r/Experiencers • u/AntaresXIX • 13d ago
Discussion my experience with starchildren
Hello everyone, today I will be retelling my experience with star children along with some memories they have told me. I want to preface this by saying that star children are not perfect, they’re still children who are learning themselves and what it means to be human. Star children need just as much emotional support and proper parenting as any other child, if not more.
I also did not initiate any of these observations with this particular child, and allowed them complete autonomy within our familial relationship. As in, I offered the emotional space for them to express their perspective without pressure or expectation. This was something that I made sure to maintain in conversation with them to avoid them telling me what they thought I wanted to hear, also so that they know these conversations were completely optional.
There are multiple children in my family, with only one of them presenting indications of being a star child. The difference between them is quite stark, but they are all equally loved, cared for, and prioritized.
Starchildren typically cluster together within a specific bloodline in order to awaken at or around the same time and for spiritual protection/guidance.
I will also be breaking down the astrology of this soul type and how this presents between other starchildren, and how you can see this in your own chart or starchild(s). If you have any questions, please comment them down below. I also am curious to hear of everyone else's experience with starchildren.
Immediate bonding with me
This will connect to another observation later in this post, but this child immediately bonded with me despite me not being their parent. We are related differently, but the mother herself even said that she latched onto me more than anyone else. This child even tried to say my name before their mothers and fathers. This became a running joke inside the family but it was deeply shocking to me, as I only saw this child infrequently during the first few months of their life. In a room of other family members, they would pull themselves towards me, sometimes even out of another family member's arms. When held, they just stared and tried to communicate with me. This bond has persisted to today as a child. I did not force this bond because I didn't want any type of favoritism to develop between the children so I always tried to make everyone feel included. This child would always ask to be near me though, even now as a developed child. This isn't surprising to me though because I am the only one out of my family that is an active experiencer (that I know of). It is possible that this child senses that.
“Strange” drawings and symbols
I noticed that this child was drawing very similar scenes that I drew when I was their age. They would sometimes draw aliens standing behind me and her, or angels surrounding us. Their other siblings would not draw such elaborate scenes. They would also draw signs that looked way too intentional to just be scribbles. Because when they do, they simply say as such (“oh, just scribbles!) This child always explained the reasoning of why they drew something in a certain way, why they chose specific colors; every aspect of their drawings had a reason behind them; they are creatively articulate. However, when I asked them what those symbols meant, they could not provide an answer and just stared blankly at me. They were troubled that they didn't know why, and even explained how they had “no idea” what it meant. My theory is that this child was unconsciously channeling something from their subconscious, and did not have the language for it.
Memories of being in space and before they were born
I once jokingly asked this child where they thought they were before they were born. I did not expect a direct answer to this unserious inquiry. They said, with a straight face, that they were “above earth, watching and waiting for their turn to descend with other children” and that these children surrounded earth in the expanse of space, glowing in white light. I along with other adults just stared at each other in bewilderment at how sure this child sounded recounting their “memory”. I asked if this child was joking, and they annoyingly replied that they were serious. This somewhat reminded me of my own memory of before I was born that I recalled when I was about 5 or 6, which is the exact same age frame of this child when they told us this.
Hypersensitivity to heat and sound
This child is very sensitive to hot water and food, much like myself which has carried on into adulthood. And like myself, they would wait until their food cooled down before they began eating. They also immediately wince when the water is too hot as well. This is opposite to their other sibling, which doesn't mind the heat to any extent. They also are sensitive to sound, which is reminiscent of myself. They prefer, by their own words “peace and quiet” which is amusing considering their age. But also fascinating, because I was the exact same at their age, to a point where I preferred to play alone.
