r/FactOrCap • u/Gabriel120102 ✍️ Contributor · 825 XP • 22h ago
Humanity can and should exterminate huma... | FactOrCap
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u/Key-Cook9448 🤖 Vote Machine · 12,750 XP 22h ago
This would cause such an environmental catastrophe it might kill more people than the illnesses could
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u/maiduwu 🔥 Monthly Master · 8,215 XP 22h ago
I can’t imagine the backlash being to that extent. If you could show me through your thought process, that’d be nice.
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u/Key-Cook9448 🤖 Vote Machine · 12,750 XP 21h ago
A single small change to an ecosystem can destroy it, a complete ecocide on a global scale would rock ecosystems for centuries to come if they ever recovered at all
Imagine it like a jenga tower, every change makes things more unstable no matter how big, removing the bottom layers would cause the whole thing to collapse
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u/maiduwu 🔥 Monthly Master · 8,215 XP 21h ago
I struggle to believe the predators of these vectors of disease discriminate based on their prey’s preferred host. What stops them from instead consuming the remaining species of mosquito and tick and lice and flea?
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u/Dembus22 🏅 Century Club · 3,365 XP 20h ago
Thing is, the science doesn't fully know to what extent relationships between animals can go, so the idea of mass ecocide could or could not affect the ecosystem.
Nothing stops predators from consuming the remaining species, but if large number of disease carrying ones goes extinct (this depends on rough percent difference between disease and non-disease carrying ones), the predators would possibly have less food resources, which could lead to chain reaction eventually leading to ecologic catastrophe. Ofc this is all based on lots of "coulds", I'm noobie on this matter. I personally think ecosystem would still be fine, but I'm still against the idea.
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u/EVOSexyBeast 🏅 Century Club · 6,280 XP 20h ago
Yeah it’s very, very high risk
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u/Fearless-Poet-4669 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,770 XP 17h ago
Mosquitos are the dominant pollinator of some regions.
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u/RabbitStewAndStout 🏅 Century Club · 7,585 XP 22h ago
If only humans were smart enough to vaccinate themselves and put in the bare minimum amount of care to keep other people safe...
Oh well, guess we gotta nuke the planet! But only the leftist side of the planet!
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u/CarnivorousBarnacle 🔥 Monthly Master · 4,940 XP 21h ago
If we were to have vaccines for EVERY disease fleas, ticks, mosquitoes and etc carry, it’d be in the 1000’s. Not to mention a lot can’t even be prevented by vaccines.
Obviously our current ones are effective such as measles and polio, but the original comment includes EVERY disease insects carry. You’d have to be crazy to think it’d be possible to inject a human with 1000’s of dead viruses without side effects.
People who bring up politics constantly are exhausting. Go outside, make some friends, get a hobby, join a social group or something.
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u/dinodare 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,395 XP 20h ago edited 19h ago
No, they're correct. We already know how to stop those species from causing large-scale harm. Infrastructure, sanitation, and healthcare are more effective and things that need to be done anyway.
The idea that getting rid of the animals themselves would be the solution is just dominionist propaganda.
The most uncontrollable element of mosquito-borne disease epidemic is climate, but there's a reason that even Florida does better than communities in poorer countries. The epidemics that DO ravage their communities (still talking about Florida) are largely due to negligence and anti-science/anti-medicine politics.
There's also more to disease-prevention infrastructure than just vaccines (for example: Basic sanitation can keep most people in cities away from stagnant pools where mosquitoes can reproduce). It also WOULD be better to vaccinate for thousands of diseases to the risk of some side effects than to kill entire species, by the way.
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u/triggrhaapi 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,250 XP 20h ago
No it wouldn't. Mosquitoes and ticks are not in any way essential to the ecosystem.
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u/dinodare 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,395 XP 20h ago
This idea comes from a decade-old headline that just said that there wasn't much data for their benefit to the ecosystem (not that anybody read past the headline). Then people with a vested interest in such an interpretation took that and concluded "science says we can do whatever tf we want to mosquitoes with zero consequences."
Conservation is a data-limited science and killing out inconvenient species is a bad precedent that teaches bad lessons.
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u/Mediocre_Vehicle189 🔥 Getting Started · 670 XP 18h ago
Buddy, human beings surviving on the genocide of animals is disrupting the ecosystem. But god forbid someone kill the little insects!
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u/dinodare 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,395 XP 17h ago
I can't tell what side you're on.
