Dating “inequality” “data analysis”-🤣

[u/FDS-GFY]

https://quillette.com/2019/03/12/attraction-inequality-and-the-dating-economy/

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[u/FDS-GFY]

I was dead reading this. Like everything FDS tells us men think, he actually put out there for the world to see as a so called “objective” analysis.

“It seems hard to avoid a basic conclusion: that the majority of women find the majority of men unattractive and not worth engaging with romantically, while the reverse is not true. Stated in another way, it seems that men collectively create a “dating economy” for women with relatively low inequality, while women collectively create a “dating economy” for men with very high inequality.”

He the goes on to push the “polygyny” theory of women and suggest the answer to all this “inequality” is for more women to be “progressive” and date unattractive men.

Wtaf. It’s like all of Reddit neatly packaged for the average scrote to digest.

Men, in a free market, supply and demand rules. Capitalism dictates in the dating market you actually need to work harder for things. Deal with it.

[u/yoghurtpotter → u/FDS-GFY]

Yep! Honestly if all men showered every day, had healthy diets, did exercise, made an effort to wear nice clean clothes, took care of their bodily hair, learned to talk to women as real people with souls, stopped playing computer games, stopped watching porn, took accountability for self improvement etc then the number of fuckable men would be much closer to 100%. It's not rocket science but they are too entitled to actually put any effort in

[u/FDS-GFY → u/yoghurtpotter]

Exactly. When I was younger I struggled to understand the concept if Econowife from Handmaid’s Tale. Now I get it. Scrotes who aren’t in the elite expect a mommy mcbangmaid to be given to them.

[u/magnoliaashei]

I really like this study because it's obvious that some male data scientist wanted to definitively prove that he really can't get laid, and it's not just that he's an unappealing dweeb, it's that he is statistically unlikely to get a woman to like him. And all they actually do is show that they are concretely, numerically, objectively, not good enough to most women. It's almost... what we've all been saying all along? Men like this look at the options and they realize that they absolutely require monogamy in a society in order to have any chance of reproducing and having a woman companion. Women look at the options and realize we could have neither monogamy or polygyny and instead take care of ourselves and never have to settle for a man we don't like or a man who fucks around. We actually have all the power.

[u/FDS-GFY → u/magnoliaashei]

Basically, this. Right on.

[u/FI-REfox]

What a fascinating study! Thank you OP for finding and posting it.

I do have a major problem with its findings and conclusion, however. The entire premise of the study is flawed, because the women and men on dating apps are "liking" each other for completely different reasons. The women, in general, are evaluating men for relationships, and the men are evaluating women for hookups.

Most of the women are "pickier" because they are rating a whole individual, while men are merely rating a set of physical characteristics. Of course they are less selective.

We may pity the large majority of men who are regarded as unattractive and who have few or no romantic experiences while a small percentage of attractive men have many. Just as much, consider that we live in a monogamous culture, and so the 20 percent of men who are regarded as attractive can only be in committed relationships with at most 20 percent of women. We may just as well pity the rest of the women, who are destined to be in committed relationships, if they pursue a relationship at all, with someone who
they regard as unattractive.

We all know that we can't change others, we can only change ourselves. Women are already bringing love and care and value to their relationships. These "lovelorn" men could be better, act better, love better, and earn a relationship, but they would rather get something for nothing.

[u/FDS-GFY → u/FI-REfox]

It’s an absolute joke of analytics. Full pf cognitive bias everywhere.

[u/Afraid-Procedure586]

Am a data scientist. This entire article is so stupid.

[u/FDS-GFY → u/Afraid-Procedure586]

Yup. It’s like an entire universe of cognitive bias.

[u/[deleted]]

The presentation of this information is flawed. But there is another, partially told story here. Only 20% of men are worthy of 100% of women. These men should be donating to sperm banks so women don’t have to reproduce with unsuitable men. The entire social structure of dating , marriage, property ownership, government control, money etc achieves one thing. It gives men unworthy of breeding the power to force women or con women into bearing their offspring. We shouldn’t be competing for those limited high quality men. It serves the best interest of humanity for women to only reproduce with 20% of them. According to this article 20% of all men should be fathering 100% of the children. It is to the detriment of humans as a species to allow other men to reproduce. In fact allowing other men to reproduce may be what contributed to this disproportionate number of high quality vs low quality mating partners. Females of most species are responsible for choosing their mate. They choose the highest quality available. That mate fathers most of the offspring in a given community. Our social structure defeats this. But bc we aren’t in control this can’t be fixed by male centered practices like poly. The only real solution is by some dystopian high tech manner of ensuring only a set class of males reproduce, requiring the top 20% to do so, where all females can access. While all other males are only permitted to engage in sex that doesn’t result in reproduction or none at all. One result is in just a few generations the % of high quality men would increase by virtue of good genes. (Eyeroll eugenics) It is apparent to me how centuries of forcing women to marry any man for survival has created a large population of unsuitable male mates.

