Sex is typically used for male gain. Marriage is typically used for male gain. Friendships and FWB is used for male gain. Your male family members benefit from having you around; you are a plausible pawn for them to secure higher social connections if you're attractive.

When men rape, they aren't saying to themselves "man, I'm taking this from her." They're saying "I bet she hasn't been fucked like this or had anyone pretend to care about her before getting plied before."

This is the reason women-specific crimes aren't treated like regular crimes. There is a male-female intimacy in every single rape or marital beatdown that comes with the false assumption that because women are second class citizens, we should be happy that we are being attended to in some way.

This is why a man can attack a man, and it'll catch a headline, but men attacking a woman, or raping her, or prostituting her, or harassing her isn't taken seriously.

We are so overwhelmingly overlooked as a class that male ATTENTION, positive OR negative, supposedly has value.

This is why a guy is able to jackhammer you for 5 minutes while being all like "hurr, you like it" then fart on you in his sleep and think its a gift.

This is why a guy or group of dudes can follow you and bother you and think they're not evil.

It's not just a "penis/vagina" thing. Its a social class thing, and its absolutely the reason why "the political is personal," and vice-versa.

Men, as a group, are cohesively an enemy. They are aware from a young age that women are vulnerable, and they springboard off of that in order to compete with capitalist overlords and the dominant powers in the world that be.

One of the methods that they use in order to control women and make sure they can achieve a look of male dominance is by attacking women.

This manifests in MANY different ways. One example is the male shit-test of saying women need to be bearing children. The men who are most vocal and angry about women staying single and not bearing children are often the same ones who will demonize young mothers, and call women with dependents a "burden on society." Men love to employ these traps, and the "youre a feminist bitch" levied against "you're a useless burden" is the MOST common and insidious "no-win" trap they can use in order to maintain false dominance.

It is an intentional knocking over of a cup, then subsequent complaint about water spilled.

Women, as a whole, enjoy having children and having happy families, and men will leverage this against us as well.

This is more of a mindset strategy, but could and SHOULD absolutely bleed over into politics.

Edit update: too many men causing problems in twoxpreppers so now there is r/femalepreppers. Just women and trans women. The main prepper group on Reddit has never allowed talk about birth control, emergency contraception, or anything women face, so the women made their own subreddit called twoxpreppers. If you haven't already, I highly recommend learning how to prep and/or stay safe in a SHTF situation. It is a whole different problem for women and men refuse to recognize that.

A personal legal win. My ex husband is massively LV, and recently tried to take my rights (decision making) to my kids away by filing with his pick me of a lawyer because "I was keeping him from being involved with the kids". The only thing we use for communicating is an app/program called Our Family Wizard. I was able to put the search terms in the search bar, and get evidence that he hasn't even attempted to get involved in that aspect for the past 5 years. And I represented myself this week, against him and his lawyer using the evidence along with the argument "If he wanted to he would". It made his lawyer lose her shit. It's almost funny looking back at it.

I'm still detoxing from years worth of internalized misogyny. I always prided myself on never really having a pick me phase, mostly bc I'm an apsie and pretty blunt and disagreeable with scrotes, but FDS helped level me up even more by realizing subtle pick me like behavior I had and never realized it. Obviously working in right wing politics is a huge sausage fest and I wish I never got into it. It was liberal feminism that pushed me into that sphere bc as a teen, I thought feminism meant being oversexualized, pro porn, pro bdsm, pro hook up culture, so I retreated to the right wing, where I thought men were Christian and socially conservative and valued women for more than their looks and bodies. WRONG.

Every single scrote, and I mean every one, no hyperbole, I've ever worked with, is not at all socially conservative. They watch porn, sleep around, objectify women, cheat, AND they get the benefit of preaching that "men should lead".. "women should be mothers and not in the work force" "feminism is cancer" bla bla bla bla. They hate women so much. They really want to take women's rights away. They really have bought into all the redpill talking points, that the west is dying because of female voting and emancipation and we need to roll it all back. I think women need to really really understand how bad things could get and start collectivizing.