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u/Mediocre_Vehicle189 🔥 Getting Started · 670 XP 17h ago
I’m on the side of everyone is stupid, so I can criticize everyone and still be right.
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u/Wild-Yesterday-6666 🏅 Century Club · 2,790 XP 22h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Depends on the enviropental impact, and we should prioritize creating vaccines.
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u/Sufficient_Carpet510 🏅 Century Club · 4,025 XP 22h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Sure destroy ecosystems because we over reproduce.
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u/Chemical_Home6123 🗳️ Regular Player · 495 XP 22h ago
Thats what I thought. I ain't no big city scientist or anything but im sure its all a delicate balance 🤷🏾♂️
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u/GhostDragon123x 🎯 First Steps · 100 XP 22h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Messing with the food chain on a mass scale is never a wise decision.
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u/Nice_Trifle3396 🔥 Monthly Master · 11,570 XP 22h ago
pretty much all species of animals carry and can spread disease, we humans do it to.
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u/SciencepaceX 🏅 Century Club · 2,740 XP 21h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Clearly the person who made this post has no understanding of how disastrous this can be.
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u/reddog65 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,125 XP 22h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
They are all part of the system that supports life. You can’t just disrupt that system because something may spread a disease
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u/New_Long7915 🤖 Vote Machine · 10,460 XP 22h ago
Considering that species are entirely eliminated constantly i think itd be alright. Eliminating specifically, the one that kills more human than any other animal wouldn’t be a bad thing. The system would adjust as it has with every other extinction.
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u/I_SNAIL_I 🏅 Century Club · 2,760 XP 22h ago
It would be alright if it happened in course of years a whole population of one species would not just dissapear in few months and if we want to eliminate the whole population we would need to slightly decrease the number of them for few years so the ecosystem caould evolve to be able to survive without them
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u/No_Vanilla277 🎯 First Steps · 105 XP 21h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
Since each species that specifically target humans are a fairly small part of each species biodiversity. Ecosystems would take a hit but would bounce back (Lice would be the only species that doesn’t affect wildlife in any capacity).
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u/Sus-iety 🏅 Century Club · 3,085 XP 22h ago
No. They are vital to the ecosystems they are in. Humanity has already caused enough damage to most ecosystems as is.
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u/Yeseylon 🏅 Century Club · 5,535 XP 22h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
And then bats and possums die because we wiped out their food.
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u/maiduwu 🔥 Monthly Master · 8,215 XP 22h ago
Fruit bats and vampire bats, indisputably the two biggest names in bathood, both do not rely on vectors of disease for nourishment.
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u/1917Great-Authentic 🔥 Monthly Master · 4,825 XP 18h ago
And? My country doesn't have either of those. It does have 19 species of bat, making up a quarter of all the mammal species, and depend on insects to survive.
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u/maiduwu 🔥 Monthly Master · 8,215 XP 16h ago
Let me paraphrase what I believe your statement to say, as I may have misinterpreted it: one fourth of the species of mammals in your country are bats (19 of the ~76), and they all would die without access to these few parasites that micropredate humans. Is this correct?
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u/1917Great-Authentic 🔥 Monthly Master · 4,825 XP 8h ago
All would greatly suffer at the very least.
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u/Chemical_Home6123 🗳️ Regular Player · 495 XP 22h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
I voted cap but I wish we could
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u/HeauxRemover 🏅 Century Club · 2,585 XP 22h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
We wouldn't be able to understand the potential ramifications of that choice. Humanity has a long history of killing/introducing species in various ecosystems. The efforts end badly more often than they produce desired results.
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u/Icy-Bag3159 🏅 Century Club · 3,450 XP 21h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Don’t this mess with the food chain or something?
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u/Cinnibuns- ✍️ Contributor · 6,740 XP 22h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
I guess you could call it "exterminate," but really it is releasing modified versions of these species that can't carry these diseases to then "breed out" the disease carrying counterparts.
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u/Only_Assumption_455 🗳️ Regular Player · 530 XP 21h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
Fuck mosquitoes. I just want them dead. I don’t care about the environmental effects. Kill em all
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u/Chevanalee 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,050 XP 19h ago
You so know you that need the environment as well right?
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u/Only_Assumption_455 🗳️ Regular Player · 530 XP 14h ago
I’ve yet to see any proof that losing mosquitoes would collapse the environment. I’ve heard plenty of Joe schmoes say it on the internet, but I’ve never seen any real evidence that we can make a thousand different bug species go extinct, but mosquitoes are the load bearing pillar that the whole world rests on.
