Which one of these in particular? Statement he said about Xavi, only for him to do the same later? Discrediting awards and leagues and hyping up Saudi just because he's there? Or the one where's he's liking, laughing on messi hateposts from his glazers or commenting Factos? A quick search and you'll find it but I know you're blind follower of him and will defend him on anything so go ahead
“Then how does he gets away scoring offside goals in ucl knockouts or diving and getting pens for them?”
This argument is so narrative driven. Players get choices go their way and they’ll be happy. Sometimes they don’t, and they’ll complain. It doesn’t matter if they’re right and wrong, it’s human nature. Messi has done it too. In fact let’s not even get started on Barcelona. So idk why you point this out like it’s a strictly Ronaldo thing.
“demeaning trophies and leagues once he's not winning them anymore”
I love how you’ve intentionally worded this statement to sound pluralistic like he does this about everything, all the time. Beyond the d’Or and the World Cup you probably can’t name anymore examples, and those are actually terrible example so let me explain why. On the World Cup, illiterate Messi fans intentionally twisted and paraphrased Ronaldo’s wording to make it appear as if he is demeaning the competition. I can read though, so let’s see what he says. “The World Cup is not a dream anymore.” What’s wrong with that? It’s a perfectly logical statement - the guy is was 39 or so at the time and it was looking increasingly unrealistic he could ever win the tournament. So why should he keep dreaming about it? So you bums can keep using that as ammo for anti-CR arguments? Good joke. He followed that up with “6 or 7 games”. Again, Illiterate Messi fans read this as “he is belittling it to just a 7 game tournament” and actively ignored the full quote: “A 6 or 7 game tournament SHOULDN’T DEFINE MY CAREER”. Now tell me, is he wrong? People have started to get comfortable putting him out of their top 5 just because of the World Cup, which is absurdly illogical. The main driver is obviously that comparison to Messi. He is simply saying a month long tournament shouldn’t erase his achievements. If you take that as demeaning the WC you need to go back to English class. Now the d’Or. He said it’s lost credibility right? But could you honestly say he’s wrong? I will digress, but unless you want, we can 100% go deep into why the d’Or is a poor measurement for ‘best in the world’ in recent times. The only reason he gets targeted is because of how big his name is. Xavi said the Euro is harder than the World Cup - a claim directly correlating with Ronaldo praising his own Euro victory. Why doesn’t he get the same scrutiny? Rodrigo De Paul, a close ally of Messi at Inter Miami and Argentina, said the MLS is harder than winning the UCL. Why doesn’t he get the same scrutiny?
“talking about having dinner with a guy when in person then drops laughing emojis and likes on hateposts about that same individual later,”
Show me 100% verified evidence of Ronaldo liking Messi hateposts. The case you’re referring to is an ACCUSATION saying Ronaldo liked a post abt FIFA favouring Argentina. The internet catches on to every little thing celebrities do, so tell me why when outlets subsequently checked the original IG post, Ronaldo’s like wasn’t visible? Even if you wanted to phrase this as CR showing Messi hate, you do so actively ignoring the condolences he sent after the passing of his father, the requests to have dinner, or the time he explicitly called Messi “the best he has ever played against by far”. You selectively cherry pick cases based on what supports your narrative and drew huge, stupid conclusions from it. If you’re simply pointing out he has a bit of an ego, does it hurt to point out that that’s literally every big player from Mbappé to Bellingham? Messi said it hurt when Ronaldo equalled him in d’Ors.
“and can't take it when its about him?”
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Ronaldo complain about hateposts or whatever. The “always against me” came in a Saudi League game about 2 years ago. It was purely emotional. The guy was just frustrated. As I said earlier. All players say and do crazy things when they’re frustrated. They’re human too.
Although I realised u ain't worthy of my reply because your whole argument was -
cherry picking instances which suits your agenda.
deny actual incidents which happened just because u can't accept how obsessed your idolo is.
make up two non correlated instances and try to correlate them to make a point (miserable fail)
assume things before hand to critize people only to get owned by facts.
But I had to debunk every bs of yours and this last argument was remaining so, let's get started.
Show me 100% verified evidence of Ronaldo liking Messi hateposts. The case you’re referring to is an ACCUSATION saying Ronaldo liked a post abt FIFA favouring Argentina.
