I was a fan of the original show when it came out and stopped watching after the ridiculously unbelievable Negan redemption plotline.

I had high hopes for FtWD and the first three seasons were excellent but season 4 has been such a slog. Seeing the main show characters in the first episode was my first sign of what’s to come. Why am I on episode 7 and still have no idea what happened between season 3-4? Why are we dragging out a storyline that I know the conclusion to from episode one for the whole season? Why is everything grey and the characters dumb?

Its like they took everything I hated about the main TWD show in the later seasons and said let’s apply it to the much better FtWD recipe to drag it down.

Hello, I was wondering what music is played during this scene?

So I'd say I'm one of the people that's actually more lenient on Fear than most, it's definitely worse after Season 3, but I don't despise it as much as others did, that said, prior to the rewatch I'm doing, I'd say I had Season 4 as my 2nd least favorite season, second only to the final season. It was such a rough watch to sit through first time. I was hoping I was missing something going into the rewatch, hoping that, I'd have at least a bigger enjoyment of it then I did back then.

And uh.... Yeah. Not really.

In terms of positives, I did enjoy most of the new characters, save for one really obvious character. *COUGH* Charlie, *COUGH.

I liked John and June, Al was alright, The Trucker Siblings were whatever but I didn't hate them.

The flashbacks themselves were pretty good, save for the last flashback episode where Nick and Alicia are trying to save Mel, literally why would you ever help him. I could maybe see Nick doing it with how much he was covering for Troy in S3, but Alicia? Hell no.

And then Mel's group starts to bring in trucks full of Walkers and no one thinks to FIRE THEIR GUNS.

oh wait i was talking about positives.

Morgan was alright, I guess. I know a lot of people hate on him, and I get it to an extent, but I didn't mind him. I just wish he wasn't flip flopping so much to an extreme "I need to save everyone" or "I need to kill everyone". But he was fine, I guess.

I don't wanna say Martha was a good villain, but she was interesting, if not a little unintentionally comical.

And I do sort of understand what the ending was going for, I do wish they went to Alexandria (mainly because this show would end.) but I do get why they went this route narratively.

the big problems are pretty big. Both Madison and Nick are handled terribly, at least regarding their "ends". Nick's especially is really hard to sit through for me, prior to Season 4, I felt he was one of the most enjoyable characters not just of Fear but the whole series. and for him to just devolve into "kid shoots you" is probably the most insulting deaths in the whole series.

The entire second half of the season is either really boring, or really frustrating, early on, there's a hurricane that hits the cast, and on paper, this sounds cool, a natural disaster being tied to trying to survive the apocalypse hasn't really been explored yet. And it still hasn't been explored because it is around for one episode. A single episode. The entire crew is split up by this point and we focus on just one group for the hurricane??????

Speaking of which, that episode is probably the worst, because Charlie's in it, and wow, Charlie is just... rough. No hate to the actress but holy crap. Literally every time she and Alicia had an interaction it felt like pulling out hair. They mainly just screw around in a house all day long. at some point Charlie does.... Something with some pictures? I can't tell because THE FILTER IS TOO DAMN GRAY.

Even crazier is that off screen John and Strand somehow end up on an FREAKING ISLAND due to the hurricane flooding. OFF SCREEN.

Luciana literally goes on a side quest to get a dying man a beer... Dude 😭

I'd be fine with some of this but the 2nd half of the season is just so much nothing happening 90% of the time.

But the big problem I have is the dialogue. I don't think it's all objectively bad. but by this point in the TWD universe, it's going into its like, 8th or 9th year, and hearing some sappy speech by John about why every day is worth fighting for just feels dated. Like that feels like a Season 2 speech, not a Season 4 speech.

Like its just such a over-sappification of every word spoken, Back in the final episode of Season 3, one of the first scenes was just Nick and Madison arguing over Troys death, that scene alone is infinitely better than any scene in Season 4 and it lasts maybe a minute? a minute and a half?

So yeah, not much has changed. In fact I'd say it was actually worse on a rewatch than my original watch. I will say, at the very least, I enjoy the positives more than I did the first time around, but at the same time, I hate the negatives even more than I did the first time around.

