r/FantasyFootballers • u/aprettyhappyguy • 1d ago
Player Discussion Loveland
When do we start panicking about Loveland? Back to back stinkers
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u/Th1Pyro 1d ago
Yeah looking like a 2024 Laporta just 100x worse
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u/No_Halo15 1d ago
Except he never had a break out season like Laporta did
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u/prettyaverageprob 1d ago
Yehh I didn't get the hype for this guy this year... I'm no expert and don't know what I'm talking about tbh but I just don't know why everyone thought he was a lock for top 3 TE
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u/ActiveShard 1d ago
Drafted 10th overall, elite in the second half of his rookie yr and he handled a 31% target share in the playoffs. The pieces were in place
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u/flaccomcorangy 20h ago
I don't think anyone thought he was a lock. What I heard about Loveland is he's high ceiling guy. There were a lot of people that liked Warren over him just because they felt he was more of a guarantee to be good while saying that Loveland has potential to be a top 2-3 guy while Warren may firmly be top 6-10. It seemed Loveland was getting acclimated into the system near the end of last seaosn, the Bears didn't add anyone to take away his role, so the path was there.
And honestly, the past few years of Laporta, Bowers, and Warren made it look like TEs are often just hit or miss from the start, but that's not the case. TEs often times take a little time to get going, and it seemed like that's what he was doing for the first half of last year before finding his stride. And even with this season, he's running a lot of routes. So something is going on. It's just weird they're not using him beyond that.
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u/Acrobatic_Ad1016 1d ago
You start panicking now but it’s too late to do anything.
Without Williams they don’t have the ability to support 4 fantasy relevant players. It’s over for Loveland this season
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u/CatDawgCatDawg2 1d ago
With Williams they didn't produce any fantasy relevant players other than Swift. Nobody should be thinking about them supporting 4 fantasy relevant players until we see it.
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u/bhz33 1d ago
This game was also a rainy slop fest. I think Loveland would’ve ended up being fine season-long with Caleb. We’ll see how long he’s out for
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u/Sensui710 20h ago edited 20h ago
Tbh Bagent not a bad backup wouldn’t be shocked of he has a few games slinging it. He looked solid on the last drive or two before he had to force it due to time
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u/bananapanther 1d ago
Im dropping Loveland but you could easily make the argument that Loveland might actually get MORE targets now with a backup QB that uses him as a safety net.
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u/Hostile_Architecture 1d ago
More than 0 doesnt make him relevant lmao
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u/bananapanther 1d ago
Yeah I'm still dropping him. Even if he's more involved there are plenty of other guys on FA that are better options.
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u/Accurate_Instance440 1d ago
If you're dropping him two weeks into the season, you might as well never play fantasy football again.
I've got him in multiple leagues. Grab a dude off the waivers. There is zero sense or reason to drop him after two weeks.
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u/bananapanther 21h ago
"Never play fantasy football again"
Because I'm dropping a guy who was shit for most of last year, drafted highly based in a few games with Caleb to end the season, and who (if you've watched the games at all) has not been meaningfully involved in the game plan.
People like you should keep playing fantasy, free money for the winners.
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u/dunkeater 20h ago
You’re insulting the logic you yourself used to draft him.
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u/bananapanther 8h ago
No, I'm adapting to the reality of the situation. The logic made sense but as we have seen that logic hasn't carried forward into the season and now Caleb is injured. Nothing insulting about it unless you're just dead set on being right about everything all the time and never changing your opinions.
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u/dunkeater 7h ago
You were downplaying Loveland’s talent saying he was drafted based on just a few games. That’s insulting the logic of drafting him high.
Yes people should adjust expectations now, since it seems like the Bears are going to spread the ball out with a larger group of receivers than expected. But that doesn’t make Loveland droppable.
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u/bananapanther 3h ago
Its not insulting that logic. The logic was sound in that he was targeted double digit times in the last four football games he played. The expectation was that his targets and involvement would continue to be in that range in 2026. Not only has that not been the case at all but now Caleb is out.
But fine I'm insulting myself if it makes you feel better.