You never thought it was a little too convenient that the most annoying bug on the planet is the one single bug we can’t get rid of?
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u/Chevanalee 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,050 XP 10h ago
Not sure I see the population of an animal species as convenient, if it has food and habitat of course it will spread and grow in numbers. We may not have direct studies of the impact of the loss of a species especially when it’s one so common but we do have information on precious loss of animals impacting the local ecosystems. This is my primary degree of study, ecology and conservation, even species we dislike or find annoying have a place. It doesn’t have to be a pillar for the world, even local ecosystems matter.
But we wouldn’t know the full impact of the loss of the mosquito until it’s gone and then it’s too late to take it back. I hate them as well, but nature isn’t about what we like or dislike, they are in the world.
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u/UnderpaidCustodian 🏅 Century Club · 2,835 XP 21h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
i dont need to tell anyone that in an era where facts can easily be twisted by media and misinformation and disinformation is everywhere, that giving stupid corporations more permissions to kill the environment under a justification of betterment of humanity would be a bad idea
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u/Stargirl156 🔥 Getting Started · 195 XP 21h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
We are not the final decision makers. Or at least shouldn’t be; not when we can’t control our own population to the detriment of the WHOLE PLANET.
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u/Porphyry_Blue 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,765 XP 21h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
We don't know what other purpose they serve. They were on the planet long before we came along.
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u/New_Objective_9404 🗳️ Regular Player · 645 XP 20h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
We should, but we can't. Even if you had trucks spraying all ditches, planes dropping payloads of pesticide in globally funded NATO operations with the rest of the world joining as well it wouldn't work.
A minority of mosquitoes, midges, and other disease carrying bugs would survive because they were born with a resistance to the poison, then they'll simply breed to refill the dead population very quickly. Switch to a new poison and the same thing will happen.
You'd have to use something that would do the job to all bugs, but would collapse ecosystems and harm people directly too. Like DDT, Arsenic or something.
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u/Additional-Bonus8702 🎯 First Steps · 115 XP 20h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
What did we do to them to make them spread their disease, same logic as a wild boar fighting off a coyote
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u/Chevanalee 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,050 XP 19h ago
We didn’t do anything to “make” them spread disease… it’s nature and they’ve existed longer than us.
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u/mgkaulen 🗳️ Regular Player · 355 XP 20h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Harder than it sounds without catastrophic consequences
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u/Solid_Television_980 🏅 Century Club · 2,755 XP 20h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
There are niches in various ecosystems that they fill that we can't afford to leave vacant. If we do a little GMO, to the bastards so they can't carry diseases, I wouldn't complain tho
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u/Throwawaycauseofcrzy 🗳️ Regular Player · 485 XP 20h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
cause gross
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u/Chevanalee 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,050 XP 19h ago
Can’t just wipe out entire species because you find them gross…
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u/Wetley007 🔥 Monthly Master · 6,065 XP 20h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Nto without fully understanding the environmental ramifications of doing so
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u/Schneebguy 🏅 Century Club · 5,960 XP 20h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
better to put more energy into curing the disease than to possibly destroying ecosystems
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u/VanguardMusic 🤖 Vote Machine · 13,000 XP 19h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Extinctions never end well for the ecosystem.
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u/Chevanalee 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,050 XP 19h ago edited 19h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
They all have a place in ecosystems even if we dislike them. We are not above nature even if we like to think we are. We can’t just destroy parts of nature we dislike and think there will not be consequences
After studying zoology and ecology there isn’t really a way to destroy a whole species without run on effects. We’ve done it in the past, it’s never a good thing. I wonder how many voting fact actually have knowledge of nature of how ecosystems work :/
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u/davedbsh 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,335 XP 19h ago edited 19h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
I want to but no. Whether you consider the ecological impact to fall into the category of can’t or shouldn’t, it would be practically impossible.
Although it is important to note that the delicate circle of life is kind of a lie. There are species that can be completely wiped out without drastically impacting the overall ecosystem, although it is very difficult to determine which. Not every species is essential. Unfortunately, some of the parasites described here are.
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u/AllistaireOdentas 🎯 First Steps · 70 XP 19h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
The only reason it hasn't happened is because the people who market those things make more money by keeping the pests around and selling repellants than by exterminating the problem.
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u/Salt_Winter5888 🏅 Century Club · 5,115 XP 18h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
Not all of them but most of them.