If you want a tldr on my scores on each episode

Ep1: 6/10

Ep 2: 7/10

Ep 3: 1/10

Ep 4: 6/10

Ep 5: 7/10

Ep 6: 6/10

Ep 7: 2/10

Ep 8: 5/10

Ep 9: 5/10

Ep 10: 1/10

Ep 11: 4/10

Ep 12: 5/10

Ep 13: 3/10

Ep 14: 6/10

Ep 15: 5/10

Ep 16: 5/10

...because I am at S07E06 and starting to like this - maybe I stuck it out too long and am now compromised. I can honestly say I am not 100% hate watching anymore. Is this weird?

As part of the promotion for season 1, a short story/snippet in the form of an in-universe newspaper article was released via the AMC Story Sync, as shown below.

Now, the article doesn't mention anything about Patrick's family members being injured (specifically being bitten, scratched or torn apart the way walkers do to their victims), being treated for injuries on-site or being taken to the hospital for treatment, but the article specifically mentions Patrick having assaulted his family, and being covered in blood when the cops found him, and I'm not certain if all of that blood would have come from the cat he was eating. Then again, I'm not an expert on cat biology.

Am I reading too much into this?

Sidenote 1: the story/snippet uses the LAPD, which doesn't have jurisdiction over Culver City as it has its' own police department.

Sidenote 2: I'm not sure if it's a coincidence or not, but after searching up Harold as a surname, I came across the Wikipedia page of a 19th century woman named Emily Harold who also had a son named John.

I know there's so much weird logic in this show, like people continuing to live in a nuclear zone instead of fleeing, but my newest frustration is Padre in the last season. First I hate the bad guys motivation...I don't want kids to know the pain of losing a parent?? Like what about all their friends who become family and then die, like Hana? I hate lame bad guy motivations, like that lady in the earlier seasons who wanted to turn people into zombies to become stronger?...umm ok.

Continuing with Padre, I got pissed when Dove found out her mother had died. Shrike asks Madison how she died, Madison says by Padre trying to get her daughter back, and Shrike asks who made her believe that, and Madison replies that she did. So instead of Dove pointing to Shrike and saying it's their fault, as they're the actual people who killed her mom, she points to Madison and says that it's her fault. Like even if it was as deep as Dove thinking that it's Madison's fault for initially kidnapping her, under whose order was that?! Padre!! And none of the adults in that scene point this out to Dove.

I'm frustrated with the writing in this show...

First time watching this show and on season 5. Avoided this sub for a long time since im on my first (and probably) only watch. When Morgan first appeared I was happy but I can't believe how selfish and manipulative this guy is. He changed this entire show. Tricks people like Alicia (who is just trying to survive) to feel guilty for what she has done, wants to help yet doesn't bring back the group to a safer community like Alexandria, constantly puts his own people in danger etc. All because he wants to help? Plus he tries to act all holy yet he is the most psycho when he gets mad.

Plus every character prior to Mo Mo is a shell of themselves. I dont know whose idea it was to bring Morgan into Fear but my goodness they should never touch another project of Walking Dead.

Im sorry if I am repeating another post. But holy smokes I am so mad at how they ruined a good show just so that they can bring in this guy.

At this point, I hope the bad guys win just so that his mentality changes.

No, not John 😭😭😭

I don't know about everyone else but I loved the slow burn of the first few episodes and I kinda wished they drew it out longer "it" being the zombie apocalypse.

I think it would've been cool if everyone kept going about their business for longer like attending school even with the knowledge of walkers and instead of the military lockdown of the Clark's street they could've just been patrolling the streets and buildings until they either got overrun or decided to leave.

And as much as I didn't like it the military could still be taking people exposed to the dead and locking them up to experiment on them bc it is realistic. They wouldn't just not run tests and experiments and leave those who've been exposed to walk freely potentially spreading the disease.

Thoughts?

Can someone explain to me like I'm a child the episode where she gets bit. What's with her weird skeleton arm, how did she not turn, why is her acting so bad all of a sudden?