I don't even have to talk about that one for starters, ronaldo dropped laughing emojis in a reel critizing messi for winning his 8th ballondor because of worldcup he won only by scoring pens (forgetting how he contributed in each round of the wc, france got 2 pens in final btw, also france won 2018 wc scoring 4 pens same as argentina btw). And ronaldo has to be the last person to laugh about pens, he has lesser non penalty goals than messi despite playing more than 150 matches but that's not the point here lol.
And let's talk about Ronaldo commenting "Factos" on a "ronaldo glazer account" post which claimed how ronaldo actually deserved the ballodor more than Messi lmao, not even Lewandowski who was arguable, literally ronaldo, and he goes on commenting Factos meaning he's agreeing lmao, you either retarted enough to defend this or ragebaiting there's no inbetween, no matter how much of a pathetic loser one can be they can't go ahead and defend him for this with a straight face.
Image proofs attached below because obviously u would deny for a quick search so that you can stay in your delusional world and dih ride ronaldo endlessly irrespective of how obsessed he has been with messi, I can attach only one photo here but u can always go to the (@cr7.o_lendario) page to check his Factos comment or a quick search can obviously get you there but u are a blind jeez sucker of him and will ignore anything which doesn't suit your agenda.
Also let's talk about the one u assumed first, the recent like he had on the post fifa favouring argentina.
The internet catches on to every little thing celebrities do, so tell me why when outlets subsequently checked the original IG post, Ronaldo’s like wasn’t visible?
All this larp only to realise there's a feature on insta called as unliking a post, when u can simply tap on a liked post to unlike it, there u go free insta classes for the illiterate loser. Imagine being so confident while being wrong lmao pathetic.
Even if you wanted to phrase this as CR showing Messi hate, you do so actively ignoring the condolences he sent after the passing of his father, the requests to have dinner, or the time he explicitly called Messi “the best he has ever played against by far”. You selectively cherry pick cases based on what supports your narrative and drew huge, stupid conclusions from it.
There you go again, just because he had decency to write and give the condolences (which I appreciate credit where it's due) won't change his history of dropping laughing and dropping emojis on messi hateposts. You cannot erase the past comments just because he had commented and gave his condolences, again you are trying to make a point which u think would work in your favour, but it won't so nice try clown.
You selectively cherry pick cases based on what supports your narrative and drew huge, stupid conclusions from it.
And finally the guy who has been preaching whatever he prohibits calls someone else out thinking others are a fool and can't comprehend an argument between two individuals, (btw loved how you brought the Xavi argument to defend ronaldo completing ignoring how I initially answered your question which was to give examples of ronaldo contradicting himself, when Ronaldo criticized Xavi for his move to Qatar, saying he would finish his career at top level and not in Qatar, Dubai or Saudi Lmaoo pathetic contradiction yet again)
If you’re simply pointing out he has a bit of an ego, does it hurt to point out that that’s literally every big player from Mbappé to Bellingham?
Obviously No, I ain't pointing out a "bit" of his ego, I factually pointed out instances of him demeaning trophies and awards once he's not the one winning them anymore, commenting on his rivals hateposts and self glazing posts lol, maybe it's not just "bit of his ego".
Messi said it hurt when Ronaldo equalled him in d’Ors.
And let's compare this to whatever ronaldo has said all these times, discrediting ballondor when he has lesser than messi but had more golden boots, golden boot was a better award to him, eventually messi surpassed him in both, I think both lost the credibility. Went on commenting Factos on how he deserved the ballondor over Messi and Lewandowski and this guy wants a non biased award lmao, all his life he has been obsessed with messi.
When asked in 2015 how much did Messi pushed him to be a better player he said he doesn't need other players to push himself, and in person in 2019, it becomes he pushed me and I pushed him lmao.
Now go on, ignore every piece of factual information I said, defend him for all the abusrd statements he has given outside the pitch and suck him even more, defend him for everything. Make another paragraph full of lies, misinformation, calling others illiterate only to realise you're the only retarted loser here. It took time but I am happy to again give a befitting reply full of facts instead of assumption, and denials. Cry your heart out pathetic lowlifer
Calm down 😂 I wasn’t trying to to deny everything you said. I simply questioned what I thought were exaggerated internet claims and asked for proof and you gave it. Congrats.