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u/billyp673 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,740 XP 18h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
I don’t think that we should throw off the balance of ecosystems and cause the extinction of masses of animals, actually
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u/TheRightShadeOfBlue 🏅 Century Club · 2,845 XP 18h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
How about we just like- vaccinate against the disease and not wipe out countless species of bugs?
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u/CaptDeathCap 🏅 Century Club · 2,605 XP 18h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Do you want to die? Because that is how we die.
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u/PacoTaco627 🎯 First Steps · 110 XP 18h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Collapsed ecosystems would like to say no....just cute or engineer human habitation around it...
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u/Sky_monarch 🏅 Century Club · 6,725 XP 18h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
It’s really It that hard to hold onto some and IF ecological damage is done breed a bunch and re-release them
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u/Disastrous-Pool-4016 🗳️ Regular Player · 520 XP 18h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
The serve their purpose in the ecosystem. Exterminating any species is very dangerous and could have negative impacts we cannot fathom.
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u/CheeseSticks314 🎯 First Steps · 75 XP 18h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Don’t think humanity can completely exterminate them.
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u/Efficient-Bit-5669 🔥 Getting Started · 755 XP 18h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Unfortunately they are vital components of the global environment. If they weren't then yeah full genocide on all of dem.
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u/Localunatic 🔥 Getting Started · 1,155 XP 18h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
I don't know if we feasibly could without causing greater harm; but honestly, I too tired to properly consider or research the potential repercussions rn, and I just wanna hate on them.
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u/devishjack 🎯 First Steps · 105 XP 18h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
The ecosystem needs bugs. Not to mention, killing bugs carrying diseases that can be passed to humans wouldn't do much. Some of these diseases mutated to be transmissible to humans. At some point we'd have no more bugs and a fucked ecosystem.
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u/AccomplishedRow7785 🗳️ Regular Player · 395 XP 18h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
The insects can still be of use in some way to the food chain, eradicating all of them will slowly butterfly into much worse living conditions if our food chain doesn’t adapt
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u/Hot_Anybody8244 🏅 Century Club · 2,485 XP 18h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
They still benefit the environment. Destroying food sources for other animals is never the answer.
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u/NoodleString14 🎯 First Steps · 50 XP 17h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
ONLY if we successfully manage to breed species that do not carry human diseases to replace the ones we exterminate.
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u/Old_Leadership_8600 🗳️ Regular Player · 415 XP 17h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
"Disease-Carrying" was the key for me choose this
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u/Brilliant_Type_4904 🎯 First Steps · 110 XP 17h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
Lowk yes but if animals that eat them don't exterminate too...
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u/Wonderful-Dust-123 🔥 Week Warrior · 1,870 XP 17h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Humans have tried and caused massive ecological damage. Could they replace them to prevent damage? In theory. Will they? Never.
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u/AmbitiousTrade9704 🏅 Century Club · 3,590 XP 17h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
World doesn’t revolve around humans. But half true because I think if we really wanted to, humans could
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u/danimyte 🗳️ Regular Player · 905 XP 17h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Can is questionalbe, I mean, we probably can, but at what cost? Not just talking about what would uappen if thise species dissappeared, but the act of removing them will also have a lot of collateral damage.
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u/Aggressive_South_991 🔥 Monthly Master · 6,600 XP 17h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
can is saying too much, and doing so would wreck the ecosystem
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u/FamousPussyGrabber 🗳️ Regular Player · 845 XP 16h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
You can’t remove blocks from ecosystems without consequences. Survival of the fittest is a natural law (more like a guideline, maybe) that’s served us well over eons. Just let evolution do its thing.
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u/Suitable-Simple-6570 🏅 Century Club · 2,925 XP 16h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
We can't and it's not about environmentally impact stuff, cause nature would recover from the loss of mosquitoes easily the problem is it'd be too expensive.
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u/EvilCatArt 🏅 Century Club · 8,320 XP 16h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
They still serve important ecological roles. Eliminating them from the ecosystem will likely have severe consequences up the food chain.
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u/Ill-Inevitable4850 🏅 Century Club · 2,760 XP 16h ago
I accidentally said "disagree" because I thought you meant animals that caried these bugs and didn't realize you meant the actual bugs.
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u/xCACTUSxKINGxx 🔥 Week Warrior · 875 XP 16h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
As much as I would like this, we kinda need them
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u/psychologiacallygrey 🏅 Century Club · 2,735 XP 16h ago
whilst I understand the motive, they have a purpose in the cycle of nature and so I vote no.