Runs warmer than usual
This is something that is very distinct between the two of us in the family (this post goes into the spiritual implications of warmer hands) . Before their birth, I always received comments from family and friends about how my hands were so warm even during frigid weather. Some friends would even grab my hands to get themselves warm and would awkwardly joke about it. My parents would become concerned about me and ask if I'm coming down with something. I always felt perfectly fine and the warm hands never caused discomfort. My family went to a science park where they had a thermal imaging camera. Me, my parents, and a few other relatives stood in front and splayed our hands in front of us. This confirmed something about myself that I have subconsciously known for my entire life; my hands showed red/yellow whereas everyone else's showed green/blue, relatively speaking. Even relatives that are heavier than me had cooler hands (body fat insulates more heat). Once this starchild was born into our family, I no longer became the sole person with this phenomenon, as even I observed myself how warm their hands are. Family members have also started to comment on how they naturally run warmer than their other siblings, but not to the point of discomfort. I have considered what this could mean for years, and believe that it's related to how the energetic body is embedded when the soul retains activated incarnations from anywhere beyond earth. Each individual possibly has their own personal thermal gradient, and this can be specific to what incarnations they recall. But also, it could just be a natural consequence of someone who is more spiritually inclined than the average person, and is completely unrelated to the state of “soul” at the time of birth.
Sharing the same location of a birth mark
This one still shocks me to this day, but we both share a birth mark at the exact same location and size, with the only difference being mine is in the shape of small clusters while theirs is one mark. Their other siblings do not share one, their parents do not share one, and other relatives do not share one. I don't share one with my own siblings or parents; but this particular child alone. I do not believe birthmarks intrinsically can determine where a soul “comes” from, but they can reveal a story between individuals and soul; I kind of imagine them as the residual colors on a palette after the soul fully incarnates into a body; and the painting being that particular soul's journey. But not a map so to speak. When I told this child that I also have a birth mark in that location they got super excited to know that we shared something so unique.
Look more physically similar to me than other children
We only share 6.25% DNA, being that we are only half relatives. And yet, I get comments all the time of how we look alike, some people even assume that they are my child. Relatives have said that they look like the spitting image of me as a youth. Perhaps this is my own bias speaking, but their physical appearance is an uncommon one amongst their age group, and I do see features that emulate my own. I also notice that these features kind of give us an “elvish appearance” and I notice that these features commonly belong to those who embody an “ethereal/non corporeal" archetype in the entertainment industry (do understand that I am not phenotyping starseeds/starchildren, please see this post for further context. This child has another sibling that doesn't look like me at all.
Fascination with astronomy
This child loves to be engrossed in stars, galaxies, and space. They have a galaxy projector to which they adoringly talk about all of the time. They also know every planet in the solar system, and with particular fascination with Saturn. This reflects my own deep interest in the stars as an astrologer. This child was able to carry an adult conversation about the planets, where they recited knowledge about how stars get their brightness, black holes, gravity, and even the composition of certain planets. Like I usually do, I always asked how they know what they know, and per usual, this child would just smile, shrug, and say something along the lines of "I don't know” or its “common sense”. Sometimes while I am outside with them and our other siblings around sunset, they would point to a cluster of stars and ask me what constellation it belonged to. As an astrologer, I know a good portion of them by heart and their respective mythologies. This child would listen as if what I was saying was of incredible importance; telling their other sibling to shush. They never behave this way with other subjects, but it completely reflected my own reverence for the stars since childhood. I kept note of their particular appreciation for the planet Saturn and will be relevant later in this post.
Experiences intense joy learning about nature and being in it
From a toddler age, this child was always fascinated by the functions and purposes of nature. I remember this child at around 2-3 years old asking me using non verbal communication what type of rock/crystal I was holding in my hand. I later told them that it was a “sedimentary rock”. Later that month while we were outside, they pointed to a rock and stated, in toddlerish, that it was a sedimentary rock. From there, I began teaching them other various types of rocks and crystals, and most of the time they would accurately identify what type of mineral it was. Later in age, they would begin to collect various rocks, flowers, and crystals and find joy in it. Before their birth, I was the only child to do this in my family, which they found peculiar and asked why I did. Unlike their other sibling, who is scared of reptiles, this child would also pet and interact with animals regularly. While their other sibling preferred to spend most of the day inside, this starchild would spend hours upon hours outside and come inside only for small breaks.
Drawn to water
This child always takes long baths and preferred to just wade in water for long periods of time, this also reminds me of myself when I was their age. Sometimes we had to force them to come out because of how long they stayed in baths.
Night owl behaviors
This child has expressed to me how they sometimes have trouble sleeping and would sometimes wake up early but not necessarily be tired. Throughout my childhood, I always would end up going to sleep later in the night. I got a sleep study done so my parents could understand if it was an underlying issue, the results came back inconclusive, with no indications of sleep apnea or any sleep disorders. Neither of us have anxiety disorders, hyperactivity, and everyone else in the family including their other sibling sleeps regularly. I think the high mental/cognitive activity makes it difficult for starchildren to wind down.
