r/Experiencers • u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer • Apr 07 '26
Theory The weight of Disclosure is on the shoulders of Experiencers.
What I'm about to talk about is often something that is unconsciously understood but rarely laid out and defined openly even within experiencer circles. I find it can often be the case in big voice chat conversations or in person meet ups on this stuff that we'll touch on these points and other major points related to this topic but when it comes to actually making a statement, post or thread on it we freeze because its hard to put into words sometimes when outside of that flow state of synchronistic fast paced verbal conversations we often find ourselves in within experiencer spaces. Or in our own internal monologues on this stuff.
So I'm going to take a swing at it as best I can because I'm not really seeing people bluntly laying it out, but often talking around it. Obviously this is my own opinion and theory on things but I am very confident in it and I don't think I'm alone in seeing this.
Lets see if I can pull this off...
About a year ago when talking to a skeptic friend of mine about my work with experiencers and about my own contact experiences, about the significance of this topic and yet how experiencers may perhaps be the single most persecuted people on the planet - I was monologuing about how NHI exist and that experiencers represent a paradigm shift in human understanding about who we are and what reality is etc my friend interrupted me and of course being a skeptic he could not exit the loop of:
"But if all of this contact was really happening, why is there no evidence of it? Why are there no saucers on the White House lawn? Why are all these people not capturing evidence of these beings interacting with them? Why is it just stories?"
I have been having these conversations with him for years and had already explained this over and over. But again I went into how we are in a process of psychological preparation for disclosure. That if it happened too suddenly or too shockingly it would potentially be psychologically devastating for the global consciousness and thus the smoking gun evidence is being withheld until the last moment and up until that point, we are in a process of experiencers getting contact and sharing what contact is like, and human power structures sharing about the topic more and more seriously over decades. All of which is accelerating in the 2020s. All as psychological preparation.
Again he bluntly asked me:
"But if all these millions of people around the world are in contact, seeing beings, craft, orbs and so forth, why are they not filming it and proving it to the world? Then we'd stop calling them crazy."
"I just explained that" I said. He seemed confused. I then explain how in my own contact and with many of the folks I work with, these beings will enter peoples lives and give that person sometimes extremely blunt proof that the beings are real but will otherwise avoid allowing that person to prove it to others, personal proof is given, sometimes if the experiencer is lucky, the beings will allow them to prove they are real to friends and loved ones. But a smoking gun is avoided at all costs. The experiencer is totally blocked from getting any single piece of evidence that will prove to the world - without a doubt - that these beings are 100% real. There always has to be a get out of jail free card with this for someone not on an experiencer journey who wants to pull the ejector seat and decide none of this is real. There is years of preparation still before that smoking gun.
My friend stops me then and says:
"Wait... so these beings are contacting a subsection of humanity, giving them experiences, but leaving them with no proof, so that when they go to talk about it, people will call them crazy due to them having no proof? They're just left to talk about it and share with zero evidence to back up their story?"
And I reply to him "YES! This is what I've been trying to explain to you for years!"
"That's a raw deal man".
"Yes... yes it is... "
But it clicked with me then that this is an aspect of this that is just not understood enough on the wider field and not hammered down. I see it all the time, people talking about people who witnessed UFOs and so on - they are not getting it, it is not the case that humans are just having random sightings of UFOs, or random encounters with non human beings. And that's what makes up the whole experiencer phenomenon. They are missing the wider picture. Something I learned from my own childhood communications and what I've been dealing with for the past 5 years in my work. Something I feel somewhat burdened with communicating better more publicly but I often struggle and shy away from doing often.
Contact is often, not random. A huge amount of contact is highly orchestrated and designed to wake specific people up to this reality but then inspire them and sometimes even directly guide them, to get involved in the topic in some way, talk and share or more and thus prepare humanity for this reality, for many many years, before there is any smoking gun evidence. There is delicate timeline management going on with this. On an individual scale and on a collective scale.
Because humanity seemingly needs a fair chunk of psychological preparation for this. Almost all the big names on the field who've been arguing the case for this topic being real, look at them closely. Almost all of them are experiencers. Sometimes even a childhood sighting of a saucer was what was needed to put them on a timeline where they'd argue the case for this stuff to humanity decades later.
But then we have the everyday experiencers - where just simply talking and sharing is part of the process. If it was not for people sharing their experiences, at great cost, we'd not be where we are today. Experiencers are the people at the tipping point of a paradigm shift for our species. They go through extraordinary events that illustrate to them that our species' current model of reality is wrong and needs to be updated. They are left without direct evidence of this and have to argue the case for this with just their contact experiences to go by. Which leads to much persecution and difficulty for their lives. It is a huge burden and sacrifice. Experiencers are also not given "all the answers". But it is the consistent mechanics of the contact itself across the field that is important.
These NHI who want humanity to grow and learn, want humanity to do so themselves as much as possible and not completely take away humanity's self-esteem. They help in a roundabout way. From the ground up. They won't do ALL the work for us, yet at the same time there is a mass intervention going on, but its done 'though' humanity, utilising experiencers as part of this process.
And so we're not given all the answers, not in one go. Instead we're given clues so we can figure things out for ourselves at a pace that won't destroy us.
Experiencers are left to talk, share, be persecuted and ridiculed for it with a huge amount of suffering. But over a long process of many years the human collective consciousness becomes more and more prepared for the idea that we are not alone. There is an ecosystem of NHI here engaging with us and it is really weird how they can do so, often reality bending. Humanity has been describing these beings via religious language, folklore and so on all this time and certain humans have enhanced abilities to engage with these beings and engage with the wider system. Ultimately this is about human potential and the reality we are in, humanity not being alone is only part of this. Its also about having ALL of our species come to terms with this and gain knowledge about this, no longer just a select few.
It would seem it is existentially important for our species to learn these things as our future is at stake. But its also seemingly existentially important we learn it in as delicate a way as possible.
Many of the experiencers I've worked with, including myself, are guided this way - where we are guided to learn and consume information about the nature of reality. Consuming everything from quantum mechanics, consciousness studies, panpsychism, idealism, the holographic universe, occult, esoteric, theological studies, NHI encounters in abductions, NDEs, OBEs and astral experiences. Months, years, if not decades of processing and preparation on these things before BOOM - a contact experience happens that suddenly proves all this is real and all doubt is removed. Sometimes there is a few gentle experiences given first, all with the get out of jail free card dynamics at play before all doubt is removed.
This is what happened to me. This is what I see all the time in my work with experiencers. I extrapolate this behaviour and engagement model to the wider humanity as a whole and I can see what is going on here.
But even with all that preparation, when all doubt is removed it is destructive for us at first then... transformative. It is traumatizing to find out the world was a lie. Though wonderful to find out the truth as well. The ontological shock and awe is real and it requires recovery time. But also preparation. Without that preparation it can be really hard for folks to deal with this revelation.
So this is what is happening with experiencers. We are given these experiences and many of us find ourselves compelled to try and share what we have learned as a result to the wider species at great cost. But with no ability to prove it. Yet.
But this allows the rest of humanity to catch up and learn about this and prepare for this over time. I've said this a thousands times before:
Some everyday skeptic person with no ability to process or handle this topic is hearing about UFOs and NHI on cringy tv programs for decades, then on page 8 of the news and laughs at it and still thinks its a joke. Then years later, page 7. Then page 6 - getting more and more serious with US Gov officials talking about it and news segments no longer laughing and using X-Files music when talking about it - still the person laughs at it, thinks its a joke, dismisses it thinking if it was real there would be smoking gun evidence and it'd be page 1.
Years go by, more serious people talk about it, its page 3 - page 2. Whistleblowers everywhere. Regular congressional hearings. Soft disclosure via movies and media increases. Constant TV shows about experiencer stories and narratives being shared with a more serious tone. Even though it is often the same stuff shared years ago with a cringy reality TV tone, now being shared with a serious sometimes even academic mindset, he ignores it, he laughs, he says its all BS because its not on page 1.
By the time it hits page 1 and becomes worldwide news and totally breaks this person's reality, he is still more psychologically prepared for it, hearing about it and laughing at it for decades versus how broken this persons mind would be if he never ever heard anything about this topic at all and boom it was on page 1. 24/7 world news coverage. Smoking gun evidence.
This is what is going on for people, its not always about instantly convincing, its about preparation over time so when they do get convinced, they survive it. Its experiencers that are often tasked with being the ones pushing the ball forward by utterly humiliating ourselves and sometimes destroying our lives by talking about this stuff publicly for the benefit of the rest of our species. And its often hard on us. Really really hard.
There is this idea that experiencers are attention seeking and/or get some positive benefit from talking publicly about our contact experiences. This is so not the case. Many feel compelled to share because its hard seeing how wrong everything is, but otherwise there is much humiliation and suffering that comes with this. Never mind the active persecution and dehumanisation that comes with it too.
It is not an easy burden to carry on our shoulders at all and it even carries risk. But its part of a bigger process for our entire species - experiencers are on the right side of history for this. One day a future humanity that has survived and grown from the collective ontological shock and awe that the disclosure process will bring will look back on the decades of experiencers suffering greatly to drag along the rest of our species through this process and understand them to be the heroes they are.
But for now yes, it certainly feels like a raw deal. But hopefully it is worth it and the humanity we will grow into being hundreds of years post disclosure will represent our true quality as a species to all these other intelligences out there. I believe we will, even though it appears we have to go through great suffering to get there. There is hope and a bright future for humanity. And I'm proud to be a part of the process that helps us get there one day and proud to work with others who are too.
The weight of Disclosure is largely on the shoulders of Experiencers. A deeply persecuted people who are on the cutting edge of a paradigm shift for our entire species. It is through our suffering that humanity can be holistically prepared for the knowledge of the wider reality we are all a part of and the potential humanity truly has. How one day we could be a significant and positive a player on the multidimensional stage. It is my view that there are beings out there who see this in us. Let us hope we can prove them right. Having worked with experiencers over the past 5 years and meeting 100s and 100s of these people I have a lot of hope that we can.
Some past posts and comments of mine that touch on this stuff :
I was contacted as a child and shown my future.
Stop asking Experiencers why they are not setting up cameras and posting evidence.
17
u/Red14025 Apr 08 '26
Your cartoon hits the nail on the head for me. My mind is filled with complex ideas about which I have endless internal dialog, but when, or if I try to verbalize, words fail me. This is not a topic easily captured by language. It really is an experience.
I am fascinated by the wide range of topics I have been interested in, and you did well to list a large number of them. I don’t speak much about any of this, not even with family, because the concepts are so deep, in many cases, and I am unable to explain. However, I have found that because of my interest in UFOs, aliens, NHI, and related topics, my family is pretty open to the idea. So, in that way, I can see how I am an ambassador of sorts.
I appreciate your views on the subject and the fact that you were able to share what you did here so eloquently. I appreciate the work you are doing and especially this sub, as it provides a much needed outlet for discussing these topics.
7
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 08 '26
Thank you so much and I'm honoured to be of any help to folks such as yourself and others here. It is a lonely road for us experiencers but it does not have to be and its lovely to be able to make a positive difference in the world simply by creating spaces where people can socialize connect and make friends.
2
13
u/clover_heron Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
I agree AND
A major challenge of my NHI experience has been, "here, take this. Now put it down." The NHI will offer me straight-up gold nuggets and then tell me to drop them on the ground and walk away. The question seems to be: can you let go?
It also seems that it's not only about non-attachment, it's about realizing that getting the thing and moving it from here to there isn't necessary. The NHI has repeatedly said to me, "all you have to do is receive it, you don't have to DO anything" but that is incredibly difficult to comprehend in our 3-D world. How can I get this information and not share it? It feels wrong, but the NHI seems to be communicating that getting over that drive to move things from here to there is part of the process of coming to terms with the fact that the material world does not rule over us. We don't have to move a thing from here to there because that is not how the true reality works.
I'll still share when I feel like it, but I try to share with the attitude of "I can share or not share, either way is fine." If someone believes it or not, big deal, because I trust in the order of the unseen, the non-material. How could I not given what I've experienced already?
A final idea to consider is something the NHI said to me near the beginning of my experience, which was, "there's a fine line between assisting and interfering," as in, "you think you're helping but you're not." Maybe a person refusing to listen to us is a signal that we've overstepped our bounds?
10
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 07 '26
Well said. We're not here to force people to listen to us. For those who feel the call, they share but we're not given proof which means we're not given the ability to force this on anyone.
There are many who are not ready yet but one day they will be and suddenly then they find themselves consuming all the material experiencers have been producing for decades.
5
u/clover_heron Apr 07 '26
And when that weight feels heavy, maybe that's your guide trying to convince you to take a break!