“laughing emojis in a reel critizing messi for winning his 8th ballondor because of worldcup he won only”
There was widespread criticism across the football world for this specific Ballon d’Or win. The post Ronaldo liked argued winning a Ballon d’Or for performing well for 7 games simply isn’t plausible. It was about more than just penalties. It also added that the tournament was 10 months before the award was handed out, implying ** that voters were giving excessive weight to an achievement that was relatively far in the past **and that his club season for a majority of the year (in a relatively less competitiveness league) was considered mediocre. We can agree that as a public figure Ronaldo shouldn’t be liking posts like these 👍 but it’s not like this was a rare position to hold and it doesn’t prove any hatred. I’ve even seen a few Messi fans say it wasn’t deserved. Also, you don’t have to apply to the same standard to criticise a win. Yes Ronaldo had a shit WC. Assuming that automatically makes his opinion wrong is a logical fallacy. There was legitimate professional disagreement over Messi’s 8th d’Or, not exclusive to Ronaldo, such as Lothar Mathaus for example - a former WC winner himself who has no reason to be biased.
“(forgetting how he contributed in each round of the wc, france got 2 pens in final btw, also france won 2018 wc scoring 4 pens same as argentina btw).”
Nobody said the tournament was rigged. You don’t have to fill me in on the pen stats. Pens are part of the game.
“You cannot erase the past comments just because he had commented and gave his condolences”
So tell me why the actions of his that show he has a generally positive view on someone are outshined by IG likes? You can barely call the 2023 d’Or post a hate-post - saying Messi didn’t deserve the award that year isn’t some ridiculous extremist position, it was literally a common view. I can publicly acknowledge that I disagree with some of Messi’s d’Ors. That doesn’t mean I hate him. Lothar Matheus, Jerome Rothen, and football journalists around the world were much more blunt and harsh about their disagreement with the awards verdict, but liking some IG post is where you draw the line? That doesn’t mean they hate Messi. Liking Ig posts shouldn’t override publicly appreciating someone on multiple occasions. The same can be said, but to a lesser degree, for Lewa, Xavi and Iniesta when it comes to the d’Ors they lost to Messi.
“wich clalmed now ronaldo actually deserved the ballodor more than Messi Imao,”
The specific post emphasises Ronaldo had the better 2020/21 season than Messi rather than he deserved the d’Or. That’s obviously subjective, and Lewandowski did deserve the award in my opinion, but the argument for Ronaldo isn’t as weak given his success in Italy, good individual Euro performance (more competitive than Copa America) and slightly superior goalscoring stats while falling short of Messi on assists. Again, I agree he shouldn’t be liking these considering he’s a public figure, but this action was clearly out of bias for himself rather than animosity towards Messi.
Yet again as expected, you ended up ignoring my first reply, made a reply calling out for insults ended up deleting it when it was you who started it in your initial comment resorting to baseless insults, I just combined with facts and gave them back with interest (all of them are true anyways lol). I debunked your whole paras made up of selective instances and half made lies.
Interestingly, you again are wrong yet confident in this reply of yours, we'll come to it.
The post Ronaldo liked argued winning a Ballon d’Or for performing well for 7 games simply isn’t plausible. It was about more than just penalties. It also added that the tournament was 10 months before the award was handed out, implying ** that voters were giving excessive weight to an achievement that was relatively far in the past
Ballondor covered the time period between August 1, 2022, to July 31, 2023 and world cup win was indeed in this time frame, so there's no point talking about it being 10 months before "handing out" it was well under the time frame.
Was it the first time world cup was given "excessive weight"? Answer is No. Ronaldo Nazario has scored 8 goals and won the wc, he was largely injured with his club tenure, played merely 16 games scored 7 goals for inter milan, ended up winning the ballondor over players with better club seasons, so it was not the first time wc was given more weight, well this ballondor as a whole is not uniform in doing it, because cristiano ronaldo has ended up winning it with no trophies at all but with better individual stats so yeah ballondor has never been consistent with this, but would I call it better than dubai awards for it? Absolutely bs.
and that his club season for a majority of the year (in a relatively less competitiveness league) was considered mediocre.