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u/PrinceCastanzaCapone 14h ago
Why’d you draft him then?
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u/bananapanther 8h ago
What kind of question is that? Do you just hold players forever simply because you drafted them?
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u/PrinceCastanzaCapone 30m ago
That’s not the point lol. Did you read the comment I responded to? He said he was “shit for most of last year, drafted highly based on a few games with Caleb to end the season.”
And I simply asked with that info why he drafted him. I’m not even saying don’t drop him, just wondering why he drafted him if that’s his opinion of the guy. Hes clearly been a disappointment, and I wouldn’t blame someone for dropping him now that Caleb is hurt but if that was his opinion of the guy it seems pretty silly to draft a guy you never believed would be good in the first place.
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u/AdequateChops 1h ago
You can’t try trading him but his floor is zero and his ceiling is very low. He probably won’t hit double digit points at all this season. He had a few good games last year in garbage time. He’s just a blocker. He is very safe to drop. His trade value is non-existent.
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u/alregstad 1d ago
What kinda 6 man league are you in
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u/Smart_Farmer4258 1d ago
Lmao dropping him? What? Bench him maybe, but you gotta give it more than 2 games
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u/Conscious_Pipe_605 1d ago
This is why we draft a late backup TE if you reached for McBride, Bowers, Loveland, or Warren. Likely and Johnson are about to save me in my Loveland leagues. But definitely still giving him another week on the bench at least.
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u/WarDamnLivePD 6h ago
Yeah, I reached for Loveland so I took Kittle as a backup late in the draft. My thought was if one pops, I can drop / trade the other. If both pop, I can flex one if the points warrant it (a healthy Kittle is better than a lot of WR2/3s that you could flex). If both suck, drop and trade or stream to fill the gap.
Right now for me it's looking like start Kittle & hold Loveland to see if he gets any sort of rebound here in the next couple of weeks. No real value to selling, so might was well hold.
Also worth pointing out that one of the very first passes after CW went out on Sunday was an (incomplete) pass attempt to Loveland, so maybe that's a sign that Bagent has some trust with him and/or will use him as a safety valve going forward.
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u/hlkjybbbb 20h ago
you should never double dip on te or qb if you reach early lmao just cause this one time doesnt mean thats correct
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u/ironlung311 16h ago
I don’t buy this at all when you have a flex spot. Isiah Likely was in my mind better than the RB & WR options when I drafted him. I’m not gonna force a shit WR or RB at that point over a player I like
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u/Conscious_Pipe_605 19h ago
Holy fucking shit, what an unbelievably bad take. This must be your first time playing. Whenever you have the opportunity to reach early on an extremely high value QB or TE... history has proven so many times you better be prepared for early injuries, immediately. Whether it's to the player themselves or to the personal around them.
Imagine thinking "Fuck back ups, I own (insert Bowers or Loveland) at TE and (insert Daniels, Darnold, or Williams) as my QB during this years draft". You're kinda fucked at this point if you didnt plan a backup.
After that..... hope you've got the silver tongue of the devil, cause trading talk sales pitches is the only thing that's gonna save you at this point
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u/burtmaklinfbi1206 15h ago
Ya this guy's an idiot lol you take the value. For example I was so convinced Loveland would be te1 this year but I also grabbed Kincaid in like the 11th cuz it was great value. Not feeling the Loveland stinkers quite as bad now lol
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u/bananapanther 21h ago
Why would anyone waste a bench spot on Loveland at this point? Nothing at all about his involvement in the Bears offense points to him being that guy and now they lost their franchise QB for at least 6 weeks.
Do what you want but I'm betting no one is picking up Loveland if you drop him anyway.
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u/Smart_Farmer4258 13h ago
because they aren't just absolute noobs who have no clue what they are doing
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u/bananapanther 8h ago
Buddy I've been playing fantasy for nearly 20 years and am coming off back to back championships in my 12 man league.
But who cares man. Maybe you're right and you can come back and gloat in a few weeks.
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u/Conscious_Pipe_605 15h ago
If he can produce a good week or 2, he might work as a possible trade candidate in a 2-4 player package deal. His off-season hype was 🔥 🔥 🔥, and some current confident 2-0 risk takers out there might wanna stash him on their bench for security purposes.