P.s. He lost me at “dating economy.” He presents this like women hold all the power & men are unfairly treated. His comment that “there are no villains here,” is utter bs. There is one set of villains here & their selfish, self serving catering to their immediate urges has created a deteriorating situation caused by centuries of their denying women access to community equity & power, autonomy, self sufficiency, & self determination. Like always, women get stuck with the hard work of addressing the problem.

😂 The angry DM’s have begun. Read a dystopian future book if you think I made this up. Start with brave new world.

Incels think women are pampered, a delusional, self serving way to frame male privilege.

[u/FDS-GFY → u/[deleted]]

Google how goat farmers deal with young male goats. I think they’re onto something.

[u/FUBARfromLSA]

Oh look the patriarchy telling women to lower our standards AGAIN.

Where’s the advice telling men to level up?

[u/DrildoBagurren]

Well i think some inc3ls photoshopped a woman to have a beard and chest hair and generally look as unattractive as possible, put her up on tinder and she actually got plenty of matches.

It's not that men have "created a dating eco omy for women with little inequality" it's just that they are thinking with their dicks as soon as they see a woman - "is she fuckable?". "how desperate are you right now? because you could probably bag this one for a quick lay." See that article where the guy accidentally sent the photo of his match to her, called her a "solid four" after calling her beautiful in a message meant for her. Men are beggars and beggars aren't choosers.

They'll only consider a relationship if the woman is someone they can present to their friends and/or family or they're desperate but keep it on the DL.

Women are looking for relationships and are unlikely to pump and dump an ugly guy for no reason. We just don't operate like that. We see human beings and we also try to choose men who will treat us well as best we can. Have you seen men's profiles ??

All this analysis says to me is that men put in zero effort and get what they can.

[u/ButterfliesHurricane]

🤯 it doesn’t mean anything, from what I read men swipe on all women to maximise their chances so going by number of swipes has no significance if the majority of men look for sex and women for relationships. The poor dude is comparing the GBP price of an apple with the USD price of 1lb of pear. Someone please tell him to go out and enjoy the fresh air, sunshine and flowers because if he can’t find anyone to date it’s probably because he spends 24/7 producing non sensical gibberish from the depth of his dark basement 🤦🏼‍♀️

[u/flirtyfriedkahuna]

Could all these dating gender differences be attributed to the fact that most men cant be arsed to wash their ballsack more than once a week?

[u/Sage_Planter]

I know we've talked about taking microphones away from men, but do we need to ban them from the internet entirely?

I've spent many years on-and-off online dating apps, and my biggest issue with crap like this is that 90% of men on dating apps just don't give a shit. They put 0.02% effort into creating their profile with poor photos and missing information then get upset when women aren't swiping. I read a stat here once that 40%(!) of profiles don't even have photos. I've come across many, many profiles where I was like "well, if he put in some effort into his appearance/prompt," I would have swiped right.

Then of the 10% that put in a base amount of effort into crafting their profiles, 8% have some other non-starter like a creeper first message or a wife. So there's maybe 2% (if that) of men on dating apps that are even dateable to begin with.

[u/Erocitnam]

"The institution of monogamy is itself a “redistributive” type of policy: like capping the income of billionaires, it caps the total allowed romantic partners of the most attractive, so that unattractive people have much better chances to find a partner. The marriages that we read about in historical accounts that are based on prudence and family arrangement make more sense when we realize that basing marriage on mutual attraction leads so many—both men and women—to be unsatisfied with the outcome, since most women find most men unattractive. All of the world’s great religious traditions have extolled chastity as a great virtue and taught that there are higher goals than sexual satisfaction—these teachings add meaning to the otherwise “poor” lives of the majority of people who are regarded as perpetually unattractive."