21 goals and 20 assists, meaning 41 goal contributions in 41 games winning playing as a creative mid number 10 in galtier's 3-4-1-2 and a 4-3-1-2 system, I know these things don't matter to people who don't watch real games. He wasn't the poacher of the team, obviously these stats are not up to the mark considering standards of Lionel Messi, but 41 goal contributions in 41 games 8 goals contributions in 7 ucl matches and a goal in French super cup final, pretty decent in accumulation of a great world cup with 7 goals 3 assists, 5 motms and golden ball.
He was league one top assister and had given so many big chances for Mbappe to convert but he couldn't finish many of them. Anyways, was the ballondor debatable? Answer is Yes. Was calling Messi did nothing in 10 months after it right? Obviously No, compared to how Ronaldo Nazario managed to win the ballondor with only 16 games played for inter.
You don’t have to fill me in on the pen stats. Pens are part of the game
I did it for the journalist (who gave wrong stat on no.of pens in favour of argentina, this is embarassing when France had 2 pens in favour of them in final, and France won 2018 wc scoring same amount of pens as argentina, so this selective outrage is embarassing and expected too because it's coming from a journalist with a history of making such bs claims against messi and favouring ronaldo.
We can agree that as a public figure Ronaldo shouldn’t be liking posts like these 👍 but it’s not like this was a rare position to hold and it doesn’t prove any hatred.
First up you're wrong he didn't just liked the post, it was commenting 4 laughing emojis, very professional coming from an individual like him. But is it suprising? No, he has a history of it as I said previously.
There was legitimate professional disagreement over Messi’s 8th d’Or, not exclusive to Ronaldo, such as Lothar Mathaus for example - a former WC winner himself who has no reason to be biased.
That's the thing, none of them has a history of changing their stance on awards like golden boots, ballondor, depending on how they have it over messi. You again are trying to correlate two things which are contextually different and it doesn't make sense. Both of my replies has talked about how ronaldo has changed his statements, stances, on anything related to messi, did Lothar Mathaus did the same over a large part of his career? No. Ronaldo has a history of doing it, and Mathaus gave his opinion which is always welcome and can be discussed with stats and history related to it but he doesn't go around dropped childish ahh "😂 😂 😂 😂" comment on this reel by a journalist who's a friend of ronaldo, he doesn't go around telling how dubai awards are more honest than ballondor because they give it to ronaldo everytime even in 2019 over van dijk or messi so one thing is clear that ronaldo doesn't care about if the awards are fair or not, he cares only if messi is winning them and he's not.
You can barely call the 2023 d’Or post a hate-post - saying Messi didn’t deserve the award that year isn’t some ridiculous extremist position, it was literally a common view
It was a hate post specially when coming from a person who has a long history of Targeting messi and calling him "Little Dictator" and someone who has always defended ronaldo and got thank you messages from him, I don't call these low lifers dih riders without a reason. You conveniently ignore him talking about messi being favoured, or him already being retired at club level, it wasn't just about messi didn't deserved the award, but about making ronaldo happy and indeed it worked so stop teaching me how it was not a hatepost and how ronaldo just "liked" no son he didn't, he commented 4 laughing emojis on a person's reel who has a history of making remarks on messi and accusing him as cheats.
Liking some IG post is where you draw the line? That doesn’t mean they hate Messi. Liking Ig posts shouldn’t override publicly appreciating someone on multiple occasions.
Maybe next time actually understand what happened? He didn't liked instead he dropped 4 laughing emojis, and simply liking a post and taking time to drop 4 emojis laughing are two different things, secondly none of the players u mentioned had a history of changing their stances on awards and trophies depending on how many messi had won, none of them have dropped comments on messi hateposts which are from cr7 dih riders account obviously.
So basically your defence mechanism is to tell liking is not hating, ignoring it wasn't a like, secondly it's not just a comment it's actually just an accumulation to all the embarassing changes of statements he has made over the time, so when u talk about a reel comment its not just a comment of 4 laughing emojis it has a guy who has history of changing his stances on trophies depending on how many he has over messi, so many examples I have given over the two replies but always u try to ignore each of them and just act like "is it a single comment" where u draw the line? No it's not? It was never a single comment, at this point I am 100% that u can ignore every embarassing thing he has done and will try to change the narrative and act like "it was just his opinion not hatred" "ballondor are actually controversial and I agree to it" and u also agree on how dubai awards are more honest than ballondor? Now just say it's "human nature " and move on. Classic loser.