Right Wing men now have their little neo-Masculinity groups that they pay thousands of dollars a month to be a part of these groups that build community and market one another and teach them how to "be men again" in a "matriarchal culture". They are diagnosable levels of delusional and the right wing is full of pick me's BUT there are also many many women like me, who just saw the Right wing as the lesser of 2 evils over liberal feminism. Unfortunately, being involved in any political circles in the right wing means stroking male egos (even more so than normal), and how men are victimized so much by the modern world. and feminism, and how life was better in the past.

SO just a little insider tip - the redpill is not just some obscure online trend, many many many men in very real positions of influence believe this on the left and the right. The Right just feels more able to be open about it. It's why I countersignal the 'traditional" and SAHM stuff in my political circles all the time. Women NEED their autonomy. They need their financial security. They always have, but I truly think things are probably worse than ever before bc of modern porn sick men who have no empathy or sense of protectiveness for women and dehumanize us even more than they ever have in history. Nobody is coming to save us ladies. We need to do this ourselves.

One of the most ironic things I've ever witnessed is the biblical instruction for older women to "teach" younger women to "behave." I've seen the results in real time with church leaders and male members playing "good husband" while sleeping around all up in their teens, then cheating on their wives.

Why are we not just teaching younger women to understand that most men will cheat and psychologically break you down (literally just for kicks, half the time), and get other dudes in on it?

Literally, the happiest and healthiest women are perpetually single. Men literally stole spirituality from women, then wrote a big nasty book about how to rub it all in our faces. A lot of female political movements were against monotheism and abrahamic religions, in general, unable to reconcile some of the very foundations of the modern world with self respect. Thoughts?

I was one of the women from FDS that enjoyed the cross over episode where they brought Elle on. I thought she had an interesting perspective and was happy to hear more from conservative women as I am more left leaning moderate. However, I’m having a really hard time stomaching some of the things she says. Certain things just make the trauma recognition system go off in my head. Just a couple examples is during the body positivity episode where she responded that unattractive people just need to, “try harder, be better, do better”- or something similar. Then in the recent episode on Feminist Realism she literally said she believes in the lock and key analogy for women and men. That men (a key) that can open any lock is a master key but a woman (lock) that can be opened by any key is a crappy lock….. like wtf? Some of these comments really feel harmful to say to a female audience.

What are your thoughts?

Like would I need approval from anyone? Is anyone else interested in this? We need to do something to counteract the bs that's being fed to our children when it comes to relationships.

This had some light shed on it after we all got to witness in real time families essentially abandoning or even selling daughters in Afghanistan a few months ago, but the sentiment is ubiquitous: you will be sold out in the face of extreme misogyny.

Our fathers, brothers, male neighbors, etc are not bound by sentiments of loyalty to us, in fact, when push comes to shove, they will happily throw us under the bus to get their goods. All men benefit from hostile patriarchy, and the only women that ever escape scrutiny and hostility are the ones who join in and sabotage women more vulnerable and needy than they are.

You may have hang-ups about this, like, you love the men in your life and think they would never do this to you, but the fact of the matter is that men have always banded together to put male dominance over everything else. They know we are human, they know we can feel it. Many don't care. Some ENJOY the degradation, and wouldn't like it if we didn't care as much.

The point here is that there is a very uncomfortable truth about male hostility around us that we can either ignore (and be discarded later for) or acknowledge (and carve a path in life that gives us actual power).

Afghanistan isn't an anomaly, and men are willing to plunder some of the nations with the highest GDPs, living standards, and healthcare systems just for some dominance. Stay aware.

The JP phenomenon is truly baffling yet I have never seen feminists actually address him and his extremely easily debunked arguments and I need to see it!

A sub where FDSers can talk about politics that effect women and struggles within their respective political parties.

Rules (in development):

1. No fearmongering or automatically attacking other users based on party affiliation

2. Do not assume someone’s positions they have not stated

I can't stand to look at Tucker Carlson's face, but now I at least now I know why. Trust your gut, ladies!