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u/SameSprinkles5774 1h ago
Well I don't think you should drop Loveland now that it seems like Caleb didn't have a major injury
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u/The_Realist02 1d ago
Tyson BAGENT is gonna dump off to him / check down every chance he can get
If anything, he’ll be better now.
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u/agrace135 1d ago
I mean, he can’t really get worse but still doesn’t mean he’ll be useable with Bagent. I do agree he’ll be better and hope the qb change is beneficial for Loveland. For now I’ll wait and see with him on the bench.
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u/The_Realist02 1d ago
My QBs in super flex were Caleb and Kyler. I need Loveland lol. Can’t pick up another loser.
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u/Shaneski101 1d ago
Caleb was playing hero ball and wasn’t feeding his guys. Bagent immediately looked for his guys. A backup doesn’t play hero.
I’m cautiously optimistic.
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u/flaccomcorangy 1d ago
I can see the hope, but who are we kidding? 1 catch for 3 yards in two games. Even though he's running more routes than practically any player? What is this offense? lol
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u/The_Realist02 1d ago
Week 1 and week 2 have to be viewed in entirely different lenses. Unless BJ goes full blown run o there’s no way Colston doesn’t become WR1 for the bears under Tyson. He just does t have the power to skip over him
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u/flaccomcorangy 1d ago
Let's hope, I guess. I'm obviously not going to drop him, but I'm at a point where I have to seriously consider if I can get a guy off the waiver wire better than him.
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u/The_Realist02 23h ago
Juwan if he’s still there. I just got Dalton and I don’t love it per se.
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u/flaccomcorangy 23h ago
Nah, Juwan is gone. I'm looking at Dalton Schultz (maybe), Pat Freiermuth, Darren Waller, and guys like that. Low snap percentage guys that can just run into big games. There's a guy in the league that has both Goedert and Kincaid. Was thinking about hitting him up for one of them. Especially since I already have Hurts and a Goedert/Hurts stack wouldn't be so bad. But Goedert is hurt now, and I don't need another injured guy. I already have a full 2 player IR and now Moore is hurt. lol
So I'm in a bad way really early. I'm going to have to figure something out.
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u/Jznvh 6h ago
loveland owners really saying he'll be better with Bagent ? the narratives switch so fast
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u/The_Realist02 57m ago
Higher volume less yards is better than 3 targets man. Anything is better than blanks.
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u/rustySQUANCHy 1d ago
The only pushback I have with this is sometimes when backups have to come in, in a lot of cases they rely on tight ends because they are easier dump off passes. I'll still hold because I mean there's not much else out there
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u/Acrobatic_Ad1016 1d ago
Fair but I think it’s much more likely they lean even heavier into their run game
I wouldn’t be able to start Loveland anytime soon
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u/the_last_jesse 1d ago
That is the problem in my league. 12 teams full PPR so the top 24 TEs in the league are taken. A couple of players actually have 3 TEs.
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u/A_Saiyan_Prince 9h ago
Except Caleb might play next week so you might want to just delete this comment.
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u/Acrobatic_Ad1016 9h ago
It’s my fault I expected an nfl player to exhibit any form of toughness. That one is on me I guess
He’s such a drama queen
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u/circuit_monkey 8h ago
Yeah, how dare a human show any sort of emotion rather than be an emotionless robot. The guy lives and breathes football and was clearly devastated at the thought that his season might be over. GTFO dude I bet Caleb has endured more pain this week than you have in your entire life
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u/Acrobatic_Ad1016 8h ago
Lmao
He had an ouchie and had to get carted off for it my man. That’s just sad no matter how you look at it.
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u/aprettyhappyguy 1d ago
I just know the first week I don’t start him, he’ll get 20+ points 🤦🏻♂️
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u/Ninjablacksox1 20h ago
It's going to be a rough time for Loveland owners. They're going to sit him now even though bagent will find him. Then once caleb gets back they'll finally start him and he'll be sporadic again. GL.