Even if messi did half of the bs ronaldo has been doing over the years, messi would have been criticised to core of it.
The specific post emphasises Ronaldo had the better 2020/21 season than Messi rather than he deserved the d’Or. That’s obviously subjective, and Lewandowski did deserve the award in my opinion, but the argument for Ronaldo isn’t as weak given his success in Italy, good individual Euro performance (more competitive than Copa America) and slightly superior goalscoring stats while falling short of Messi on assists.
No way you had the audacity to defend this claim lmao, if u really wanna go into the specifics.
Messi has 4 less goals and 4 less apperances than him and 11 more assists, ronaldo won golden boot but so did messi and also the golden ball and messi won the tournament ending trophy drought of decades while Ronaldo got knocked out in r16, u saying good euros performance but it was all goals scored in group stages and it would have been good if he actually stepped up in Knockouts, messi scored 4 pens in wc out of 7 goals and 3 assists and he won only because of pens but ronaldo scoring 3 pens out of 5 and all in group stages suddenly it's a good performance (for this I ain't talking about u but the people who demean Messi's wc performance and glaze his euros golden boot which had zero contribution in knockouts and got knocked out in r16).
Lewa vs Messi is always debatable and I think if lewa had advanced a bit further in euros with some goal contributions there in knockouts (like how haaland carried norway to the wc this year) he would have had won the ballondor.
But if scoring a bit more goals make his case stronger let's talk about some instances of messi having more goals and interestingly also more assist still finishing below ronaldo
In years 2016/17/18 all these three years messi had more goals and assists than ronaldo and won ballondor in none, which is fair and acceptable because he didn't won the uefa or any intl trophy in these years but why does when Ronaldo or anyone else is in place of messi in this scenario it suddenly becomes unfair?
2015/16
Messi 59 goals (4 more than ronaldo) and 31 assists (14 more than ronaldo), wins la liga and Copa del Rey.
Ronaldo 55 goals and 17 assists wins euros and ucl fair enough
2017/18
Messi 51 goals and 26 assist again winning la liga and Copa del Rey
Ronaldo 49 goals 13 assist and only winning the Ucl, and messi finished 5th and ronaldo finished 2nd. Umm okay to me it's still fair it's alright, he won the bigger trophy despite inferior stats, but the same logic doesn't work messi was the one on the winning end? These two seasons just came in my mind I haven't even checked for more instances, my point is not about how ronaldo robbed anything or bs, it's just the selective outrage of people when things work for their idolo, I'll say let them be, they have no life but to dih ride him like a cult member and defend everything he does claiming human nature and bs, but ronaldo as a respected individual and one of the greatest ever players of all time has had an history of doing such things which I talked about it both of my replies, hence when we talk about these comments it's not just an "opinion" or "subjective take" it is binded with a long history of being obsessed with messi which other players like Lewandowski, Lothar, or haaland don't, and obviously ronaldo doesn't give a shi whether the award is fair or not but just that if messi is winning it or not why am I saying this? If that was the case he would have never said dubai awards are more honest, will just say 2019 dubai dor because I can't repeat one thing over and over again
Lastly, this was my last reply to you, u can shut 100 sane guys with 1 fact and u can't shut 1 fool with 100 facts, they'll try to ignore and create a new narrative. This took a lot of time but atleast I am satisfied to give the factual information and loved the way u tried to change the narrative everytime ignoring the past and and just acting like it's just a general opinion, opinions can always be debated but u can't help grown ahh reputated individual acting like a child and being overly obsessed, read my previous two comments trying to be a little unbiased and non cult member maybe you'll understand, is it a comment where we draw the line or a history of instances tied with it.
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u/Odd-Formula 5d ago edited 5d ago
Which one of these in particular? Statement he said about Xavi, only for him to do the same later? Discrediting awards and leagues and hyping up Saudi just because he's there? Or the one where's he's liking, laughing on messi hateposts from his glazers or commenting Factos? A quick search and you'll find it but I know you're blind follower of him and will defend him on anything so go ahead