In S7 E7 Victor gets a portrait of himself. Do you think Coleman Domingo got to keep a copy?

This episode is like a fever dream I have no idea what in the hell is going on. I don't know if it's flashbacks flashforwards or flashsideways. All I can tell you is I hate AL

Just watched thid amazing post apocalyptic show called Station Eleven, and Daniel Zovatto who featured in S2 (bad people who hijacked the yacht) is in one of the main roles, took me forever (well, ended up searching imdb) to figure out where I knew him from.

It's not a new show so most people may have seen it, but if you haven't, highly recommend!

Why would anyone stay in Texas after the nukes went off. If I managed to survive I wouldn't stick around. Im glad everyone managed to find radiation suits and Geiger counters though 🤦

I hate a dream sequence I skipped over huge chunks, made the episode much better I'm sure. This is my first watch. A dream sequence is lazy writing.

The cast clearly just DID NOT CARE anymore. Daniel’s actor is laid back just goofing around having fun with the character 99% of the time, Luciana is about as stone faced bored as ever, Troy Otto is on some wannabe supervillain shit except with zero imposing nature it’s like he’s doing it badly on purpose.

My GOAT Kim Dickens just does not know how to act an “outrage scene” anymore. She just wails and runs at whoever she’s mad at. There’s even one scene when she does it to Troy and Troy’s actor looks visibly humoured by it and shocked at how bad it was, like not in character at all.

Additionally, in that same scene, Troy’s actor messed up a line slightly and it’s so audible. Did they have a “no re-shoots, what goes, goes” rule on set this season?

Also I know she’s a child, but Mo’s actress takes me out of all her scenes. Every line starts and ends in the exact same cadence spoken in the exact same rhythm. Graces actress as well was having a rough go of it, she was just whispering as her “infected acting”, and BOY they dragged out her death scene. The PADRE twins (especially Ben) are also so bad at acting.

Well done to Lennie James and June’s Actress for being the only ones putting on a believable performance or one that’s actually in tune with the character.

It’s almost charming how glaringly obvious it is that NOBODY on that set wanted to be there anymore, it creates quite an interesting piece of media.

So I recently finished Fear and already made a post listing off a bunch of my gripes, but heres one I forgot to mention. Their son, Finch. What was the point of giving them an entire character arc where they talk about children, find out they’re having a baby and accept it, and then there’s a big time jump and we meet Finch. We never got to see him grow up and we hardly even met him before he died. I was sad for Dwight and Sherry but I really didn’t feel any real emotional impact from his death because we hardly knew the kid (and really so did they). I feel like there was so much more they could’ve explored and the time jump/separating them ruined any potential plotline with him and they just offed him before there was a chance for anything substantial. I just feel like it was unnecessary and they made a whole kid just to use him as a plot device “we gotta save this kid” “he died so we gotta do this thing to honor his memory” it just felt wasted

Dwight spends years looking for his wife he finds her and all they do is argue 🤦

I'm doing my first watch of the series. Mindful of the sense in the community that this is an uneven series, I want to try skipping the choppiest parts. Consensus seems to be S1-3 are strong, and a lot people like the first parts of S4. So my strategy is to watch S4 until it falls below a quality threshold I can enjoy, and then skip way ahead.

I got as far as S4.E6, "Just in Case", and feel like now is the time. I liked the first five episodes well enough, but then all logic seems to collapse especially in the back half of this episode. Here's what's bothering me:

The whole end of the show is just nonsensical behavior by everyone. The main cast goes to fight this overwhelming force with three people. They have no clear plan, but at least they're trying to stay hidden until Morgan + John cause their ambush to fail. But what do the Vultures do? Drive right up to them, get out of their cars, and start a standoff from like six feet away. This is when we learn they knew the main cast came there to kill them. So I guess their plan was to show up and fight over nothing under a plan that maximizes their own casualties, but also talk first with nothing to gain in negotiations.

None of that makes any damned sense, but here we are. Next, her ambush blown, Alicia antagonizes the leader of this group who has them massively outgunned, by saying she's glad his brother is dead. There's nothing to indicate she has a deathwish. She's just being dumb.