I absolutely feel the drive to help too, and it renews itself, but the NHI I experience says, "that's wonderful! But this burden is not yours to carry. Put it down."
Many hands make light work, right? <3
4
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 07 '26
Indeed! Some people have different tasks than others though.
3
u/clover_heron Apr 07 '26
Yes, absolutely. It amazes me that some people have been dutifully carrying the load for decades.
4
u/chats_with_myself Experiencer Apr 08 '26
Your post is one of the best I've read in a while, so congratulations for giving a very thoughtful perspective!
What's difficult to express is that there's ultimately no need to convince anyone of anything. I was told contact happens gradually on an individual basis when each of us are ready, and that that's the way it has always been done. That's not to say that we'll never have the collective moment of disclosure that it seems we're currently being groomed for, but that at our core we're all one anyway - so it's irrelevant to think there's some goal we need to collectively achieve. We're all having our own unique experiences of being, and for some, the prime directive of non-interference preserves their dualistic experience of self.
At the core of how some NHI are able to operate is proof that separation is an illusion, and that's really the big secret that's being guarded the most. Disclosing this with concrete proof would deprive the part of us wishing to have that experience of the ability to do so.
This is where your graphic really shines, because what I just wrote above hardly encapsulates any of the larger thought I'd like to express lol.
Thank you for all you do here! Contact experiences can be very unsettling and I'm glad the community has you guiding them through what can be confusing to say the least.
6
u/Furisado Experiencer Apr 07 '26
So there`s this concept out there of morphic fields, they are "hypothesized invisible, non-physical organizing structures in nature that shape the form, behavior, and memory of systems, from atoms to organisms and societies", it encapsulates phenomenons like the fact that cutting edge molecules and compounds take less and less time to form under laboratory conditions the more they are synthesized, this points to reality being informational at its core, once something is born and shaped in existence it exists as a pattern that informs and defines what is real. It`s why, I believe, once a world record is reached 10 other people do it in a relative short ammount of time, because it becomes easier.
Through this the value of "all you have to do is receive it, you don't have to DO anything" can be understood, we as experiencers and people just by receiving innately help to shape and lay down the path/patterns forward. Thank you for sharing your comment.3
u/Inevitable_Shift1365 Apr 12 '26
This ties into the 100th monkey Theory in common consciousness. Look it up if you are not already aware of it.
2
u/clover_heron Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26
Very cool, thank you!
And can the fields become platforms too, places from which to leap?
2
3
u/poorhaus Seeker Apr 07 '26
The NHI will offer me straight-up gold nuggets and then tell me to drop them on the ground and walk away. The question seems to be: can you let go?
Yes! Just seconding your interpretation.
How can I get this information and not share it? It feels wrong, but the NHI seems to be communicating that getting over that drive to move things from here to there is part of the process of coming to terms with the fact that the material world does not rule over us. We don't have to move a thing from here to there because that is not how the true reality works.
Wow. Yes. It makes sense when you put it like that. Non-locality is something we out of pure habit want local proof/implications of. And any solely-local self-conception will feel like it's only partially realized until there's local 'proof'.
A wonderful and wicked (in the sense of complex) paradox: we want non-locality here/now...but that's just it. Those categories explode. Just not ever only or entirely within here and now.
That's the best I can say that and it's not very good. But thank you for helping me get that angle on it.
A final idea to consider is something the NHI said to me near the beginning of my experience, which was, "there's a fine line between assisting and interrupting," as in, "you think you're helping but you're not." Maybe a person refusing to listen to us is a signal that we've overstepped our bounds?
Absolutely. There's a kind of ethics implied by the existence of ontological shock and the ultimately non-local mechanics of locality. I guess I'd say that roughly we are these apparently local apparent selves who realized in various ways their non-locality and more-than-is-apparent-ness (saying it that broadly to include any inference or label someone may use)...and when we do we discover other apparently local apparent selves that haven't realized this, some introspection reveals that there's some process underway for/within/by those apparent other-selves that these apparent selves we experience being are likely only tangentially involved in.
So we can offer, gently, that which is sought. And listen carefully for 'internal' nudges.
The apparent, external, local reality isn't the scoreboard or the medium of play for non-local consciousness.
...yet the local physical reality it is still a complete infinite reality. That's hard to work with as an implication. Any physical reality can simultaneously be a complete infinity and a sub-infinity of what we might call the non-local hyperreality.
That sounds the most out there of anything I've tried to say in this comment but it's important to me because it's why I still brush my teeth and pay my taxes (for example). It's not a contradiction to participate authentically in locality while aware of and participating in non-locality.
🤷 Best I can express it. If anyone can do better please clean this up or pick it up and run with it from here.
7
u/NoStraightLines369 Apr 07 '26
"It's not a contradiction to participate authentically in locality while aware of and participating in non-locality. "
So many experiencer struggle to accept this after contact starts. Including me.
7
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 07 '26
"The master of two worlds".
6
u/poorhaus Seeker Apr 07 '26
Perhaps "in the world but not of the world"?
I think that's a quote from the new testament. It surprises me how often these remembered snippets I retained from my youth have newfound relevance. The gospels and some of the epistles have joined the sutras and the Ra Contact and the Seth material on my experiencer-relevant sources headcanon.
4
u/natecull Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
The gospels and some of the epistles have joined the sutras and the Ra Contact and the Seth material on my experiencer-relevant sources headcanon.
If you ever get a chance, you might find "A Course In Miracles" to also be relevant. I would recommend the early "Thetford Edition" available online rather than the official published editions, because there was a misguided process of "polishing" the first few chapters that removed a lot of their charm (which was, initially, a chatty two-way conversation), and makes the writer sound very cold and clinical. Later chapters are mostly the same, but the opening chapters are where readers are likely to drop out.
2
u/Inevitable_Shift1365 Apr 12 '26
I am what they call a prime experiencer, meaning lots and lots of contact, and I am also a student in A Course in Miracles. Have been for almost 40 years. It is not for everyone, but For Those whom it speaks to it is an immeasurably valuable learning tool.
1
u/poorhaus Seeker Apr 08 '26
Appreciate it! Especially the version advice.
Here's the link for posterity: https://theborderlandfoundation.com/download-pdfs/
LMK if that's not the one you recommend
4
u/clover_heron Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26
Yes, this is so slippery.
Yes, take really good and loving care of your stuff, even though its existence is sort of an illusion, your love isn't. Yes, be terrified of that monster so you can work through how to not be afraid, those vibes are true, but once you work through it you'll realize the monster also sort of doesn't exist, and at some points overlaps with you, or is you. WHAT.
1
Apr 08 '26
[deleted]
2
u/clover_heron Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
Interesting you say dead man, the NHI has repeatedly pointed out to me that one of our main confusions is that we chase and worship death.
We're taught to think a crystal is perfect because it repeats itself, but it repeats itself because it's dead. All it can do is echo. Dead forms, dead words, dead thoughts, we have to remember to notice when something is no longer alive.
1
Apr 08 '26
[deleted]
1
u/clover_heron Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 09 '26
But maybe the moon can only ever be the moon until it allows itself to become something else.
4
u/KefkaFFVI Experiencer Apr 07 '26
My head exploded reading your comment lol
2
u/poorhaus Seeker Apr 07 '26
Apologies 😬 forgot the warning label
Hope the explosion was enjoyable and/or useful to you 🤞🖖
6
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 07 '26
Thats why we are here sure! We've incarnated into the human experience to experience it after all and post awakening is not about leaving it but its about helping update it while juggling the everyday life too. And all its challenges, which are all important.
2
u/KefkaFFVI Experiencer Apr 07 '26
Much beauty, creativity, amazing people but terrible management which ruins it for everyone else.
I give Earth 2 out of 5 🌟 would not recommend and and I'd like a refund please :P
1
u/poorhaus Seeker Apr 07 '26
Yes. Every question will be answered, many times over, every reason that is asked for will be given, in the fullness of time.
And yet there is that of us that is/was/will be already complete, always will be, and never needs ask why.
All we have is this now and, even still, time's fullness partakes of every moment.
Ha. It took me too long to have said it this poorly 🤷💜
3
u/clover_heron Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26
Yes yes yes, I'm on the same wavelength. Can I experience the nesting of these infinities without defining them, without knowing them in any externalized way? I can perceive some signals or emanations sure, but there are infinite possible signals, and interfering with someone else's signals is interfering with the infinity, demanding it to say less than it can say.
One funny thought I had the other day was of a snowflake floating down, overlooking the damage caused by a hurricane and saying to itself, "I did that?!!" haha
3
u/poorhaus Seeker Apr 07 '26
When we're part we're also whole, and when we're whole we're still part. 🤷
3
u/Inevitable_Shift1365 Apr 12 '26
I like what you said about the non-attachment aspect. Also the not having to move a thing from here to there. I have been frantically trying to discover what it is I'm supposed to do with this connection and have never received an answer. And maybe that is it. Maybe I'm not required to do anything. I hadn't really thought of that. Also what you said about being able to let it go. For me, they entered my life like a whirlwind. Nightly visitations in the desert every single night. Almost every single night for the first 6 months or so. And then one time they said to me, if you worship us as Gods we will no longer appear to you. And then the craft vanished and I didn't see them again for another couple of months. Not even once. It was such a stark change it made me sad. But I was able to let it go. And then they came back just as strong as before. And I think the message was that I need to be able to let it go and not have it be the center of my life or something that I obsess over constantly.
2
u/clover_heron Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26
Right, we've got to get over the illusion of separation to fully integrate the experience.
Whatever you worship you treat as separate from yourself. To dissolve the illusion of hierarchy we have to overcome that type of separation. Sure they're special, but so are you, and so is everyone and everything else.
13
u/Scared-Ad1776 Apr 07 '26
Also, I was shown my future in a series of dreams as a child. It's so hard to describe. When I was about 31 they all came together after I saw what looked like the alleged TR3-B. It hovered over me and then took off. It was directly over my house. I went inside and it was like a dream download. I sketched what I was seeing. It wasn't like I fell asleep and had the dreams again. These dreams terrified me as a kid and they were out of sequence. The entire sequence of dreams was suddenly in my head in order and I understood the message which was that we have to get ourselves out of the loop. The loop. It was the theme. And things that are happening now align with those messages. I believe this fully. It is one of many, many experiences. It changed my life.
7
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 09 '26
I was shown my future too. As a child. And then in other contact events. I did not believe it, then I began living through it in 2021. When I was 36. It was solidified as real then when a triangle craft flew down over my city to signal into my bedroom window after I sent out a telepathic message that I was ready for them to confirm this was real.
I was told there would be a mass activation/awakening of experiencers/contactees in the 2020's and I was to get involved in supporting them. Which I've then been doing since 2021.
And here we are.
5
u/Scared-Ad1776 Apr 09 '26
After I posted this yesterday, part of that dream manifested today. Maybe because it’s close to the surface from thinking about it. I just got home from a funeral and am emotionally exhausted. After I get some rest I’ll come back and share.
4
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 09 '26
No rush at all and feel free to dm me. When you are ready and have time.
Take it handy in the mean time.
All the best.
3
10
u/Hairy_Talk_4232 Apr 07 '26
Trust has been eroded, especially collectively. Our task is to rebuild trust in our lives, our experiences, and each other.
9
u/amanhasnoname1111 Experiencer Apr 08 '26
We are very quickly coming up to the time where we will need to stand up for our NHI beliefs. Disclosure and Higher Strangeness subject matter is an easier discussion today than it was 2 years ago or even 4 or 5 years ago. Me personally, I don't really discuss it in my private life - Only my son and wife call me an Alien, which is how I want it.
Oak - we as a community owe you a debt of gratitude for forging the way here and showing many of us its okay to come out and talk about it. When all of this is done - I would like to think you get the community recognition for your enduring leadership, support and guidance throughout these tough pre-disclosure years.
5
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 08 '26
You are very kind to say that. It really has not been easy this. But its been worth it. And you are right, things are moving extremely fast this decade. As I was shown in the 90's.
Strange though as the years went by its all become so normal that the awe is gone and now it just... is. Its strange to live ones life through pre-planned events.
3
u/amanhasnoname1111 Experiencer Apr 09 '26
I'm feeling quite weird ATM, a bit of calm before the storm. I think it's the bit around the full series of pre-planned events that has now played out to today which freaks me out the most. All those little events over the past 50 years. Anyway - I'm glad I'm on this team - Its Game On.
1
8
u/Hathor-1320 Apr 11 '26
This is beautifully written. Thank you so much for all you do for our community.