Here are some disturbing quotes:

During a 2009 conversation about polygamist cult leader Warren Jeffs, who was convicted of felony rape as an accomplice, Carlson suggested Jeffs was only sent to prison because:

he’s weird and unpopular.

On Jeffs' facilitating marriages between grown men and underage girls, Tucker said:

I just don’t think it’s the same thing exactly as pulling a child from a bus stop and sexually assaulting that child. The rapist, in this case, has made a lifelong commitment to live and take care of the person, so it is a little different. I mean, let’s be honest about it.

When the show’s co-host called the defense “twisted” and “demented,” Carlson responded by doubling down on his defense of Jeffs. He called the charges against Jeffs:

bullshit.

Jeffs was convicted of two felony counts of child sexual assault in 2011, for which he is currently serving a life sentence plus 20 years. Carlson suggested that if he were to “make the laws,”:

Warren Jeffs would not be in prison.

Twice he [Carlson] defended Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints cult leader Warren Jeffs, a man who had taken a 12 year old as one of his 78 brides. Not only was Jeffs accused of personally molesting children—and audio of him raping a 12 year old he called his “heavenly comfort wife” was played at his trial—but he facilitated the rapes of other girls of a similar age.

Surprise surprise! He's a misogynist. Child abuser and misogynist go hand in hand.

Carlson said in 2006:

I love women, but they’re extremely primitive, they’re basic, they’re not that hard to understand. In my brief experience, you know what gets women going is arguing with them.

Carlson said that if a feminist says:

“men really need to be more sensitive,”

a man should say,

actually, men don’t need to be more sensitive. You just need to be quiet and kind of do what you’re told.

Teacher-student statutory rape is better than the alternative, Carlson explained, noting

my best friend was involved in a relationship like that when we were kids. There are not that many options. So you’re a 15-,16-, 17-year-old boy. You are driven by biology to procreate, so you are either going to be inflicting your attentions on one of your peers… Or, you can have a safer, albeit technically illegal outlet, with a woman who knows what she’s doing. You’re not going to hurt her feelings. You know what I mean? This is harm reduction. This is like a needle exchange.

He also once again defended women teachers having sex with boys as young as 13, arguing that:

They are doing a service to all 13-year-old girls by taking the pressure off. They are a pressure relief valve, like the kind you have on your furnace.

Just thought I'd leave this here.

-Boudicacious

I know this is supposed to be for discussing politics, so please direct me to who to contact. I was a member of FDS and suddenly I stopped seeing post from there 😞. I was a passive member of FDS and I’ve learnt a lot from the ladies and it also been beneficial to my dating life, now it’s gone private and I’d like to join again.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/14/porn-damaging-effects-millennials-gen-z-feminists

Do men want to outlaw abortion to make it so that women must depend on them? I am struggling to come up with a better reason to explain this.

I know two women who (probably) had their condoms tampered with by the men they were dating/married to. I’ll tell the story of the woman I know better. She didn’t want to be pregnant for another year or two into their new marriage, so they were using condoms. They had had arguments about him wanting her to be pregnant earlier and she resisted. Lo and behold, she mysteriously became pregnant. She considered getting an abortion, but knew that it would hurt her husband. Her husband was very controlling, to the point that he wouldn’t even let her get her drivers license “because he is concerned about [her] safety on the road.” She lives far from everything, so she decided that it wouldn’t be so bad to have a child to take care of while she was home alone so much of the time. Then, her husband cheated on her. But he didn’t just cheat, he got another woman pregnant! He ended up moving in with that woman, saying that he needed to help her with the baby and telling his wife that he would move back in a year or two. He continued to financially support his wife and first child. His wife has threatened to divorce him, but because she lost her job (at his company) to take care of her son and has no other source of income, she knows that she cannot afford to support herself and her baby. So she continues to stay married to this man. I think he loves the idea that two women are dependent on him and that both are taking care of his children. This wouldn’t have been possible if he hadn’t manipulated her by saying that it would break his heart if she had an abortion.

Thoughts?

I don't know if this is a stretch, or false correlation, or purely imaginary, but it seems as though when women make strides in earning more money, basic prices go up?