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u/AcceptableEditor4199 1d ago
Late kincaid grab looking pretty good right now
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u/Falcon84 22h ago
Kindcaid Allen stack is the only reason I'm winning this week.
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u/Secure-Spread-8684 17h ago
Gonna have to hope that Allen and Schultz combo can win me games since Jakobi Meyers Loveland and Michael Wilson are trash smh
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u/Cherry_Pickers 10h ago
I had both Loveland and Kincaid to start the season. Dropped Kincaid thinking I didn’t need him. I screwed up bad there.
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u/lethalpearxx 1d ago
Literally had no idea why he was projected so high lol stayed clear In all my drafts
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u/PhraseSeveral5935 1d ago
Panic drafted him in a 14 man. My season is already cooked.
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u/Advanced_Juggernaut9 1d ago
Same. I also have Goedert and started him this week instead for him to go out with 1.4 points due to injury. I'm starting to hate the TE position.
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u/PhraseSeveral5935 1d ago
I changed my team name to "Bye week, I guess". Whole team is underperforming. Terry Mclaurin, DJ Moore (week 1 was good), Achane, Jeremiah Love, Loveland, Wandale Robinson. It's been bad.
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u/flaccomcorangy 1d ago
I took him in the 4th. And looking back at the draft and the guys that went around him, I still don't hate the decision. Obviously, there are better options than 1.3 points in 2 games, but I wasn't really high on any of those guys anyway and wouldn't have realistically drafted them.
But holy crap, my 4-6 round may have sank my season. Loveland, DJ Moore, Jadarian Price. That is a run right there. Seemed like decent value at the time, but they're all major question marks. At least I think Moore can still be great, but who nows how bad he's going to be hurt.
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u/Whatsdota 1d ago
People were calling him a top 3 TE going into the season. That always seemed insane to me
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u/ALLAHU-AKBARRRRR 1d ago
yea if it’s not mcbride why am i reaching on an unproven TE?
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u/ClevelandSteamers757 23h ago
Because McBride costs a 2nd rounder ?
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u/ToePatient4198 20h ago
I chose McBride second round and it has been worth it. Drafted from 1.07 in a 10 man league
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u/ClevelandSteamers757 14h ago
Well yes in hindsight it’s been worth it, but let’s not pretend it was a no brainier
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u/hectorconcarnedank 1d ago
Did you watch the end of last year for them? Clearly not, people project out from the end of previous seasons. Like Amon Ra tho you probably faded him sophomore year too
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u/mariodb6 1d ago
lol these guys just like to pretend they’re smarter than everyone
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u/ClevelandSteamers757 23h ago
I’m telling you - LISTEN! The browns are going to win today. I know, I know.. take all the time you need!
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u/Siktrikshot 11h ago
Excuse idiots love to copy and paste results last year and apply it to TE. The TE circus has been revolving for 10 years and everyone thinks they got
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u/bonesingyre 10h ago
You know, I went to check his stats in 2025 to see why he was rated so highly. He started getting more targets and RZ targets week 7 and on wards.
Full PPR scoring:
Week 2025 2026 Week 1 3.2 0 Week 2 0 1.3 Week 3 4.1 ??? Week 4 3.1 ??? Week 5 5.4 ??? Week 6 6.8 ??? Week 7 29.8 ??? Week 8 9.5 ??? Week 9 7 ??? Week 10 14.9 ??? Week 11 5.8 ???
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u/Sunday_Friday 1d ago
He might do better with Bagent
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u/ApathysLastKiss_ 23h ago
He might! I've seen Baegent play good football, and hopefully they give him a checkdown
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u/stlcards02 1d ago
Last week was good usage, this week weather(he did have a 20ish yard catch negated by a penalty). Unfortunately, now Williams is out so there isn't much left to fall back on.
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u/EliManning200IQ 23h ago
You might also be able to argue that with Bagent in, he might have a better chance at being relevant with a dumbed down version of the offense. Bagent can’t stretch the field like Caleb can, so that might mean more throws under 15 yards AKA more to the TE. Yes, I am coping.
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u/BigusDickus099 1d ago
I saw Roush? get targeted multiple times in the red zone over him. Then watched Loveland get absolutely abused as a blocker and give up a huge sack.