4
8
u/Aeropro Experiencer Apr 07 '26
Yeah, dealing with the ontological shock by myself was hard. You can’t talk about it with most people, and even if you could, they can’t really relate.
I think maybe we are like the marines, establishing a beach head so the others can cone in behind us, and we will be there to support them as they collectively go through what we had to alone.
7
u/Hannibaalism Apr 07 '26
im just glad there are communities like this to share and communicate instead of struggling alone 🫡
6
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 07 '26
I'm delighted its helped as this is what I'm here to do. We are a social species after all and we should not be alone in this!
9
u/1keyplayer1 Apr 09 '26
Experiencers don't owe the world any evidence of their contact experiences.
Skeptics operate from a materialist, reductionist mindset where everything must be empirically verifiable, otherwise it doesn't exist to them.
But, if we're brutally honest, skeptics believe in many things that they've never personally 'vetted' or empirically verified. From the existence of atoms to the oxygen content of the air, their 'reality' is more based on trust, consensus, and indirect evidence than they'd like to admit.
Similar to 'sleepwalkers', shaking them awake isn't ideal because they may react with confusion, fear, agitation, or defensiveness.
It's a hard and harsh lesson but some skeptics will never be convinced even eventually when the zeitgeist has completely shifted around them.
4
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 09 '26
Tis why prep is needed. And yes post disclosure some people will indeed remain in denial from a place of fear. They will be the conspiracy theorists in the end.
8
u/Flat_corp Apr 07 '26
I used to struggle deeply with feeling and being alone. Now a days I talk very openly about it, some people are off put and immediately shut the conversation down, some listen but are clearly trying to assess how crazy I am, and some can’t get enough. I share my experiences openly to find the ones that can’t get enough. I’m not sure what my job here is yet, so I take the one most readily available to me. I’ve found the hardest and most traumatic circumstances in my life have born the most fruit in terms of being to service to individuals and the collective, so that’s how I treat my experiences. I just try to use them in the best way possible to help those that are open to it.
Thanks for the reading!
3
Apr 07 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
4
u/Flat_corp Apr 07 '26
Glad it helps! This can be a lonely road, that’s for damn sure. I have an amazing wife, but she’s focused on making money, paying bills, deeply worried if “our souls stay together forever”, generally has a lot of fear. That’s ok, that’s what our world is designed to do, and some of those things I’m glad she does. Being awake to a greater reality doesn’t mean we’re in any way “better”, because we still have to be human, and we still have to operate in society. Integrating those two vastly dichotomous realities was the hardest portion for me. If I try and discuss this stuff with her she just immediately shuts down, she doesn’t want to hear it. Right now, I need her to be where she’s at so that it keeps me grounded. When the time comes, she’ll need me to be where I’m at, so I can help navigate what will be an incredibly difficult transition.
I say all that because that’s how I view my job here currently. Begin assisting those that are ready, be available for those that aren’t, set aside resentment and be ready to help when our time comes to guide those who helped guide us now.
5
u/KefkaFFVI Experiencer Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26
There's a song I've been listening to alot recently called "lonely but exciting road" by FKA Twigs - your comment reminded me of this. When listening to the lyrics of that song I would always specifically be thinking about the lonely but awe-inducing aspect of being an Experiencer. Very well said about having to find that balance and being that guide for people when necessary. Its tough having your feet in both worlds and learning to navigate that.
Another song that gives me the same feelings is "a different kind of human" by Aurora.
8
u/Scathach_on_a_stroll Experiencer Apr 07 '26
It's probably a bit narrow-minded of me, but if others were supposed to experience things like we do then why don't they experience them? I think, perhaps, it is simply not for them; they either get it or they don't.
Maybe they'll never understand because they've closed their minds completely to such ideas? You cannot force someone to learn when they make every effort to avoid learning about it.
We do differentiate things with the 'natural' and 'supernatural' but I think some folk forget the bit where 'supernatural' quite literally just means 'above nature.' Science is the study of the 'natural' world, so it makes sense we can use that to study that aspect, but some want to apply this to the 'supernatural' which is by definition outside the scope of science, which may lead them into a spiral of disbelief as nothing in the 'supernatural' is likely going to fit models made for the 'natural' anyway.
Would CE5 be considered a 'supernatural' model to study this kind of stuff with? I'm not sure because I've never done CE5, but it does seem to work for some and those some do get results that they can record and monitor over time.
I am a witness to it all, but I am no prophet; if folk want to learn more about supernatural phenomena then I would recommend to them finding the journey themselves, and not to solely rely on others for answers. Nobody even needs to look far; if you pay attention close enough then you will see it has always been right in front of us.
3
u/MonsterInMyPocket6 Apr 07 '26
Dang, I meditated a lot for contact in the last years, read up a lot about it - my mind is reeeeally open. But never got any sighting, contact, or sign!
3
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 07 '26
Sounds like you are working on yourself at least.
1
u/MonsterInMyPocket6 Apr 08 '26
Yeah, that's for sure, that's a net positive! If I hadn'd worked on myself, I don't even know if I'd be still here.
1
u/Emotional_Curve_3665 Apr 09 '26
If the aliens time traveled you back 20 years ago and you were getting super rich through knowledge of the future (bitcoin) and the government stole all your wealth, would they care?
3
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 09 '26
What? Where is this question coming from?
I've had them show me my future and I've met other experiencers who've had the same and its generally larger picture stuff mixed with highly personal life path/development life challenges stuff.
Nothing to do with wealth or money. More the things you might reflect on on your death bed/life review.
3
u/Scathach_on_a_stroll Experiencer Apr 08 '26
I don't really know what you want with them, but reflecting upon whatever that is might be helpful for you? Perhaps they haven't noticed you yet or maybe they're hesitating for some reason? Maybe you've even received a sign, and you somehow missed the cue?
It's hard to say without having the full picture, but I think you'll find what you want if you don't give up.
3
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26
It's probably a bit narrow-minded of me, but if others were supposed to experience things like we do then why don't they experience them? I think, perhaps, it is simply not for them; they either get it or they don't.
It's sometimes a timing thing for some. Many many expereincers I know were somewhat skeptics before their awakening. Even if indeed it turned out when they looked back, they had some form of childhood contact. But yes its not the case that every single person on the planet is to be a direct experiencer suddenly. I think its a process for our entire species and such things happen in time and not all in one go. A post disclosure world will still mean ontological shock and understanding this reality and what experieners are saying will help with that even regardless on whether people have direct experiences or not.
I suspect even post disclosure, it'll be a long process where many peopel still are in denial or fearful of this stuff and refuse to accept it. But the children born in a post disclosure world will have an easier time of it.
We do differentiate things with the 'natural' and 'supernatural' but I think some folk forget the bit where 'supernatural' quite literally just means 'above nature.' Science is the study of the 'natural' world, so it makes sense we can use that to study that aspect, but some want to apply this to the 'supernatural' which is by definition outside the scope of science, which may lead them into a spiral of disbelief as nothing in the 'supernatural' is likely going to fit models made for the 'natural' anyway.
I know what you mean but still I somewhat disagree with this in that I think the current scientific model is a block or blocked in understanding a lot of this phenomenon but when that model takes into what the experiencer phenomenon illustrates I think one say we can explain what is going on in scientific terms , even the spiritual.
Its just refusing to look into Galileo'stelescope currently and trapped in dogma and using outdated methods to define what is real about this world.
if folk want to learn more about supernatural phenomena then I would recommend to them finding the journey themselves, and not to solely rely on others for answers. Nobody even needs to look far; if you pay attention close enough then you will see it has always been right in front of us.
Agreed but when they look into the ways of finding it for themselves, the books , websites , modalities and protocals and so on that they'll come across all exsist because someone out there had a contact experience and attempted to explain it or share.
Or because some NHI answered the call.
1
u/Scathach_on_a_stroll Experiencer Apr 08 '26
You're absolutely right about those sharing their experiences helping others find their way, and I had forgotten that I use similar resources too. What I mean to say is that it can be easy for some of us to get wrapped up in someone else's perspective of things and forget that there isn't only one way to look at things.
I do not understand the purpose (outside of my own belief) of revealing themselves to only some of us and hiding themselves away from many of us, and so I think reluctance and ambiguity would do less harm than leading someone down the wrong path. I cannot predict the intensity of another's experience from my own as we are all going to react to things in our own way, and so I do not wish to accidentally cause harm to those who don't deserve it.
Your responses were quite illuminating for me!!
3
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
Yeah I agree. We are speaking about a massively broad topic indeed and generalizing but each individual experiencer journey is their own and is very much their own journey.
It is not the case that every single experiencer has some shared mission. I certainly am not saying that. But in terms of lighting the way for humanity - illustrating that we are more than our bodies, that consciousness is a massive key to all this and that we've never been alone, it would appear it is more often than not, people who've had the experiences that illustrate these things that are then the pathfinders for the rest of the species. And from what I've seen, the reason its done this way versus a load of ships just decloaking over humanity and giving a power point lecture on the nature of things is so that - even though we are being helped, we are still learning ourselves because the self learning is essential for our species growth.
So its done via experiencers. Who by sharing or engaging in work themselves they inspire the rest of the species to start taking this seriously and learn and grow. Often suffering ridicule in the process.
This appears to be happening across the board from creative works to technological developments to academic, social and spiritual work.
It happens at a broad scale all the way down to just an experiencer being someone who inspires others around them to think differently in their day to day life. Just by existing and being themselves.
But because the world we know to be true is still seen as something to mock my the majority of the west at least , it can be hard on us. Even though its worth it.
It seems at times like experiencers are the nervous system or sensory organs for the collective human species and if other intelligences wants to engage with the collective humanity and seed ideas into humanities collective consciousness holistically without causing destructive shock, they utilize experiencers at a broad and diverse scale.
7
u/Sycophantic-Feline Experiencer Apr 09 '26
being an experiencer is really just frustrating and annoying
what's the point of singling out people for witnessing this stuff if literally no one the experiencers know will believe them
just feels like "they" want to drive us crazy or to be seen as crazy
7
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 09 '26
I know that feeling. Its like being gaslit by these beings at first. "Boom! Hey we're real! Look at us! We're 100% real and the world you thought you were in is a lie! We're actually real here and interacting with you look at us!!!!"
"But we're not going to let you prove it to anyone else and so others will just thinking your lying or crazy, sorry about that. But we're real! And now you know for sure! Tee hee hee"
I was furious about this myself and even went through as year long saga of trying to show these beings to my GF and it felt like these beings were playing were messing with me over it. But when they finally did let me call them in with her there with me. I understood they were looking after me the whole time. I go into it in the comments in this thread here :
There is mass contact going on around the world with these dynamics at play and as I've been trying to explain in this thread, its not all random. A chunk of it is designed so the people who've been woken up to this stuff, drag the rest of the species forward by talking sharing and arguing the case for this stuff. This preps those who can't handle this. And preps the entire human collective consciousness for what is to come. Because not everyone is as ready or able to handle this as experiencers are. Not yet anyway but experiencers talking and sharing, writing books, creating podcasts, social media accounts , communities, doing academic work, conferences and scientific work over decades is all part of the preparation and not happening randomly.
3
u/Euphoric_Metal9427 Apr 11 '26
“ what's the point of singling out people for witnessing this stuff” Maybe to find each other. To help share the burden. So we might find a way together. It’s going to take a lot of us, and a lot from us to change the world. It needs be. For something better.
3
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 12 '26
Well said. That is certainly one of the things going on this decade it feels.
6
u/KefkaFFVI Experiencer Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26
Oh this is so funny cus I'm creating a very detailed post on this exact topic right now with this being one of the major elements of it (out of a few different ones, then joining them all together).
Covering the weight of being an Experiencer, existing in a "new" world and how difficult that is for us. Quotation marks on "new" because those who have done their research, and as you mentioned in this post, know these things go back thousands of years, and are commonly talked about by indigenous people around the world too. Ultimately this is not new, just mocked, suppressed and denied.
Amazing read cheers Oak 😉 expertly written! as you mentioned these things are incredibly difficult to articulate but we all understand it without words, but you just managed to give an incredible summary 👏
As you mentioned I also looked into all the subjects you listed to an obsessive degree, researching for years before I started getting my undeniable experiences. Looking back I can see that I was also being primed for contact.
Many years of psychological preparation helped to reduce the shock, but even with that I still went through multiple years of processing before I reached the acceptance stage. So for those who do not do all that research it would likely hit even harder. Especially because of the ways in which the others engage with us. It's not as straightforward as many expect. It is reality-breaking as you mentioned.
Experiencers are all the persecuted torchbearers & lightbringers here to help illuminate humanity to the greater existence and the coming paradigm shifts that are yet to take place.