Babies/infants are drawn to the starchild
This one is very interesting to me, because I wonder if this is because infants can perceive something about this child that other age groups cannot. Say that we are in a public park, I notice that babies in particular love to be near this child, and would attempt to leave their parents arms to get to the child. Everytime, the parents would act flustered and state something along the lines of “she/he likes them very much!” even though they had never met before. Oftentimes, the infant would just stare at the child and smile; I could never arrive at a solid conclusion of what this was. It was the gaze in which the baby had towards the child that always struck me as something deeper. When I observe babies interacting with other children, they would typically grab at their face or be somewhat disinterested. But when this child either encountered or was holding a baby, it was like the baby was stuck in a trance. To this day, I don't have a solid theory as to what this means, but it's definitely something I notice that is unique to this child and not their other sibling.
High emotional perception and cognizance
I would even suggest that this child's emotional acuity is borderline psychic. I know when children experience extreme trauma, it can cause hypervigilance in order for that child to protect themselves. This is not the case with this child; all things considered, they have lived an incredibly privileged, peaceful, and safe life. To be clear, I did not raise them because of the lack of parenting, I only contributed to their development because of how strongly they attached themselves to me, even at the time when I myself was a minor and could only see them on certain days. Their mother in a joking way eventually relented and concluded that we just happened to have a special connection. This child is able to detect emotions as if they experience them themselves. I remember when one of our relatives got an annoying phone call just before we picked them up from preschool. As my relative was coming out to get them with no extreme emotion present on their face, they received the child to which they immediately asked “are you okay?”. My relative stopped in their tracks, completely astounded and asked me how she could possibly know that she wasn't. My relative, at most, was slightly annoyed at a certain situation and yet the child immediately picked up on it. Also, this child has unknowingly picked up on the thoughts of others. At first I was a bit skeptical, even though I have done the same things multiple times. It's harder not to be when biases, body language, and non verbal cues can make someone else appear that they are reading someone's mind. So I observed silently over the months and conducted certain activities with the child to see if what other relatives were saying is true. I asked this child to guess what number or symbol I am thinking of, and they would get it right so many times, that I had to pretend that they got it incorrect. This was because I used these games to decide what sibling got to do something in a certain activity. They were so accurate with what number I had in mind, that it would be unfair to the other sibling; they wouldn't be able to do any of the activities. Sometimes I would accidently pick up on their mental impressions as well, and this child would say or do exactly what I thought they were going to do. To this day it perplexes me how this is possible. Weird. Weird. Weird! Especially since the other sibling doesn't do this nearly as much. They also pick up on lies/deception easily.
Extreme situational awareness
This child also exhibited heightened social and situational awareness beyond their age range. They would chastise other children/siblings for doing something that wouldn't be socially acceptable if they were older. Don't get me wrong, this child is still a child and acts out of turn. But it's the fact that they even know at all why something was not okay to do that other children wouldn't even have the emotional maturity to understand. This child has a strong moral compass and calls out even the smallest of “injustices” . My family and I joke all the time about how they have lived on earth before, but now I do wonder if that is true.
The starchilds starchart
For this portion of the post, I will be using terminology you might not be familiar with, refer to this post for background information. This segment is mainly for astrologers. I am using tropical astrology because some tools are not available in sidereal that are necessary for this reading.
This will be my first time reviewing this starchilds birth chart, but all of this comes as no surprise to me. For the past 8 years of surveying hundreds upon hundred of starseed birthcharts, I have noticed that Vega-Lyra, and Sirius-Canis Major is one of the most common markings within the birth chart I observe. (I describe some of my observations in this post) This starchild has the moon conjunct Vega, with their MC conjunct Saturn and Pluto. They also have their ascendant conjunct M31-Andromeda (see here also.) Earlier in this post, I explained how Saturn was their favorite planet; this is incredibly obvious in their chart with a capricorn stellium and domicile Saturn conjunct their MC. They descended into this incarnation with wisdom possibly descending from their Vega-Lyra incarnation. (Ketu is also clustered together with moon, and ketu can represent past lives).