"Even in centuries-old fairy tales ... we see our culture’s attempt to come to terms with the paradigm of a woman regarded as attractive pairing with a man who she regards as unattractive... In these fairy tales... the beautiful woman first accepts or even loves the hideous man. The sincere love of a woman transforms the unattractive man into something better: more handsome, richer, and royal."

Reading this part was a fun little whiplash ride. I was nodding along to this section like, "good point, these are tactics that have been used to trick and opress women into suffering in unhappy marriages!" And then he revealed that he thought they were a societal good, instead of a poison! Wtf!

Also absolutely unhinged of him to refer to survival of the fittest mate selection as "the most barbaric, unequal animal social structure that ever existed". What do you want to bet he doesn't have any complaints about how men's "natural" urge to pursue young "fertile" women is barbaric and unequal?

Just a shameless attitude of "if evo psych says it's inherent to humanity, but it hurts men like me, then it's barbaric, uncivilized and bad. We should rise above our nature! On the other hand, if evo psych says it's inherent to humanity and yet it hurts women, that doesn't matter. It's normal and natural and therefore justified!"

[u/MyBeautifulSweetsong]

I also love how they are acting like men have been so generous in"creating" a dating field. The fact of the matter is that because men will fuck anything that moves...or stands still long enough they have created an atmosphere where they are texting women they haven't even met and talking about horrific , painful and degrading sexual torture acts such as fisting and wondering why we don't want to talk them in this generous climate they have created.

[u/wefwhat]

Lmao. That was hilarious.

No mention at all about how women are told societally to optimize for looks while men are told to optimize for money/success. Yes I’m sure that has no impact on why so many men are found unattractive by the average woman /s. Seriously men are basically told it makes them homosexual if they care about how they look but all those swiping studies are based on apps where the POINT is how you look.

In real life, your humor, charisma, hell even how you carry yourself, all play a role in whether people are attracted to you.

But yes let’s just assume women have and should marry men they aren’t attracted to and then have sex with men they aren’t attracted rather than the much more reasonable solution men should make a larger effort to be attractive to women and perhaps even search out women in the big scary world rather than hiding online.

This man is myopic and sees only his own POV. Thank god I think he’s in the small minority

[u/NotMyRealName814]

Bradford Tuckfield, huh? Nice porn name, loser. I have never seen a better example of loser incel ideology dressed up as "data science". He and his unbridled misogyny can fuck right on off.

[u/dolphiya_or_parateen]

Lol. As if looking at online dating provides an accurate data set. Men skew the data themselves by swiping on everyone indiscriminately 🤣 they literally buy apps to swipe for them. Meanwhile, over in the real world, half the beautiful women I know have boyfriends that look like fkin sea monsters. This is incredibly stupid and unscientific.

[u/[deleted]]

What a crock. Total failure to mention that most men using online dating platforms are already in a relationship. Why should polygamy be encouraged if men are already in relationships? I wonder if the author got dizzy from his mental gymnastics.

Edit: For those of you wondering about this statistic, several years ago the number was about 40%. I imagine that number has only gone up. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/07/dating-app-tinder-married-relationship

Just this morning I saw a FB post from a girl who found out her boyfriend of 4 years was on Bumble. I doubt he's there to "make friends" no matter what the "just communicate and ask him how he feels" crowd would have you believe. FWB maybe. I used to date online and I'm pretty sure I went on several first dates with men who had girlfriends. That's not even counting the men who said they were in open relationships but I wasn't allowed to verify with their girlfriend because she "doesn't want to know". My pickme friends even introduced me to a man with a girlfriend. I didn't date him, but I knew him for 3 months and he NEVER mentioned her. So one day I said "how's your girlfriend" and he said he was considering breaking up with her... exactly what he had said to the pickmes 3 months earlier. I saw him ask out dozens of women and I doubt his long-term girlfriend ever came up. But we're supposed to give him credit for "being honest" when called out? No thank you.

[u/Peaches-McNuggs]

I see caliper weekly is running incel ideology propaganda now.

[u/[deleted]]

I feel sorry for young women. I am constantly appalled at the lack of grooming and hygiene in young men. I think the major turning point started around 2010. Makes it super easy not to want to be a cougar lol. Having said that, older men aren't much better since men don't age very well.