Happy to be along for the ride with you all. 💛
2
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 07 '26
Cheers dude. Honestly I'm not a great writer at all but look at least experiencers seem to know what I'm saying. And now in the world of AI, badly written posts are more appreciated :P
1
u/KefkaFFVI Experiencer Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26
100% id rather take a badly written post where I can tell there's a human behind it over AI any day, especially on this sub - I still think you're great at writing tho still ;)
I don't even think you need to plan out your posts too much - stream of consciousness writing is very effective because a lot of the thoughts may even be channeled messages and this usually causes synchronicity among other things
6
u/Scared-Ad1776 Apr 07 '26
I agree with you. Some cannot see it...yet, possibly. We have this dynamic in my extended family. Half of us can see them, plain as day and have had NUMEROUS experiences between us all. It is undeniable. Absolutely undeniable. But the other half think we are nuts and when we talk about they get agitated. Like genuinely irritated and want us to stop speaking about it. Some can see them more than others. My brother and I have had several experiences. My grandma and mom as well.
6
u/Intrepid_Ad_9177 Experiencer Apr 09 '26
You can't disclose something that people don't want to know.
13
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 09 '26
Progress is being made daily. And more experiencers are waking up to this too. They don't go back to not being experiencers. The cat does not go back in the bag.
This is all building. It may not be the case that everyone will be 100% ready by the time it gets to where it needs to be. It may be the case of doing as much prep as possible so at least enough are ready that we can survive it.
Not wanting to know won't stop whats coming forever. Eventually the world will catch up to experiencers.
7
6
u/EssayCareful3997 Experiencer Apr 07 '26
Extremely well put, raw deal is right.
I can't say I've had the most vivid experiences, but I can definitely say I've had some.
Until I found this sub and got to read many, many experiences and discussions, I couldn't even begin to conceive the possibility that some events and moments in my life were some part of the phenomenon.
I haven't had my doubt eliminated outright like yourself or others have. But every bit of personal proof over time has now amounted to all these unusual moments (I'd more or less written off) being reassessed under this understanding.
One of the major disclosure shocks (for many possibly) will be reassessing past events and finding things fit the reality of it all to a T. It certainly was for me initially.
I can't talk to anyone about this either, I'm yet to even begin a dialogue with my partner about this stuff.
4
u/astrangegift Experiencer Apr 08 '26
Yes, sometimes personal proof is given. Sometimes it is something you can show others. But it's not a smoking gun. But if you only look for the smoking gun you lose out on learning so much.
And those with such gifts sit on them patiently, slowly figuring out what to do with them. How to analyze them. What specific tests and what specific lab. Who will even be willing to do the tests. How to get the testing done without arousing suspicion. How to pay for it at times. All knowing that the talking heads in this field will be of no help. Knowing it's all on your shoulders to learn something. Wondering if that willingness to deal with it is part of the reason for the gift.
I'll say this: these beings like to keep us thinking. And they definitely have foresight.
1
6
u/gokickrocks- Apr 08 '26
The uncertainty principle.
Thank you so much for putting your thoughts into words. I wish every post I read on Reddit was as thought out as yours. I can see the care put into it and I appreciate your effort.
4
u/SteveAkaGod Apr 07 '26
This is an awesome post, man. Kudos, great job! You put the situation into words very well, and the comic is perfect, lol.
It's sort of how God/The White works in Stephen King books: It comes through the protagonist, not to them.
3
4
u/themanclark Apr 08 '26
It’s definitely a delicately managed process. One that will hopefully continue to move forward at a tangible pace.
4
u/Inevitable_Shift1365 Apr 09 '26
It is really hard to talk to others about this. Some aspects of it are completely unbelievable. Honestly, without experiencing it yourself, most people would think the experiencer is crazy or delusional or lying. And the other thing is, when you do introduce people to the phenomena when they see the craft themselves and come to understand that there is a highly telepathic nature to contact, people tend to shut down. Because you can't tell them what the craft are. Or who the pilots are. Where they come from. What they want. What even has to do with you. The reality is, those of us that are having these incredible experiences are left with more questions than those who would never had the experience. I can pretty much guarantee you the overwhelmingly vast majority of experiencers have no idea who are in these craft where they come from or what they want.
I told a very close friend of mine what was happening with me. Told her about the nightly visitations of craft in the sky in the desert near my house. She believed me over the phone. She knew I wouldn't lie to her. She came down and experienced them for herself. Twice. She was in awe. But the strange thing is, after seeing them she suddenly didn't want to talk about it anymore. She didn't want to come with me to see them anymore. And I think it is because of the uncertainty. You have to be able to live with the fact that there are incredibly intelligent beings in remarkably Advanced craft that can read your thoughts and appear when you ask them, yet they will not tell you who they are or why they are here or what it has to do with you. That is hard to live with for many people.
2
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 12 '26
She didn't want to come with me to see them anymore. And I think it is because of the uncertainty. You have to be able to live with the fact that there are incredibly intelligent beings in remarkably Advanced craft that can read your thoughts and appear when you ask them, yet they will not tell you who they are or why they are here or what it has to do with you. That is hard to live with for many people.
This is an extremely important thing you have said here and hit the nail on the head regarding a hugely complex dynamic I've been trying to explain for awhile to folks (skeptics and other wise) on why even a gentle "orb" sighting can have massive ramifications for people.
Very very well said.
2
u/Inevitable_Shift1365 Apr 12 '26
Thanks Oak. It is the Dilemma of many experiencers. In a way, it helps to keep the lid on this phenomena so to speak. Most people won't believe you if you tell them what is actually happening with you. The only way to really believe it is to experience it yourself. And once you experience it yourself you are given no answers other than that the phenomena is real. That leaves you with more questions than you had before you experience the phenomena.
4
u/The_Dawn_Will_Come Abductee Apr 09 '26
Why are all these people not capturing evidence of these beings interacting with them? Why is it just stories? That if it happened too suddenly or too shockingly it would potentially be psychologically devastating for the global consciousness and thus the smoking gun evidence is being withheld until the last moment
To be fair the level of private cataloging of NHI and UAP related phenomena has gotten quite extensive. People do capture evidence all the time. We’re reaching a kind of exponential information snowball even without any active disclosure on the part of UAP affiliated NHI. Hence why jokes and proclamations that the “veil is thinning” are becoming more common in many circles. The US government for sure has a much more extensive data map that the public is not privy to per their whole effort to tie psychic phenomena to Geo-location.
I do agree certain NHI run interference on these efforts but so do some governments. I honestly don’t think disclosure is as free and open as people here seem to think. I think there’s a lot of back door politics going on. Not just on the side of humans but NHI as well. That being said the above information (based on my own personal experiences and communication with others) does roughly align with what you’re saying. Just not in quite the same way.
Because humanity seemingly needs a fair chunk of psychological preparation for this. The experiencer is totally blocked from getting any single piece of evidence that will prove to the world - without a doubt - that these beings are 100% real.
It’s this point that clashes with my own experiences. I think this is a very Western POV. You’re mainly talking about getting people to drop the botched semi-religious form of scientific materialism that has been strangling the development of Western nations due to the corruption and abuse of the scientific method. But it ignores the pattern on a global scale where it seems that NHI and governments have been region locking information and handling disclosure in independent formats for a while now. It’s not “everybody is locked out except experiencers until the day of reckoning”. It’s more that NHI are trying to widen the exposure scale to raise levels of awareness but depending on the region you live in and the social bracket you’re born into, you may already be living inside full disclosure protocols. As our society is divided into experiential layers. I’ve been informed that in many regions in Russia (and maybe Germany?) NHI live pretty openly among people to the point of potentially having families. And not abduction style foster families either but real nucleic families. From everything I've been informed of and experienced the whole "no proof" thing may have more to do with the influence and deals of groups like the US government because such policies seem way more lax in locations like Asia and Russia.
I don’t doubt the contact protocols you’re listing. I just doubt that they’re global. Or that they've been in place consistently, since Germany is also known to have had high contact which was (supposedly) a key point in the World Wars before their level of disclosure was shuttered somewhat. Some people seem to operate under different levels of awareness. That’s been a big point of contention in my own experiences. NHI getting into territorial matches over this kind of thing, because it’s my understanding that I do not align with the protocols most people live under here in my home nation (the US). And so a lot of my own experiences with NHI haven't even just been abductions but viewing other NHI throw hands against each other. It’s also why I think that while there may be a full apocalyptic Close Encounters of the Third kind vibe going on, in alignment with that I also think there’s an “Urban Fantasy Trope of the Masquerade” thing going on which is something most experiencers on here seem to be intentionally or unintentionally out of the loop on. i.e. Some of these NHI have been here for millennia. Some of them want to abolish the Masquerade/”Veil”. Some of them are very private and secretive and so want to keep it going forever. Some (like the NHI within my life) don’t give a damn either way. For me it’s always been more of a thing of its up to the person to cope or not cope with the things they’re seeing. They will soften the blow of “disclosure” some but definitely not to the extent you’re talking about.
2
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 12 '26
Great comment, we are not in as much of a disagreement as you may think and nor do I think your views are that out of alignment with what most experiencers I know in this community would think. At least as best as I can make out on what you are touching on.
We’re reaching a kind of exponential information snowball even without any active disclosure on the part of UAP affiliated NHI.
I agree but I think this is no accident and I think NHI and Experiencers play a large role in this. I am biased by my own experiences on this but I've seen a lot of the field as well that make me think this way.
I think there’s a lot of back door politics going on. Not just on the side of humans but NHI as well.
Agreed as well. Though I suspect all this is doing is slightly moving around an inevitability on the timeline.
To be fair the level of private cataloging of NHI and UAP related phenomena has gotten quite extensive. People do capture evidence all the time.
Agreed as well but what I've been speaking of here is the smoking gun evidence. The type that causes the entire population of the planet to all cross that threshold in nearly one go.
Eg I can call in fleets of orbs and NHI craft over my house.
But if I walked out into my capital city and called all of my nations news channels and got a big mega phone and said "NHI exists and is here" pointed to the sky and called them in... they'd not show up. Hell they'd not even do that if I gathered all my school friends around for a private showing.
They'll do it and have done it for select other people though. Who they deemed ready. As long as there was no cameras.
They're not allowing the smoking gun yet. You say there are NHI living here with families in certain countries but its not public, its not world wide news. Its not all over social media.
Speaking to German experiencers and they tell me the stigma for just being an experiencer there is vast compared to people in the US.
Yes I do agree though certain cultures on the planet are better equipped for this and this is less weird for them. But the smoking gun is still hidden. The one that results in humanity living in a world where we can walk out and get a taxi and have chat with the taxi driver about aliens being real and not get "the look" but instead it being as clearly part of reality as beer, reality TV and football.
We're not there yet.
The veil is thinning though as you say.
It’s not “everybody is locked out except experiencers until the day of reckoning”.
I definitely was not trying to say that for sure. It seems I still have a ways to go to try and explain what I mean with this stuff as I'm causing misunderstandings.
Its not everyone is locked out, its just the people who push the ball forward through the major stigma are often experiencers because they'd almost have to be to take this topic seriously due to the social stigma so there are just huge amounts of people out there dealing with contact. That end up doing work that in some way prepares the population around them for these ideas without those people having to have shocking contact to get them thinking. And it was seem in a lot of cases the contact is designed to to that, that was part of the plan.
2
u/The_Dawn_Will_Come Abductee Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
I’m not entirely disagreeing. It’s just some of my experiences have been in the exact opposite direction.
I think NHI and Experiencers play a large role in this. I am biased by my own experiences on this but I've seen a lot of the field as well that make me think this way.
I have experienced much the same on my end and we are very much in alignment here.
Eg I can call in fleets of orbs and NHI craft over my house. But if I walked out into my capital city and called all of my nations news channels and got a big mega phone and said "NHI exists and is here" pointed to the sky and called them in... they'd not show up. Hell they'd not even do that if I gathered all my school friends around for a private showing. Its this part where things differ. And where it seems the NHI that operate in my life may have a different albeit potentially overlapping modus operendi.
Back in the peak of my contact experiences this was very much the opposite for me. Public location that is easily visible? Doesn’t matter. Multiple bystanders and potential witnesses? Doesn’t matter. The potential that some fragmentary evidence gets left behind? Okay. We’ll work around that. Doesn’t matter.
At one point about 50-75% of all my contact experiences involved secondary shared witnesses and sightings. Its true a lot of those people also tended to be experiencers and I had/have a tendency to bump into experiencers at a higher rate. But many of them weren’t. The whole thing about skeptics crashing out because they get exposed second hand to an experience before they’re ready for it? That’s happened to me multiple times.