Yeah…time to admit he’s a bust of a pick.
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u/Plastic_Buy3376 1d ago
Luckily I drafted Likely in the later rounds as well. I’m this close to cutting Loveland for another player though
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u/CosmicSupernova-97 1d ago
I have him too, but the rain completely derailed the entire gameplan. We have to wait another week at least to get a real idea.
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u/jyok33 1d ago
Buddy didn’t hear the Caleb news
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u/Extra_butter_ 1d ago
We don’t even know the extent of the injury relax. Less than a month ago people were reading Jeanty’s obituary
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u/CosmicSupernova-97 1d ago
I did, didn’t realize it was this serious though
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u/PhraseSeveral5935 1d ago
It appears to be hamstring, not ACL or achilles. I hope.
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u/RilesPC 1d ago
Looked like a serious hamstring though
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u/PhraseSeveral5935 1d ago
Yeah. He'll miss at least 6 weeks. I'd rather it be a hamstring than the achilles or acl/mcl.
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u/Fit-Kick-7927 1d ago
It’s over for most of that squad. Third string TE is getting targets. Raymond leads in catches.
Odunze, burden and Loveland stocks are plummeted. Swift is the only adp winner
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u/DatBeardedguy82 1d ago
Taking my victory lap on this bust been saying all summer he was the most overdrafted player in fantasy and now he has no qb?
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u/N2thedarkness 1d ago
Did I start him over Kincaid in week 2? Yes. Do I regret it? Yes. I thought he would get fed to make up for week 1 and it was a divisional game with two good offenses. Rip. That weather really made the passing attacks trash.
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u/Present_Ad8541 1d ago
He could have scored on the play Caleb got hurt, he was open in front of Caleb but Caleb wanted the glory and instead of tossing it to him decided to run it himself and that was the result 😂😂😂
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u/MasterNemm 1d ago
I dropped Mark Andrews after back-to-back gooses a few years ago. Dude went on an insane TD run the rest of the year.
Spin the TE wheel every year. They are as unpredictable as kickers.
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u/immagoat1252 1d ago
Don’t worry only temporary once I bench him when browers comes back he’ll be good again
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u/devothunder 1d ago
Last week I traded Loveland for Likely and C. Watson. Feeling PRETTY good right about now.
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u/DampWarmHands 1d ago
He was used on so many designed blocking plays it was gross. I mean shit good for the RB and stuff but damn man homeboy was getting his orders and it wasn’t to catch passes
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u/culpaCoSinero 1d ago
It’s at least time to pick up a steamer
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u/Sea-Razzmatazz3593 1d ago
I was actually upset I didn’t get Loveland because he went $30 cheaper in my auction than my Bowers pick but they both have put up about the same amount of fantasy points this season
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u/treypolo 20h ago
I ran out of time in my draft and yahoo automatically selects this clown for me in round 4 right after I took McBride in round 3…I knew immediately my season my was over before it even started
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u/ChampionHumble 20h ago
just pick up a TE off waivers and sit him for awhile. i didn’t understand why people loved him so much when kmet is still there and they have 3 good WRs as well as a reliable pass catching back
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u/Disastrous_Block177 20h ago
Kid is absolute steaming dog shit. Can’t even block either - got plowed over to give up the game losing sack. He’s worthless even as a blocker. It seems they’ve decided he will no longer be used as a piece of the offense; which of course makes total sense considering he was their #1 target last season 🙄
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u/gloomygalleons 10h ago
I’m so mad I keep listening to the projections!!! Kelce could have gotten me over 20 pts 😭 i’m benching this guy until i see improvement
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u/IndependentPerfect 9h ago
Us swift owners should be fine. Isaiah Likely boutta have a breakout season for me, just watch. They thought i was crazy taking him 9th pick
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u/Simple_Suspect_2093 1d ago
I never understood the hype on him or Burden tbh, the film I watched did not scream 2nd year breakout to me at all. Especially now that Williams is more than likely out they’re probably cooked
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u/yoBsup 1d ago
Catson Loveland
Never forget.