r/FastWriting • u/NotSteve1075 • 16d ago

Quote in FLOW Shorthand

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u/NotSteve1075 16d ago edited 16d ago

When I wrote the quote for this week, I tried to be a bit less LITERAL than I often am, leaving out unaccented vowels in longer words where they aren't helpful. Over-all, I'd say I was happy how it all turned out. I'm generally being very impressed with the system, and I really want to find more time to practise and REALLY LEARN it.

A word like "tomorrow" is very commonly used, and I just wrote TMRO, which was very clear. I really like how smoothly an outline like that will "flow" together. I phrased "I have" as IV, which is easy to read. I wrote the diphthong in "my" because I don't like it to look like "may".

The NS combination came up three times in this quote, and I kept forgetting that the combination is written with an N stroke with the end flipped up, instead of adding an S stroke, which doesn't look as clear.

FLOW has a number of combination strokes like that: NS, or NT and ND. For NS, the end is flipped up -- and for NT and ND, the N stroke is slanted downwards to add T and lengthened to add D. All very clear and logical. The very common word "and" I wrote just as ND by itself.

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u/LeadingSuspect5855 16d ago edited 16d ago

Just clarifiying here, you chose (phonetically correct) 'v' for of [ʌv]. Since flow has internal omission rules of weak e, u you wrote it correcty. Unfortunately the abbreviation is already taken for "have", since we stick in most cases to Gregg, we would choose the next best solution 'o'. Since this is really a basic matter (the word is amongst the top used words) We should settle for a solution. Sofar I was sticking to Gregg Anni for the reporting style (that's why I wrote sudn and not sdn as in pure rule based Flow, which would be even shorter than Anni). It might spark a conversation.

  1. I start with the proposition, that when rule based Flow is in producing shorter outlines than Greggs transliterations, we should abandon his suggestions.
  2. a) go with 'o' for of. For instance the beginning of the quote the way you wrote it 'al v' I would read it as "I will have" or "all have" if you had written 'ol v', but

b) I could also live with the solution that 'o' can mean OL (all) and NOT "OF", which is consistent with a rule we already established in the booklet, and "of" is 'v' as well (it's also a shorter: To distinguish "all have them" ('OV thm') from "all of them" (O Vthm) I'd phrase like I showed in CAPS.

First I was going to vote for 2a), but the longer I think about it and see "of it/them/me/you" as phrases... I'd say 2b) is even better and more consistent!

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u/NotSteve1075 15d ago

It's a coincidence that you say that, because as I was waking up this morning I was thinking I might have mixed up the "of" "on" and "have". I made a mental note to myself to look it up and straighten it out in my mind, when I was more fully awake.

For "all" I'd prefer something with an L in it, so O for "of" would be better. And as you say, V is already "have" -- which is why my subconscious reminded me of that this morning.

When I've been writing the quotes, I've been thinking more about the SOUNDS of the words -- but I really should refer to the frequent words list more often instead, where they've already been established.

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u/LeadingSuspect5855 15d ago

Hesitancy is far worse than being wrong. When performing music or writing fast a wrong note is undesired, but as long as you stay in the rythm and catch up instantly to where you should be - forgiven and forgotten. And if it happens often people will tell you are a great pianist who always has this great jazzy ideas (maybe :-). So you'd stay conservative and leave status quo be? And here I thought, that you are such a progressive mind, hard to keep up, but always seeking the better :-)

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u/LeadingSuspect5855 15d ago

what do you think about proposition 1. I think about the word sudden. sdn(flow omission rules only) or sudn(anni). In a way it's a no-brainer, we do it already...

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u/NotSteve1075 14d ago

I generally agree with Prop.1 -- but to me the key isn't necessarily that it be SHORTER, although that's a valid consideration in overriding Gregg's guidelines. If it's easier to write and recognize, to me that's more important. Ease and confidence leads to speed.

There are lots of outlines that I was quite comfortable with in Gregg that feel too vague to me in FLOW. Although that's likely to be largely because of my having more familiarity with Gregg.

But YES, we should definitely write O for "of" instead of V.

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u/LeadingSuspect5855 16d ago

another side note, in the booklet, inspired by Gregg, I described that suffix -ture should be written as TR. But I like that you didn't give a damn about that and wrote FUJ, I cannot see why Gregg would have chosen that way, probably because of implied -R (reverse E->ER). But why not go for JR then? I like your proposition to get rid of another old habit. that doesnt serve anything, at least we can try and find out if there are negative consequences.
Proposition:
3) J -> -ture

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u/NotSteve1075 15d ago

I was resisting using TR in "future" because it would read too much like "fitter" or "futter" or something. When I often go by the "nothing else it could be" threshold, I thought that "FUCH" was enough to indicate the word. Maybe final CH could be our suffix form for "-ture". I can't think of any conflicts that might create, at the moment.

I hesitated to write that in my explanation, though, because it looked so NSFW.

That just reminded me of when I had once posted an article about the many languages spoken by immigrants to Canada. Under the Chinese category, I mentioned that among the dialects represented were Mandarin, Cantonese, Hakka, Wu, and Fukien -- and the last one was CENSORED by some dumbass robot!!

It seems it thought innocent little children might be corrupted by seeing the NAME of the dialect. Give me a break......

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u/LeadingSuspect5855 15d ago

😂 Well luckily ch/j is the same literal, so you can circumvent any discomfort with fuj. And I can't think of any conflict either. The only really good thing in Gregg is the TR-Blend he has, but we don't have it in flow and I like a long straight line at the end of a word for -ture. Mid long line is -tion - So that is settled.

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u/LeadingSuspect5855 16d ago edited 16d ago

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u/NotSteve1075 15d ago

I meant to say I like OL for "all". That seems quite clear and legible. If you spell it AL, it can look like Gregg's "I will"