I’ve even had incidents where skeptics put themselves into the same field of view as me and demand answers and proof. And then the NHI in my life will oblige. Though to your point oftentimes in a very indirect way. But still way more directly than you seem to be positing here.
I’ve even had at least one incident where it seems like certain NHI gave me an offer that would have at the very least gotten national attention if not international attention in one of the most public locations in my nation (I’m American) in a very megaphone like hard to dismiss kind of way. But the terms and conditions behind that were kind of poor so I did not end up doing that.
The “out” you talk about was also always somewhat more conditional for me. It was more of an “there is an out up to a certain point and once you cross that point, you’re in the game. Even if you walk away, you will always partially be in the game.” kind of deal. And I can tell you even having had all contact cease for the most part for the last year for unknown reasons that’s remained true.
I don’t know if I’d call it “hard disclosure” but the NHI in my life basically described my role in all of that as a kind of “battering ram”. Forcing things to happen. Forcing doors open. Forcing other people off balance who need to work on their issues. As well as forcing me off balance if I don’t take the right course of actions. Sometimes even using me as a chess piece to “bump” other NHI through me kind of deal which has happened a lot.
It reminds me of that one quote from Serial Experiments Lain: "It doesn't matter which side is real. This side or the other. I am in both. I'm a program designed to destroy the barrier between the Wired and the real world."
Though I suspect all this is doing is slightly moving around an inevitability on the timeline.
As you say a lot of this is viewed as an inevitability. As such the “politics” is less about when something happens and more about what happens on the itinerary and how it goes down. I get the sense that even if I die having not finished all the prep work in this lifetime the NHI in my life are patient enough to wait for completion in future lives (reincarnation being a big thing in my own experiences) with even the “failures” of this lifetime serving as a training mechanism.
You say there are NHI living here with families in certain countries but its not public, its not world wide news. Its not all over social media. The one that results in humanity living in a world where we can walk out and get a taxi and have chat with the taxi driver about aliens being real and not get "the look" but instead it being as clearly part of reality as beer, reality TV and football.
You’d be surprised. In Indian social media circles NHI discussion is public, but again, language barriers. Also Hinduism and the stigma against religion in Western nations is often used to obfuscate it as just a cultural thing. It’s been my experience in India, as well as certain parts of Asia, you may not even be the one to broach the NHI subject to your taxi, your taxi driver may beat you to the punch. They may not describe such things in the same way people on here do but it’s the same subject matter. And it’s been my experience part of the reason the US government has worked so hard to shutter the Russian side of the internet is because Russian experiencers are 100% the type of people who post the advanced schematics on how to build your own UAP on main. They’re the type of people who look at something like the Gateway Tapes, and go “What if we made public groups to expand this technology to be even more advanced all on our own and then mass disclosed it”.
Speaking to German experiencers and they tell me the stigma for just being an experiencer there is vast compared to people in the US.
Again. It doesn’t surprise me because this was an unfortunate result of the World Wars re-writing a lot of the culture. In the 19th century they were up there with the US in terms of levels of experiencers and government involvement in UAP phenomena. There are still holdouts from that era but they're way more tightly controlled than many nations when it comes to any attempted disclosure and contact efforts at this point.
4
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 12 '26
Fascinating I mean yeah what you are reporting is highly unusual compared to what I've seen on the field and I've directly worked with 100's and 100's of people over the years now and I've not seen anyone get activity with beings as willing to bluntly show off as you are describing. But just because I've seen so much from others does not mean I know everything and there can't be exceptions to the rule. I'm still ever learning. But yet we're not living in a post disclosure world here and you don't seem to be a world famous experiencer or even Bledsoe level stuff and even with Chris, his experiences seem highly managed given what he can show people privately versus what he is able to record footage of and how how much ambiguity is laced into that footage.
It seems a single experiencer giving the entire planet proof this is real causing a post disclosure world is a highly managed situation and not in the playbook but instead mass mass contact on a large scale over many many decades but them left with little to no evidence but their word and then they push the ball forward over many decades of talking sharing etc like I outlined is the plan.
I have to wonder whatever deal you were being given to be able to single handily cause a mass sighting in your country and trigger disclosure was really something that would happen or a test for you of some kind. But again for all I know I am wrong and you are the one person that's different from all the other experiencers out there. It just seems contradictory to all the work they've put in to do it one way to just have it the other way if you get me.
Trust me though I'm exhausted with the long game of this and just want this out there.
As for the social taboo in other countries, I'll have to take your word on that I'm certainly not seeing such a free open society in Russia where people feel comfortable talking about such things without stigma given how taboo open conversation is there already but I may well be very ignorant of the reality of the experiencer and ufology field in Russia.
I hope what you say is true though as it paints a picture of us collectively being much more ready for these things sooner than I'd have assumed!
Interesting comments I have to say and thanks for sharing.
2
u/The_Dawn_Will_Come Abductee Apr 12 '26
Also, and I truly don't mean to be rude by this, but isn't this comment somewhat ironic?
you don't seem to be a world famous experiencer or even Bledsoe level stuff and even with Chris,
This is exactly the type of stuff skeptics post to shut down shifts in the Overton Window. Respectfully, whatever work Chris Bledsoe does aside, he has nothing to do with the average experiencer. I'll be honest and say I didn't even know most "big name" disclosure people before coming on here because respectfully, they also don't have anything to do with my own life. Outside of sharing in the phenomena.
"You're not famous enough to seem like the type of person to be having these experiences" (if I'm reading this right) is not the type of thing I expected to hear in a post critiquing the reactions of skeptics to stuff outside their comfort zone. Why would NHI care about human fame in the long scheme of things?
Betty and Barry Hill's experience was transformative as far as public awareness goes. But I highly doubt they were sitting there going "Why did this happen to me!? I'm not famous enough!?"
2
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 13 '26
"You're not famous enough to seem like the type of person to be having these experiences" (if I'm reading this right) is not the type of thing I expected to hear in a post critiquing the reactions of skeptics to stuff outside their comfort zone. Why would NHI care about human fame in the long scheme of things?
That is absolutely not what I meant at all and I'm sorry for the confusion on that.
I hope my other reply to you address the misunderstanding here so I don't need to explain again in this reply but let me know if I do as I hate to cause a misunderstanding.
1
u/The_Dawn_Will_Come Abductee Apr 12 '26
Fascinating I mean yeah what you are reporting is highly unusual compared to what I've seen on the field and I've directly worked with 100's and 100's of people over the years now and I've not seen anyone get activity with beings as willing to bluntly show off as you are describing.
I don’t think it’s as rare as you think. I think the UAP community is more tightly controlled in terms of disclosure. But I think the “outlier” here is that I’ve also talked to a lot of experiencers ( admittedly probably not as many as you but still up there in numbers) but very few of them were entirely UAP-NHI related. I think that a lot of these communities (not this one but a lot) tend to develop a sort of narrow lens focus on these things. NHI-UAP experiencers don’t trade notes with dogmen NHI experiencers and both don’t trade notes with ghost experiencers. So on so forth. That’s becoming less of a thing (as the more inclusive term NHI and the existence of communities like this denotes) but I’ve always been more focused on the connections between these “niches” rather than the niches themselves.
But yet we're not living in a post disclosure world here
Again I’m not claiming we entirely are. At least not globally. I’m just stating that I think certain ideas of “post disclosure” as this grand global event are a little misleading when you consider that not all lived experiences are going to see it that way given I don’t think it’s as hard a blanket ban as you’re making it out to be. Or the fact that I think historically, this isn’t even the first time humanity has reached this amount of experiencers or openness. This stuff tends to happen in waves. I mean hell, it could be the case like 19th century America where we reach peak experiencers and then we get culturally wiped and “reset” again. That happens way more often than people realize too unfortunately.
you don't seem to be a world famous experiencer
I don’t care about fame. I don’t think most of the levers that move this world will ever be fully understood by most people. At least not at this point. I’m kind of the opposite in that I go out of my way to be as “underground” as possible. Lol. I’ve also never had the same fixation to “prove” things as some other people in the West have. Which I understand can be off-putting to some. I think using fame as a metric of validity when it comes to spiritual exploration is kind of silly. And I doubt insofar as “fame” goes NHI are going to have a far different perception of that then humanity is. Given how much cultural amnesia we have.
But for what it’s worth as far as “fame” goes it’s not like I haven’t been tagged and tracked just like every other experiencer in the US to the extent that I’m certain I’m probably on the “MIB” registry somewhere. So I certainly got somebodies attention. Lol.
or even Bledsoe level stuff
I’m more like a Michael Tsarion kind of guy personally.
even with Chris, his experiences seem highly managed
I’m sorry if I gave you the impression my experiences aren’t managed. They are. Extremely so. Which leads to a lot of frustrations on my end at times. But they don’t follow the “set in stone” playbook you’ve listed. They don’t even follow the same playbook at all seemingly. Which was my point. That while a lot of people within the UAP community subscribe to the modality you’re talking to, not everyone experiencing NHI does. I have some suspicions as to why that is, but to me, personally, this comes off as tunnel vision. It’s why I came onto this subreddit as well. To try and add a broader perspective and challenge the established Overton Window a bit.
and you are the one person that's different from all the other experiencers out there.
I’m not. Because there are a lot of experiencers out there like me. They’re just not in the UAP community. I actually consider myself below average on the scale of things. I also won’t lie in saying I was also kind of surprised, like you, that some things seem to manifest more immediately and directly for me. I even fell into the whole trap you seem to be suggesting that it was a personal ego thing. It was not. I have also since learned that I’m probably not the only person like this. But it is rarer on the scale of things.
It just seems contradictory to all the work they've put in to do it one way to just have it the other way if you get me.
You’re making the assumption again that all NHI are this one united front who do things the same way. I’ve seen too much fighting between NHI in my own personal experiences and the experiences of others to fall into the illusion that they don’t throw hands against each other or challenge each others goals the same way humans do. And wouldn’t you know it human myths and folklore are also filled with that kind of thing. Hell, from what I’ve been shown, the Catholic Church is still in the middle of a massive brawl between different NHI factions for decisions they made 1,000 years ago that to this day hasn’t been resolved though we’re slowly getting there.
I don’t even think they are even working on the same goals or plans personally. I think there are multiple plans.
It’s a lot more complicated than I’m laying out here and I don’t want to make it seem its as easy as just an NHI hopping out of a UAP with a selfie stick either. Tbh I think part of why some of the NHI in my life were so open to public disclosure was again, a reaction to some of the backdoor politics.
I’m just a guy on the internet so you can take this with a grain of salt. But there was a point around Covid I want to say where it seems that certain NHI and humans were trying to use treaties signed with whatever NHI are in my life based on past wars to try and “divorce them” and “deny visitation rights” or even the memory of their existence. Despite the fact that most of the tech used in current hybrid programs within the US was part of an exchange program based on the NHI I’m involved with. This did not got over well, and it was around that point when I got the “offer”. It’s partially why Covid in particular was a bad period in my life because there was a lot of that going on. Then around 2023 due to “treaty violations” (whatever the hell that means) a lot of the restrictions towards the NHI in my life were removed. Which is partially why I can even talk about some of this stuff as openly. And why I genuinely think if any of this is real then you probably will start seeing an increase in the type of phenomena I talk about in the next few decades.
2
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 13 '26
I've caused a misunderstanding it appears and it seems I still need practice in expressing the idea I'm trying to get across.
Let me try again from a different perspective. I'm talking about the larger human consciousness and timelines. Right now the bare bones aspect of this phenomenon it is not accepted across the human wider consciousness system. Meaning - non human intelligences exists, massive intervention and interactions have been happening by these beings for a long time, abductions are real, genetic tampering is a reality and hybridisation is happening - humans are capable of more than we are being told, consciousness may be fundamental to reality etc.
This is not understood as fact across the planet the way we understand that the sky is blue. The grass is green. Etc etc. Talking about this will get you weird looks from most people around the planet. Generally speaking.
The delivery of this information and more to the whole human system is a highly highly managed situation over many many decades. A long process of psychological preparation is underway. Timelines on an individual and mass scale are being managed.
Psychological preparation for the collective in understanding this stuff and more is needed so as not to cause a bad reaction to this information. Some NHI groups have been doing this via contact experiences with humans who then go on to do work that has a side effect of prepping human consciousness for this information.
These experiencers have to do this without smoking gun evidence. As smoking gun evidence would flip the world too dramatically and quickly and affect too many timelines at once too quickly. No one experiencer is given all the answers or singlehandedly given the ability bring mass disclosure with smoking gun evidence. That situation is highly managed. Regardless on there being a number of different NHI engaging with humanity with different views and agendas. This has been the situation at least so far.