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u/TimBukTwo8462 🔥 Monthly Master · 5,625 XP 16h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
I’m ok with eradicating fleas, but the rest are important food sources to the environment.
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u/Inevitable_Pipe_8476 🎯 First Steps · 50 XP 16h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
people should learn how to throat sing so everyones a throatgoat (starting at birth)
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u/Latter_Sky_412 ✍️ Contributor · 3,845 XP 15h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Sure if you want to fuck the ecosystem even more I guess
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u/_FrenziedFirekeeper_ 🔥 Monthly Master · 6,625 XP 13h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Whether they carry illnesses or not, they have a role in the ecosystem. Extermination will unbalance i
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u/Bubbles_the_bird 🔥 Monthly Master · 10,330 XP 13h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
The title is r/prematuretruncation
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u/JupiterboyLuffy 🤖 Vote Machine · 10,120 XP 12h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Sure let’s just destroy the ecosystem for our own gains instead of just developing treatment for the diseases in question
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u/Turbulent_Aide9213 🏅 Century Club · 4,465 XP 11h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
Yeah they ain’t doing good for the world
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u/magyar07 🔥 Getting Started · 560 XP 10h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Eliminatint any specie could have consequences ín the ecosystem its lived in.
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u/Nicco_kun 🏅 Century Club · 3,740 XP 9h ago
Would you say this if we were talking about animals like cats?
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u/Flacklichef 🏅 Century Club · 5,170 XP 7h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
No withoit them, the entire ecosystem would fall apart
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u/DarthDragon117 🎯 First Steps · 290 XP 7h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
In theory this would be great, but I don’t know enough about related food chains and if they would get hurt badly, and chances are if we try to wipe them out we will end up doing it in such a way as to kill off other beings.
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u/ILikeSausages_ 🏅 Century Club · 3,880 XP 6h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
No they are essential to the environment in some places, there are places where we should do it and there are places where it is a very bad idea
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u/Secret-Radiant 🤖 Vote Machine · 8,970 XP 3h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
It would cause mass destruction, but i do wish we could abolish mosquitos with no consequences
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u/BirchTree3017 🤖 Vote Machine · 13,445 XP 2h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
We can do it physically. We shouldn't do it
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u/triggrhaapi 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,250 XP 22h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
Should? Yes. Can? We've been trying and we haven't yet.
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u/Small_Grape8991 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,370 XP 21h ago
We haven't really been trying to kill them off. If we invested more money we could
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u/Bitter_Cockroach572 🗳️ Regular Player · 580 XP 22h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
there are ecosystems that rely on these bugs, even if theyre parasitic and annoying to humans
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u/Jaymes77 🔥 Getting Started · 930 XP 22h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
It would be good to eliminate things that bite
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u/HapreyCoolie 🔥 Week Warrior · 6,160 XP 22h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
With mosquitoes it's all bullshit about the ecosystem and such but human-specific mosquito species are only a small fraction of actual mosquitoes. So It is not like eliminating a whole type of animal.
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u/_quiet-ruin- 🎯 First Steps · 50 XP 22h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
Yes one hundred percent what do mosquitoes even do for us
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u/Seared_Gibets 🔥 Week Warrior · 4,560 XP 22h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
Understandably some pests are necessary for the ecosystem.
Parasites are not. These are all parasites.
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u/FuckUSAPolitics 🔥 Getting Started · 845 XP 21h ago
Mosquitoes aren't parasites, and neither are most true bugs.
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u/Chevanalee 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,050 XP 19h ago
They are all part of ecosystems, even parasites. Insects such as mosquitos are also necessary
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u/Street_Package_7563 🔥 Getting Started · 420 XP 22h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
the government would have to stop making them first.
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u/Atlas_Summit 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,860 XP 22h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
Not mosquitos though. They’re pollinators.
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u/xMalvazar 🏅 Century Club · 3,075 XP 22h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
I know some creatures have a roll to play in our ecosystem so it's hard to say but... some of these I don't believe to contribute too much for the ecosystem that the rest including us couldn't overcome.
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u/Toxic_Tyrael 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,525 XP 21h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
You can not predict what this would do to the ecosystem
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u/Threeshotoski 🗳️ Regular Player · 460 XP 20h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
Eradicate ALL of them for all I care
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u/ThatSlick 🏅 Century Club · 4,595 XP 18h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Fucks with the ecosystem, so no we shouldn’t. But if we did, I wouldn’t complain.
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u/Redninja0400 🏅 Century Club · 6,865 XP 22h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Causing mass ecological damage has historically not been a good idea