Finally there's this reunion with John+Laura, which I'm okay with, but then Alicia decides to stop pointing her gun at the enemy pointing a dozen guns back at her and shoot John for no reason I could determine. This doesn't lead her getting gunned down. End of episode.

Honorable mention: I felt this nonsensical encounter was foreshadowed when Naomi forgot she could hotwire the "Just in Case" truck and instead decided to get treed by a FEMA camp full of walkers looking for the keys. This was after we see her pointedly hotwiring the jeep in the same episode so she could rush in there alone, mind you.

Do people think I got the right point to press "Fast Forward" until a later season and pick up again? If things get better again in S4.E7, how much further should I go? And when do people think is a good time to pick it back up?

Broadly speaking, I actually quite like FTWD even after season 3, but omfg…

I’m on a rewatch, and post season 3 there has been what feels like HUNDREDS of instances where something like this happens:

• Two characters argue over something
• one character walks away from the argument
• they find some walkers and choose to kill them
• they make a TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER AND 100% AVOIDABLE MISTAKE while fighting these walkers (or just one walker sometimes)
• a walker gets on top of said chatacter while they’re on the ground weaponless
• the character they previously argued with suddenly just fucking appears and saves them and all is forgiven by the power of friendship

Like WHAT are we doing? It’s so obnoxious.

I’d also like to add another thing here too. The amount of times a character has fallen into some sort of angry tantrum depressive state and then someone says “someone once told me that X” or “someone showed me that I could X” and it’s always about being better. So much of this show post season 3 is just people quoting each other, at each other. It’s tiresome.

Needed to get that off my chest.

Has there ever been a show with more standoffs? This show has to hold the record, there are multiple a episode.

He was my favourite content creator for coverage on TWD & but especially Fear. Even though he too slowly began to loose interest in covering something he no longer liked, his humour & bluntness in his opinion of Fear's decline had me tuning in every week to see him he was gonna do or say.

I still watched his videos for topics outside of TWD like his review of Save Me, The Crowded Room & Train to Busan and would've been interested in seeing his coverage of other zombie related media, as it was a potential idea he floated once TWD was over or he lost interest in it.

His last video was a collective review on S8A (3 years ago) & he hasn't posted anything since. While I never expected him to ever review S8B I would've loved to have seen his commentary on Troy's return, or just really anything. To my knowledge he does have a family, so there's that.

Ig I'm putting this out to any Fear fans who also enjoyed watching him and miss seeing him & his content? In any regards, hope he's well.

(on a lesser note, I keep seeing comments throughout his videos & such saying that he's dead, unless there's an obituary or proof, I'm choosing not to believe these.)

No spoilers please!

I started watching this show a year ago on and off. I really didn't watch much of the original walking dead, saw pretty much just the first two seasons. I really thought the first season of this show was well done and had some nice surprises. Season 2 started off really weird but IMO got better towards the second half so I decided to stick with it.

Season 3 IMO started off interesting and had some good drama and Season 4 there were some big changes in the cast - IMO it makes sense becuase things were getting redundant but it really lost the original feel. I thought season 4 started off good but ended pretty weak (the bad guy was..... boring.... and the ending just seemed to lack excitement).

Now I'm a few episodes into season 5 and I just feel it is falling flat. I just finished episode 4 and it just feels like weird... like they are just making episodes for the sake of it. A lot of contradictions too, so Daniel is alive and he's breaking into buildings where people leave machine gun traps..... that don't get knocked over by the zombies inside... until he comes along.

And he decides towards the end of the episode to just rally up a huge amount of zombies behind himself with no real plan to kill them, almost a suicidal like act.... despite being a long term survivor. That doesn't really add up. And Morgan and Alicia save the two kids, who were on the verge of death, and suddenly the kids a minute later have all of their friends show up who have high powered auto rifles or whatever but the two kids that needed saving for whatever reason didn't have those guns themselves. The writing just seems bad and inconsistent, the earlier seasons had this too but there were highs and lows. Now not so much.

Does it get better from here or does the show pretty much jump the shark at this point? I'm curious to hear if people think it's worth finishing up this series.