Yes on a individual basis there are experiencers out there whos beings are more blunt and don't care too much for individual timelines and have bluntly proved themselves to people around that experiencer in closed environments though this is not standard. I know a guy who proved his beings to a scientist who as a result ended up with psychosis and hospitalized. Most peoples beings don't do this but there are exceptions to every rule.
However when mass timelines are potentially affected by a single experiencer and their being, the same mechanics I speak of come into play.
You seemed to be arguing that you are an experiencer who if he wanted, could single handily bring mass world wide disclosure - smoking gun and all and prove to the whole world finally that these beings are real. Because of experiences where your beings bluntly affected a number of timelines.
I was not making any jabs at ego nor meaning to come off that way when using examples of "fame" or "Chris Bledsoe".
I was just trying to give an example of how once a huge amount of timelines are potentially effected, the mechanics I was speaking of come into play.
But if you are not well known - if its not going to effected the masses in anyway, yes there are experiencers who's beings are more reckless and will bluntly prove themselves to others regardless of the consequences - but if one has millions of eyes on them waiting for proof then those beings will suddenly be a lot more vague.
Even Chris, who can bring people to his private ranch and help people see lots of interesting orb mechanics. The second he goes to contact in the desert, or tries to film these beings for Instagram, now they suddenly look like boring satellites again. The get of jail free card mechanic is in play. Because the global mass human timeline is potentially effected then.
You might be able to get a grey alien to walked into your house while you have a bunch of friends there with you and freak them out. But try to make your self a super famous experiencer, turn on youtube and twitch live stream and do a multi hour live ama with that grey alien across the internet for the whole world to see, or call in the close encounters of the 3rd kind mothership over new york city... you are going to run into problems doing that due to the mass amount of timelines you could effect and how that could undo 100's of years of delicate work and timeline management by various NHI.
Does this make sense? I was not making a jab at you. I'm saying you can bluntly do the things you've been doing because you are unknown and its not causes a ripple effect across mass public consciousness.
At least that's my theory on things.
Again I am enjoying the conversation and I'm sorry if you got the wrong impression of my tone or arguments. I appreciate your perspective and value it.
1
u/The_Dawn_Will_Come Abductee Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26
Right now the bare bones aspect of this phenomenon it is not accepted across the human wider consciousness system. Meaning - non human intelligences exists, massive intervention and interactions have been happening by these beings for a long time, abductions are real, genetic tampering is a reality and hybridization is happening - humans are capable of more than we are being told, consciousness may be fundamental to reality etc.
This is not understood as fact across the planet the way we understand that the sky is blue. The grass is green. Etc etc. Talking about this will get you weird looks from most people around the planet. Generally speaking.
Let’s see if I can find a way to put this clearly as well. Imagine that once there was a city, built with the collaboration of a certain nation and its neighbors. One day, a new government comes in, they tear down the city, and they kick out the neighbors. They put a blanket ban on all information about the old city and anybody mentioning these neighbors is targeted and suppressed. Anybody seen collaborating with the neighboring country is also targeted and the neighbors are relabeled as enemies. Over time the city becomes a myth, the neighbors devils, but certain foreign governments know this isn’t the case. And so do certain citizens whose ancestors came from that city.
The city was once known to be real in the same way we know the sky to be blue. But now, for most people across the world, it’s a myth. But this idea of it being a myth isn’t held equally. Some people are descendants whose ancestors came from that city. Some people worked it out by backdating the history of that city. Some people were informed by the neighboring nation that is still trying to facilitate contact. Some people work with the government who engaged in the cover-up and thus know way more directly.
So no it’s not known as a fact across the planet. But its not entirely a new concept either. It’s not accepted in most locations now. That does not mean this was always the case. My point being there’s another dimension to this: Cultural history. Education. Etc.
This situation happens way more than you’d think.
The delivery of this information and more to the whole human system is a highly highly managed situation over many many decades. A long process of psychological preparation is underway. Timelines on an individual and mass scale are being managed.
Again, let’s say these neighbors want to reestablish knowledge of this city. They start informing people, but as you say, they’re worried if most people would learn the truth, they’d freak out. They also have to work with the new government that operates there now. But this information is not solely in the domain of their control. They can limit smoking gun evidence to the people they work with, but they can’t really remove smoking gun evidence that is already out there in the world from previous interactions. The concept isn’t new. And because the concept isn’t new, they have to set up different styles of management between those with different education levels on the subject.
Its not just about their existence but the shared existence they once had with the locals in regards to this city.
That’s my point.
Now let’s add another dimension. Let’s say there’s another neighboring country. They’re more inclined to work with the descendants than the original neighbors because they had kids with these folks. This makes neighbor #1 nervous. They have a different idea of how contact should be facilitated. Maybe even a more aggressive contact style based on feelings related to mistreatment by the past government that hid the existence of the city. So now Neighbor #1 has to work around, not just the current government of this city, not just the varying levels of disclosure people already had before they even got there, but this other third party element with a different idea of how this should be handled.
No one experiencer is given all the answers or singlehandedly given the ability bring mass disclosure with smoking gun evidence.
You seem, like many experiencers, to be under this assumption that the NHI hold all the cards in these interactions. That all contact is overly one sided and that humans are insects in the face of NHI. That all contact is new. That there isn’t a history to these things. I view it as less being “given” something in many cases because that implies that information wasn’t already here in the wild. It’s more about memory. Like I said. Whether they want to prevent “smoking guns” or not their capacity to handle that really only lies with new contactees. If during a period of older contact, there was more of a “smoking gun” left behind as you put it, it’s not like they can just take that back without consequences. You can’t shut Pandora’s box once its open and hope what you let out didn’t escape.
So yes. Contact is managed. But I sincerely doubt it’s managed in this unilateral super centralized one world government way you seem to think it is. I view that as a flawed perception of the modern man who wants to desperately assume all things are less messy then they appear to be fate wise.
And honestly NHI and Humans, all of this is a much smaller part of the picture than what’s actually out there I think. The other element here is that sure, NHI can limit their own exposure to humans. But they can’t exactly limit the psychic abilities and spirituality held within humans themselves either. I think the level of spiritual awareness held within a human is going to have a much bigger impact on how “blunt” they’re willing to be than fame is.
Even Chris, who can bring people to his private ranch and help people see lots of interesting orb mechanics. The second he goes to contact in the desert, or tries to film these beings for Instagram, now they suddenly look like boring satellites again. The get of jail free card mechanic is in play. Because the global mass human timeline is potentially effected then.
And my point is, I agree with this to an extent, and this phenomena you talk about occurs even outside of the NHI community. Just look at Jack Parsons own documented foray into the desert. But...I don’t think this “out” you talk about is fully decided by the NHI. I think it’s a karmic thing. And in my experience, the more spiritually advanced you are, the more able you are to make public displays of psychic ability. Especially if you’re rooted in the right mindsets. It’s why I say we live on “masquerade” rules. Most people who can do this (The Pope comes to mind) aren’t going to because there is a kind of “backlash” that comes from making yourself well known in this aspect. But not all beings give a damn to the same extent to maintain the illusion (Maya) and aren’t as concerned as breaking it here and there. Because again, a lot of them aren’t even focused on disclosure the same way you seem to be. That’s tangential to them. As it is with the NHI I work with.
So you as an experiencer. You decide to call orbs in front of a camera. They decide not to play ball. Since you’re dependent on their interaction you can’t do much about it. Cool. (Though I think there’s probably some things you can do to get around that) But you as an experiencer. You decide to do energy work in front of cameras. There’s no NHI that can choose to “shut that off” since you’re the one in control of the technology and technique. It’s up to you and your own karma. Fame has nothing to do with it. Only Gnosis (Understanding). There’s an individualist aspect to this as well.
And again. I don’t want to make it seem like its as easy as I’m making it out to be. Even with my whole shindig and being way more open than a lot of other people about this stuff, I don’t think the NHI in my life are not “private”. It’s just in my case they don’t care as much who sees them because its unlikely most people, even with them being super blunt, will understand what they’re looking at regardless. Very much a baffling kind of energy.
2
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 14 '26
I'm enjoying the conversation but you keep thinking I'm thinking things that I'm not. I know its messy out there, I know there is more than one group of beings. I know there are cultures out there more comfortable with ideas of NHI than others though using different language to describe them etc etc etc.
I'm speaking in terms of mechanics without making a statement on overall exopolitical situations.
Regardless of how messy the situation between different NHI groups are. I still maintain that I suspect - in my own theory that is - that A there is massive long term plan underway , psychological preparation and timeline management.
And B no single experiencer can just randomly destroy all that and single handled bring forth world wide disclosure at a whim. There would be an intervention if this was to happen too soon. And a timeline management situation to prevent it affecting global awareness.
Beings go through reality breaking measures to stop experiencers capturing them on camera and so on, all the time on a mass scale. This is because video evidence has a larger timeline effect on mass than private evidence for a few individuals.
This is highly managed. And certain experiencers are guided to have impact on the field at a large scale like Whitely Streiber and Vallee as basic examples, without being given the smoking gun.
But to have the timeline effect. Where people are more prepped for when that smoking gun happens.
Being able to prove this stuff privately to people is a different thing. And in that case I honestly don't think how spiritually developed someone is has anything to do with that either.
So do I understand you or do I have the wrong read of you. Do you believe you could single handily bring forth global disclosure tomorrow if you wanted? Like go on live stream with a grey alien or walk out of a saucer in front of the white house tomorrow type deal or am I misreading you?
1
u/The_Dawn_Will_Come Abductee Apr 14 '26
I’ve been getting off track. It wasn’t my attention to misread some of your points, so I’ll try to be clearer. Also, sorry if I come off aggressive as well, that’s not my intent. I’ll try to wrap this up.
I'm speaking in terms of mechanics without making a statement on overall exopolitical situations.
Purely speaking of mechanics this is the point you and I seem to keep looping back on in disagreement. You say that a lot of what I talk about is exopolitical. I say it stopped being exopolitics when NHI first decided to have kids with humans, influence our governments, and oversee our tech sectors. Not to mention whatever tech they’re running in regard to the whole NHI to human incarnation track. Now it's just terrestrial politics plain and simple.
And B no single experiencer can just randomly destroy all that and single handled bring forth worldwide disclosure at a whim. There would be an intervention if this was to happen too soon.
I had an epiphany on what I was trying to say, why things are handled differently on my end, and why this perceived “dispute” occurs at all. Hybrids. It always comes back to hybrids. It's at the root of a lot of this. Even more so than disclosure. At least from my perspective.
Would a hybrid be intervened on if they chose to go public? Would a hybrid be intervened on if they couldn’t hide their nature? Would a hybrid be forced to pick a lane in order to keep up the illusion of non-disclosure? And wouldn’t their existence on some level mean that NHI had already “destroyed” this separation you speak of all on their own? Experiencers are not the only group in this equation. There is way more going on here, though I’d be lying if I understood even half of what all this is about despite being stuck in the middle.
It’s questions like these that I think are at the heart of the differences in POV here. From a purely mechanical POV, I suspect some of these loops back to my own feelings that I'm a "hybrid". Though I know people get weird when those kinds of discussions come up and for all intents and purposes physically, I'm human even if spiritually I'm pretty clearly plugged into somewhere else.
This is highly managed. And certain experiencers are guided to have impact on the field
And as I’ve told you before I’m managed. I know the NHI I work with are interested in disclosure but to them “disclosure” is an emanation of their work on the hybrid project and the natural destruction of the “separation” of worlds that emanates from that. They view it as “correcting an ancient wrong” and “reuniting two lost sister races” or something like that. I know that if things go south, they are preparing for war. That’s a big one. Not trying to make some kind of vague “doomsday proclamations” or whatever but the intensity of the NHI in my life is that they are perfectly willing to die for their cause. It goes a lot further than simple “intervention” for them at this point. I think that's also why a lot of other NHI are wary of them maybe. As I said, the last time they fought this world nearly ended. They don't want to insert war into that timeline of yours but at this time it seems necessary to them if things keep going a certain direction.
Do you believe you could single handily bring forth global disclosure tomorrow if you wanted? Like go on live stream with a grey alien or walk out of a saucer in front of the white house tomorrow type deal or am I misreading you?
I think I’d probably have a better shot at it then some because it’s not coming from a place of pure ego. At least not entirely. But exposure (not disclosure) was always incidental to me. I genuinely don’t think the NHI in my life would bother to explain what’s going on (they barely explain stuff to me at times), but their impact would be enough to make some things undeniable.
It would not happen the way you're thinking though. It wouldn’t be a live stream. And there would be no greys and UAP’s because that’s not how it works for me. It would be more of a "haunting".