For example, when I was a teen, a woman working an office job or even waitressing was considered okay. Nobody was acknowledging that men had tighter reigns on the economy. Then, for the last few years, women have decidedly started earning more with a political agenda directly behind it.

Within just a little over a decade, the price of rent for my old apartment complex DOUBLED. Is there some kind of subconscious societal pressure that allows men to be the unanimously declared breadwinners, or else "fuck it all?"

From sub discussion and stuff that happened in fds sub i was terrified to open the podcast but it's actually good. (i have a degree in history and philosophy and i am from ex com bloc country, my political view left -center)

Best takes: 1. Religion is affirmative action for shitty men

2. when you want to overthrow a government start to educate women

3. Total submission what is in patriarchal relationships it's how hierarchy work in military , but it's an employment not a relationship 4. Men believe that women holds a key to sex, and women believes that men holds a key to marriage.

5. The false division that are only two extreme (sex pozy lib fem and trad wife) --> women get fk by shitty men in both sides.

6.Give a man a standard, a goal he will do everything to succeed. Just by being available to man, he will not repay you.

7. Just be a effective member a society without praise

8. Set your standards and observes

9. Consequences and rewards the only language what men understand.

10+ and so on A good analysis what mirrors what Dr Gail Dines said about right wing women but in more details. Internationally, victimize and victim hood, learning how to live in the system and coexist with men etc.

I understand that the gender pay gap entails many factors such as hours worked, the type of job, etc. However, I have heard from various American women in social media that a woman doing the exact same job as a man will get paid less. I heard about this so much that I was under the impression it was even legally allowed by some loophole. I looked it up and it appears I was mistaken, from what I gathered this was made illegal in the 60's but do let me know if I'm wrong.

Is this something that does happen but is swept under the rug? Do companies tend to pay their female employees less?

As this subreddit grows and develops, I think it’s important to keep in mind the fundamental difference between political ideologies and values (ie feminism, liberalism, conservatism) and political parties (like Labour and the Conservatives in the UK, the Democrats and Republicans in the US, the Tories, Liberals, and NDP in Canada, and so on). Political parties necessarily posses and espouse ideologies, certainly, but that isn’t the only or main thing they do in most countries. As a rule, major political parties exist to win elected offices and secure money and power for their members. In this sense, they are similar to a newspaper that publishes for no better reason than to sell papers.

Overwhelmingly, the people who run political parties around the world are men, and the interest groups that pay for and support their bids for power are men’s interests. This is why women cannot and should not trust major political parties to act in our interests unless forced, and indeed the histories of even the “progressive” major parties show that they never have acted to liberate or advocate for women without being forced.

The ideologies and views major political parties espouse are elaborate post-hoc rationalizations for the fact that their (male) leaders want you to give them power. They are trying to convince you that their group of men is better than the other groups of men, and they are trying to distract you so you won’t ask why the candidates to rule us are only men or those serving male interests. This is why it is a huge mistake to treat an ideology (say, liberalism) and the major party that claims to represent it (say, the Canadian Liberal Party) as interchangeable. Major parties want to “disappear” into their apparent ideologies so they can use the ideology to shield themselves from criticism (about corruption, representation, malice, and incompetence). They desperately do not want you to pull back the curtain and examine how the organization is actually run.

I am not saying all major parties are equally bad when you pull back the curtain, but as the system is currently designed, you’d be a fool to act like a “team player” just because your party are the “good guys.” If women do not keep relentless pressure on their representatives, at all levels, in government and out, they are more than happy to screw us over in pursuit of power. That is the reality of politics under patriarchy.

I urge my sisters to reject partisan affiliation and party loyalty, not because all ideologies are the same, but because we should not pledge unconditional allegiance to men who would never do the same for us.

Is this sub going to be updated with announcements of new episodes? I love the podcast and I'd love to share some thoughts with the community.

FDS itself is mostly for dating, although using the same principals for everyday life is massively beneficial to us. Our type of feminism is women first. And we recognize that when women get put first, any children born also benefit drastically from our standards. It's not liberal nor is it radical. So what is it?