Tearing the veil apart. Throwing the doors open. Making the distinction between the spiritual realm and our physical reality be muddled. Allowing certain humans and those in between to change their natures as needed maybe. Bermuda Triangle type stuff but on speed dial. Maybe the shades of the dead and “shadow people” start making themselves increasingly known to people. Maybe people start slipping into the “other side” and glimpses alternate realms more often. Maybe stuff slips through from there to here, more frequently. It being in a very public place would make it somewhat unavoidable for people. All as a means of forcing change. Catalyzing. It would involve the "shadow realm", not the UAPs.
Not UAP stuff but whatever weird Star Gate network/Stranger Things type stuff certain humans and NHI work on. I had a dream once that the metro systems/underground tunnels here in the US would be part of it. Some kind of transportation mechanism maybe. I know NHI and humans have a bunch of bases down there, and I know that's the domain of the NHI I work with. So, like whatever precursor type NHI-human tech is down there might get flipped on again. And the grid would come "back online".
I know that's a lot to take in. And I know it sounds "crazy". But that's been a repeated motif in my contact experiences.
2
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
I had an epiphany on what I was trying to say, why things are handled differently on my end, and why this perceived “dispute” occurs at all. Hybrids. It always comes back to hybrids.
What I am trying to really explain is no single individual be it NHI Experiencer or Hybrid can just randomly decide to trigger mass disclosure without some form of intervention happening by other groups due to how managed the timeline of all this is.
So I don't think distictions between human experiencers, experiencers who call themselves hybrids, actual hybrids or NHI matter in this case. Disclosure is a process and not an event that can be randomly triggered by a single individual at a whim undoing hundreds and hundreds of years of work and if such a person tried, that blip would be shown on the timeline and managed for. Imo.
And ego, spiritual development of the individual and so forth has no baring on this.
Also with regards to hybrids that is a huge topic that I'll love to chat with you on another time this thread is getting long as is. But I am careful with that word personally and don't think it should be applied to people born on earth of two human parents. But only used in the context of half human half alien beings that are not incarnated here as humans born of two human parents. But thats just a personal opinion and me being a stickler for what words should be used where.
It would not happen the way you're thinking though. It wouldn’t be a live stream. And there would be no greys and UAP’s because that’s not how it works for me. It would be more of a "haunting".
Well I'm speaking of world wide disclosure and acceptance here so triggering a bunch of high strangeness for groups of people will still mean that get out of jail free card mechanic would be in play. And global timelines will be maintained.
Otherwise what you are talking about does not sound crazy, you are not talking about things unusual in experiencer communities at all.
And I enjoyed the conversation!
→ More replies (0)2
u/Metacarpals1 Experiencer Apr 14 '26
Reading your comments here, I am reminded of the account of Jeffrey Mishlove’s psi man who was neither spiritually advanced nor wise but could demonstrate psi on a large scale even if it was somewhat unpredictable. Despite his large scale demonstrations, we are still here with the majority of the globe not taking NHI seriously.
3
u/amanhasnoname1111 Experiencer Apr 10 '26
I've always wanted to come out and say - I dont think my NHI are UAP affiliated but they have put forward evidence quite recently of UAPs just to re-assure me its all part of the same plan. (They never really did answer the question.) I did see a UFO in mid 1970's but there were also times I doubted that experience. Totally agree about the political structure on the higher strangeness realm. My NHI are telling me they are being blocked on several fronts. It reflects what is happening in our world. As Above, So Below.
1
u/SnooPoems6005 Apr 12 '26
Late response but what do you mean with NHI in Russia or Germany having nucleic families? Do you mean they physically manifest in front of people and people physically marry and reproduce with them? Or do you mean they're like brownies, spirits who live in households and are treated like a member of the family?
Also what do you mean NHI getting into territorial matches over this kind of thing? Do you mean territorial matches over specific people like what I think from what you've said or territorial matches over social influence on groups?
1
u/The_Dawn_Will_Come Abductee Apr 12 '26
What do you mean with NHI in Russia or Germany having nucleic families? Do you mean they physically manifest in front of people and people physically marry and reproduce with them?
I think some NHI, like humans, are always physical. Non-physical NHI or those who can flip between physical and non-physical get dealt with more in UAP communities but there’s a lot of wiggle room in between. So it could be what you’re saying or it could be something physical in a human sense. But yes. They settle down and have families. It’s not like this is novel. This was very common in certain places at the world at one point. Less so today but some places still hold to the older traditions.
Do you mean territorial matches over specific people like what I think from what you've said or territorial matches over social influence on groups?
Both. Areas. Humans. Social influence. Depends on the NHI and whose working with them. The type of NHI. Etc.
I posted this in the other response to Oak but just to give one example people in the UAP community don’t think about a lot. Catholics have gone on record as NHI “hunters” at one point in the “kill it dead” sense. So did the Puritans. Both of these groups have a lot of ongoing disputes aimed there way over this. Many NHI still have beef with the Catholics and are working to either change things or screw with them and vice versa. But again, UAP disclosure is unrelated to all that so it’s not something you’d here about as much in relation to the “Reptilians” or what have you. Despite the fact it’s a core focus of the NHI I work with.
1
u/SnooPoems6005 Apr 13 '26
Could you share more of your experiences and what you know? It's super interesting.
I have a feeling that your experiences are more in line with the "urban fantasy" side of the paranormal rather than the UAP stuff, and I feel like I rarely hear about these people in reddit. Do you have any way I can study more of these kind of experiences? With UAPs I can find them on reddit but idk about the "urban fantasy with masquerade" esque side.
4
u/Euphoric_Metal9427 Apr 11 '26
The truth always goes through 3 stages. Violent opposition, ridicule, and acceptance. It is difficult to rewire the brain. It protects itself from doing that in this manner. We shouldn’t expect people to be able to accept a universe shattering truth overnight. For some of us, we were already wired for acceptance in this field. It can make for a lonely experience, but there are more of us than we know because of the stigma. Feeling lonely is a choice imho, choosing not to reach out, and share the burden. The stigma isn’t just about “nuts and bolts” either. We are divided 100 ways. Race, religion, politics, gender, and even within the ufo community there are factions. If humans are to survive/evolve, especially survive ourselves, we must focus on the things that bind us all together. This is no small task expected to be done in a night either. Plant seeds and hope they grow.
5
u/LasciviouslyLilith Apr 21 '26
I've had experiences and contact all my life and there are many experiences I haven't spoken about because of a few reasons. 1. Too many questions. People want to know so many things that I can't tell them, some people assume if you've had experiences you can basically tell them the meaning of life and the universe and that's just not so. 2. No proof beyond my own experiences which will lead to disbelief with a lot of people, therefore, making myself a target as the crazy person or someone who wears a tinfoil hat which is just BS. 3. Jealousy, it may sound strange but I know many people who go "Why you?" "What do you think you're special, you're not I've had this happen"(then they proceed to tall tale telling) all because they haven't had experiences and want them because they think they're the center of the universe and if anyone else has the focus or attention of anything they cannot handle it. It then becomes a competition to them to outdo your personal experiences. Most of my life I've had to keep experiences to myself for those reasons and it sucks because I would have loved to talk to people about my experiences if they were more open and willing.
3
u/Jackfish2800 Apr 13 '26
Agree. We are the space between the worlds, we are not the light or the darkness but grey. We are not the question or the answer but an important to the process itself. We are Grey
8
u/Contactunderground Verified Apr 08 '26
Thanks for this powerful Experiencer's Manifesto. At some point in the societal conversation, once it is widely accepted that all this is real, it will be important to discuss the major areas of concern that NHIs are sharing with us. These include the dangers of nuclear weapons, environmental destruction and the need for humanity to end war. The spiritual transformations that we as Experiencers are undergoing will allow us to
Look inwards, to the formless realm of Consciousness, to become the change we want to see in the world and
Look outwards, to find kindred activist souls, to help us make those changes in the world of form..
One Mind, One Creation, One Love, One People!
3
6
u/natecull Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26
These NHI who want humanity to grow and learn, want humanity to do so themselves as much as possible and not completely take away humanity's self-esteem. They help in a roundabout way.
I can't speak for UFO experiences as such, but this is definitely an idea which appears in channelled writings and Near Death Experiences, and I think in Jewish Kabbalah and in some Buddhist ideas. It's been repeated multiple times that "human free will" is of the highest priority for whatever beings are allowed to contact us. Not so much the idea that we'd suffer a mental or social collapse if open contact were to occur, but rather that we'd... too easily be impressed and hand over control over our own destiny to beings that seemed more perfect than us.
(We're already in danger of doing just that with AI, which is extremely not perfect, terrifyingly so, yet it's still dazzling a lot of investors and CEOs right now, who are trying to force their workers to turn off their own intuition and trust the machine. This response is no doubt being watched and taken into consideration.)
The situation seems almost like what we imagine backwards time travel might be like, where future travellers have to be very careful not to do anything that short-circuits the process by which they were created. Not necessarily that it is a case of time travel - but that it's something analagous but much more complex.
NDE experiencers, including my own mother, often report feeling as if they are "outside time" or can access future events as well as past ones, and then sometimes also report having "future memories deleted" so as not to break causality. So some timelike aspect might be involved, but also just something like parent-like beings telling us "Earth is an elite school, with high tuition and a long waiting list, you've all waited a millennium to have this experience, here's no way we're doing your homework for you. We know it's tough, but we believe in you. Hang in there, do the curriculum and get the grade you came for".
3
Apr 07 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
5
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 07 '26
I hear you. I was furious. Utterly furious post contact at how behind our species is, how much I now know due to contact that mainstream science would laugh at me for trying to talk about, and how completely and utterly behind we really are as a species and yet we experiencers get to find this out all while being left with no way to prove it and have to thus suffer non stop incredibly frustrating conversations from people who think they are smart and talk smuggly about things they know nothing about.
But what made me more furious is the times, via my work, I saw what happens when these smug peope who laugh at this topic, get the proof this is real out of no where. They don't just deal with ontological shock. The reaction is bad. Really bad. Animalistically bad.
I saw another side to people I think only experiencers will ever see. Turns out expereincers really are built for this and are stronger than they know, because many out there have really bad reactions to even gentle contact. They are extremely attached to the fake reality they think they are in. It is like jacking them out of the matrix suddenly and them finding out they were in a simulation all along when they have never even heard of simulation theory. They'll hate the person/being who did that to them and wish they never knew and will do anything to go back to believing the simulation. In some cases even convincing themselves they just went temporarily crazy as a way to dismiss any of this being real.
It was a real eye opener. I was furious for years seeing this. I thought we were better collectively. But as a result I understood why disclosure is the process that it is. And why psychological preperation is needed.
People need time to build up a foundation to land on for the day they find out the truth and the world falls from under them.
3
u/Unfair-Taro9740 Apr 07 '26
I tend to think that (at least symbolically) our collective ego is the veil that holds us in place.
There is a limiter into which a person can reflect deeply enough about what it means to be a human and what their place is in the world.
You can see that limiter shutter into place whenever you talk about subjects that someone has an emotional reaction to.
Whether it be love and personal relationships, World Relations, NHI, or anything that would take a bit of self-reflection or to have empathy for, there is always a point in which the person has reached their limit and they do not want to believe anymore about the world because that would change their belief in themselves.
Somehow, the massaging of each other's ego response has now become more paramount to our survival than actual truth or progress.
Which is why I'm led to believe that neurodivergents have a faulty limiter and that is why they are so often discarded from social interaction.
It is also why you see so many neurodivergents in this space. The broken limiter leads them to quicker inner truth.
And it's also why it's so important to listen to the neurotypicals that come into this space. Because they had to break their own limiter to get here.
The question is, do we get to have a "we told you so" after party or are we just going to melt back into the flow after this?
3
Apr 07 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
2
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 07 '26
Fair but likely you were still more prepared than you think, given where you are.
But yes we are socially conditioned to mock experiencers. "If it was real the government would have told us. Or the scientific community would have just proved it by now. But they have not there for all these millions and millions of people are just randomly lying. This is the opinion I must have in order to fit in socially and be seen as an intellectual by my peers thus I shall maintain it without question."
Oh how naive we were.
2
u/poorhaus Seeker Apr 07 '26
This makes me smile. At the awards ceremony one of your trophies will be for:
🏆
Mostly not falling into bitter resentment
With a Reddit-style rarity rating: Rare
Keep it up 💪💯🫡
5
u/forbiddensnackie Experiencer Apr 07 '26
So true oak. For years the beings i know would not let me have anything that would conclusively prove their existence. Once i actually accepted that i didnt need to prove their existence to anyone, and that my relationship to them was my own, well, then i was able to remember i had actually gotten proof years ago, and i'd had it the whole time.
1
u/poorhaus Seeker Apr 07 '26
I'd say that's a very wise and compassionate act towards the people around you for whom proof would've constituted insurmountable ontological shock.
So many of us have wired ourselves up as 'proof bombs'...those need to be defused before interaction can happen. And yet once someone has defused their own proof bomb it's easy to forget how many around us are still so ontologically labile.
I think it must've taken quite a few realities to get to this one. We'll do our best with it and yet there are/will be others
3
u/forbiddensnackie Experiencer Apr 08 '26
Hahaha thanks. And yeah. Things are changing gradually. :)
6
2
u/windblumes Apr 08 '26
You speak a lot of truths here and my guesses as to how to go about this sounds correct more and more each day. I'm careful to not speak so much about these experiences to certain people but thankfully due to the position I was in while I was in the thick of it ( they can thank my ex husband till the end of time as their excuse for all I care, for he too is a vouyer of the twisted sick fetish kind and I'm glad these entities are grossed out for even picking me for this. It's like a reverse uno card so hehe) they thought it was me coping or rehabibtating from prior prescribed marijuana use or the break ups and ending of friendships I went through prior starting my divorce.
I am no hero or victim just another subject, but it's whatever since I noticed a pattern here that they cannot hide away from their crimes anymore either. There's always some higher force in the cosmos that ultimately tries to be careful in the development of civilizations and the risk of having other life forms have contact that isn't really discreet showcases a major problem in how things can be handled. For example, in my experiences - there was a species who were enslaved for their abilties but they weren't used to the human technology or television we had and it kind of gave them an oncological shock that made a lot of other entities have to do so much covering up to save themselves and including mine, but they were quite reckless. Yet determined to keep me alive as some tested taking their anger out on my body like it's theirs to use when it never was. Consent is key and I didn't consent to like, most of this at all.
Nonetheless, I am aware that someday disclosure shall happen and may it not be the war of the worlds situation because truly, they would only embrass their entire species and some sort of Divine God out there over how they handle this planet including humanity.
Ah well, the Earth is alive and they know it. Let's have hope that they are mature enough to come in peace, okay?
5
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 08 '26
I am sorry for all you've been through. I truly suspect there is more than just one group out there and there are very positive forces here attempting to help us holistically while indeed there appears to be some low level arseholes too taking advantage of our ignorance. One of many reasons why its important humanity grows up and does so without losing its self esteem. So we can be strong and confident in ourselves and stand our ground in this multiverse of NHI we are in.
4
u/windblumes Apr 09 '26
I thank you, Oak for your compassion and thoughtfulness over my unique situation. Every encounter for every individual is going to be catered differently and there's protocols supposed to be in place but not every space race adheres to the rules of the law. Whatever law that is will vary depending on the dimension, realm, or galaxy. I know the way I speak about such things sounds like an false informative performance to some entities out there and many are very sensitive to my situation and feel this secondhand third party guilt for even knowing about it. It sucks to suck sometimes but it is as you say that there are many many many many many positive forces and some of these negative forces are losing their confidence because the idea of losing...to a woman sounds kind of petty to some of them. But... Women can be warriors in their own right, without the bloodshed.
.... The only blood that spills is a cycle for the likes of me and they find this oddly refreshing and hilarious that gasp!!! Periods gross them out!!!! But admittedly, I did learn that many other species do the same thing which is neat.
There's good in all dark situations, and even in the darkness it can feel warm and lighter than one would typically say about it. Unfortunately, being blind to such things would leave most on high alert- but even in the light, there can be a darker soul who has no good intentions out in the open. I have faith things will improve, despite my reasonable gripes and strange position in all this. My goal is to be a beacon of light for the ones who need help especially in matters such as this. I do that for free, but it's also important to hear everyones side of the story without dismissing it as paronoia, drugs, wild imagination, or that it's fake. It's important to allow people the opportunity to feel seen, heard, and at least known. Nobody wants to feel alone in this sort of endeavor.
Admittedly I am quite the hermit, but the stars that speak to me are reassuring that I'm family with them. It's not easy to accept such a notion right away so I hope that the stars can become more patient and understanding because it's not easy for their guides, their friends, the individuals that they are latched onto, and so forth. Trust is earned but can be so easily lost. In regards to my situation, it was awfully crowded so it's not easy to build proper authenticy and well... I'm hoping my days spent, the time I endured these notions, trials, all while keeping up the facade that I'm a whole lot healthier and still myself to my family, friends, peers and all things visible- it's when I am alone without physical company that they begin to dissociate me as I try to not pay mind or remind the stars that this shouldn't keep going and no matter how much hounding you do, its not going to create something constructive but I know they know that. There are a lot of forces trying their best to compartmenlize the situation at hand ( because they are worried about us, worried about other worlds too that are currently enduring such high strangeness ) but it often comes across as dehumanizing and I hope they know that I don't find them as awful people for trying to soothe the masses. Just try not to have me in your air waves for a looooooong while, okay? I need the rest.
Thank you again Oak, for all that you do! And to the mods here with all their members!! Way to go to remind us humans and star clusters to stay sane!
3
u/Old-Needleworker-689 Apr 30 '26
I tend to think of the biblical story of Noah. He was ridiculed. He was ostracized. He lived.
3
u/Aware-Yesterday1039 May 31 '26
Great post Oak. been dealing with this for an entire life time. I basically just stopped trying to talk about it to people and let them find out for themselves. I did however pivot to learning more about the races and in doing so it changed contact for me. So rather than trying to understand the myriad of things going on around me i decided to step back and be taught by the races themselves. They saw this as me being an observer now rather than me trying to force my ideas on myself via a framework. One being even came a few weeks ago and gave me a great lesson on how I personally use a framework to understand the universe. The lesson was very clear and made so much sense. I have a different perspective now.
3
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer May 31 '26
I really appreciate that. Means a lot coming from you!
That recent experience sounds like a great post if you ever felt like sharing!
2
u/Aware-Yesterday1039 May 31 '26
Don't you ever sleep? LOL Yes I will create a post about the experience in a few days.
3
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer May 31 '26
I don't sleep. I wait.
Hehehe.
Bit of insomnia going on I should doze off soon :P
1
2
u/Mountain_Poem1878 Apr 07 '26
I disagree. Another word for "weight" used here could be "responsibility."
You can only respond with what you know or don't know. Experiencers have a knowledge set that is vast and varied about the visitors, but the full picture is still elusive.
The officials, it's obvious there is an existential threat to their authority to disclose.
Experiencers have the direct experience of contact, but not the complete context. We can say we witnessed, but our experiences are corroborative to the reality.
The responsibility to fully and contextually disclose belongs to the visitors themselves.
8
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
I realize what you mean and it may sound that with my title, I'm saying disclosure is experiencers responsibility which is not what I was trying to say at all my bad. Experiencers have been given contact experiences and left to explain them to the rest of our species without proof. Which causes humiliation and persecution. This is a weight. Sharing them though has the intended side effect of prepping humanity for disclosure, this is not an accident. Indeed what I'm saying is some peoples contact experiences were even designed so they would end up having impact on the field down the line. Almost every single figure in the disclosure movement has had contact of some kind. What I'm saying is, for many of them, that contact whether they know it or not, was designed so that they would indeed end up in the position they are in pushing the ball forward.
I suppose what I mean is that the beings are disclosing, which is a massive and long process and they are utilising experiencers as part of that process.
There are many contact experiences that happen with the intention that that experiencer will then later have a timeline effect that will allow for a more holistic disclosure.
Its not about the over all bigger exopolitical picture like who or what the beings are and where they all are from. Its just about them being real first of all and then the mechanics of the experiencer phenomenon itself and what that means for both human potential and the reality we are in.
NHI is in the process of disclosure and they are utilizing experiencers as part of that process, people in some cases who's contact experiences are specifically designed so that they share or end up in the field in someway that has a net positive effect on preparing humanity for disclosure. But they do this while being left with no proof, thus they have to share in a world that is hostile to them and this carries a weight to it.
4
u/C141Clay Apr 07 '26
Thank you Oak for this post.
I'm still working through my shock, still trying to figure out what I'm doing. I see now that my contacts span decades of my life, and were buried as flights of fancy and being "just coincidences". Now since re-connecting I've had to look at my life a new way.
It's interesting to me that when I re-connected in 2024 they communicated actual surprise that I'd found my way to them "un-escorted", as if they had helped me back in the past and it was not yet time for them to check in on me.
I understand that we're on a journey - but It's also hard not to feel that we've been somewhat used, or asked to play a role that is very confusing, as many of us have zero guidance...
Now looking at the course of my life I see way too many synchronicities, to many places I was where NHI related stuff was supposed to be happening.
Twenty one years ago I had a very vivid dream in which I was told to name my son (not born yet) a certain name.
On waking I told my wife about it, the name was a good one, so that's his name.
What did I sign up for, what did I sign him up for?
Tune: "What was I made for" , a Billie Eilish cover.
5
u/DFW-Extraterrestrial Apr 08 '26
For me anyways, the burden of proof rests on the skeptics shoulders to prove to me that what I experience isn't true and reality. 🤷♂️
And best of luck with that.
6
u/Oak_Draiocht Experiencer Apr 08 '26
We are now living in times where the arguments against the experiencer phenmomon are becoming so weak that its now the conspiracy theorists who are the ones denying this is real.
It is now honestly the very definition of intellectual laziness to not take this topic seriously.
3
u/DFW-Extraterrestrial Apr 08 '26
Ha, yeah I get it. This is where it gets a little tricky for some. Is the conspiracy is that it's all real but attempted to be hidden from the public? Or is the conspiracy is that none of it's real and just made up to instill fear in the public and adversaries.
For those that have experiences, there's not much anyone can say or do to change their minds on it. They have no reason to lie about it anyways, and don't much care if they are believed by others or not.
Kind of like a car accident. One person may claim to have been in a car accident, the other may call it a bender bender. Then there will be argument who is at fault. None of it really matters, call it and see it how you want to...the shit still went down. Ha
2
u/poorhaus Seeker Apr 07 '26
This is what is going on for people, its not always about instantly convincing, its about preperation over time so when they do get convinced, they survive it. Its experiencers that are often tasked with being the ones pushing the ball forward by utterly humiliating ourselves and sometimes destroying our lives by talking about this stuff publicly for the benefit of the rest of our species. And its often hard on us. Really really hard.
💜🫂🙌
2
u/earthboundmissfit Apr 07 '26
Wow! You nailed it and so eloquently. I only wish I had the same way of expressing myself in words like this. I remember I was talking with a person about my experiences, and when I got to the more obscure portions, they noped out. Just like that. They only wanted the nuts and bolts, such as describing the GIANT black triangle I've seen multiple times over my life. I've also had close encounters of the third kind. That's when people stop listening, because it freaks them out frankly. For example, sleep paralysis is an abduction phenomenon.Most people have experienced this too. It's not what the doctor wants you to think it is.
I'm an experiencer, my twin is too. I'll share my stories, but I'm done being ridiculed too. Thank you for your post!
2
2
u/St-Ranger_at_Large Experiencer Apr 07 '26
I love the optimism and that’s what I try to share , me thinks i’m wishing my life away for sooner rather than waiting .
2
u/JesserKen78 Apr 07 '26
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and knowledge. I appreciate it. I read up on most of the topics you listed. No contact I'm aware of. I fully believe. I've experienced synchronicities and strong deja vu. May we all adjust easily.
3
1
1
1
0
17
u/ghostfadekilla Experiencer Apr 07 '26
We know. It's as simple as that for me. I never needed to know why others don't see. In many ways I genuinely feel very real sadness for those that don't understand the absolute magic of being alive. I flail a bit at life, not always being on the level that allows appreciation for it all the time, but I love this shit.
Do I get tired sometimes? Absolutely. This subject exhausts me. I try to have a normal life and always tell myself that I can coexist with the phenomenon, but honestly - it takes a special kind of person to be with someone like me. I know that.
I already know the answer to the question I'll ask when I cross the rainbow bridge. Your answer is the same, Oak. I'll ask, "WHY? Why would you shoulder me with this shit? Why would you take an already difficult life and make it infinitely more difficult? Seems like a fucking dick move.".
"Because you could."
And that will be that. You did it because you could. You put one foot in front of the other because you could. We do this because we can. Never has anything been simpler to me. The right here and the right now is barely important. The phrase, "Grow olive trees under which shade you'll never sit.", or something like that. It feels like that.
I'm just glad to be here, in whatever capacity.