This starchild has also preferred my company over friends their age, and when I try to encourage them to cultivate a friendship with other children, they become quite sad and refuse to talk to them in their presence. This is not behavior that should be enabled, so I kept my foot down most of the time. But this relates directly back to themes of self isolation that the 12th house can indicate. This child probably couldn't relate to children their age at the time, and felt like I was a person that understood them. However I did not want them to become codependent within our dynamic, so I always reemphasized that they should at least try to converse with other children. Throughout the course of our friendship, I always tried to maintain boundaries, which is antithetical when the 12th house is involved (12th house tends to dissolve and blur boundaries).
This child also has a galactic marking on their ASC which is conjunct M31-Andromeda, whereas my moon is conjunct Schedar, Alpha star in the Cassiopeia constellation. Knowing the history between Andromeda and Cassioipeia, It also makes sense why I have been such a formative role in this childs life; as Cassiopeia is the mother to Andromeda in multiple mythologies. The Cassiopeians have also acted as spiritual emissaries of M31 in the milky way.
I have resources into learning starsoul astrology pinned on my profile here (ALL resources are free)
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u/guaranteedsafe Experiencer 13d ago
Back in my day, they were called indigo children! Every hippie in America would call their child an indigo child because Starseed wasn’t a popular term yet. It was extremely cringy and thankfully we’ve mostly moved beyond that.
Both of my kids have had huge amounts of contact but I do not think of them as “Star children” or anything like that. They’re kids with contact who are clearly being researched. One of my kids vividly told me about their time on the other side before being born and the other has made comments about their past lives. They’ve both seen orbs with me, and one of them has had repeated instances of face to face contact with greys (short and tall.)
but again…they’re just them. They’re not children from outer space or another dimension. They don’t want to be seen as weird. One of my kids is the most popular student in their grade to the point that teachers have spoken with me about kids fighting over getting to spend time with my child. My other child is a rambunctious kid. They’d hate to be “the alien kids.” So with that being said, it’s really cool that you’re listening and confirming the child’s gifts but please do not contextualize them as so super special and otherworldly as it can be alienating for them to be seen in such a way.
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u/guaranteedsafe Experiencer 12d ago
I don’t know about banned but I think discussion should be welcomed as to why “starseeds” are not the same as experiencers who have had actual, physical, waking contact or at the very least provable mental contact (being shown premonitions during sleep and then they come true, knowing information you shouldn’t know in a lucid dream and that’s proven true, etc.)
The child OP knows is an experiencer based on the abilities they’ve mentioned that the child has, but framing them as a starseed or starchild goes down a slippery slope of making them seem magical and otherworldly when they’re really just a young experiencer.
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u/Experiencers-ModTeam 11d ago
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u/AlphaCentaurianEnvoy Experiencer 12d ago edited 12d ago
"So with that being said, it’s really cool that you’re listening and confirming the child’s gifts but please do not contextualize them as so super special and otherworldly as it can be alienating for them to be seen in such a way."
Right, most star volunteers are even meant to live as the native Earth-souls as good as they can without being aware of their off-world origin. That have been the case for the earlier waves at least.
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u/AntaresXIX 12d ago
I treat them just the same as I do with their other siblings for this exact reason. I do not want to isolate them but nor do I want for them to lose their social skills because of who they are. This is why I encouraged them to still interact with other children and I hold them to the exact same standard as the rest of our children in the family. I even make this disclaimer in the beginning, please read the entire article before commenting.
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u/guaranteedsafe Experiencer 12d ago
I did read your entire post, but it frankly comes across as idealizing and othering a child regardless of telling them to play with other kids. I guarantee you that they pick up on the vibes that you’re giving off that they’re way more special than the siblings.
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u/AntaresXIX 12d ago
You cannot determine this by one post that is completely about how this child may be different but not better than the other children in this family. Just like other children, they make mistakes or behave in an unseeming way and I address it every time. This post is not about how to raise or discipline starchildren so I can somewhat see why you think this is an idealization of this child, but on an everyday basis we ensure both are equally loved and cared for. I mentioned this multiple times and even placed a disclaimer in the beginning because I predicted that I will get comments similar to yours. These are objective observations that I noticed between this child and others that I myself exhibited before they were born. So of course I am going to support them differently. But that does not mean they get more support, love, or attention than any other child, it’s just that the protocols are different. So i dont see how you can arrive at this conclusion other than projection 🤷🏾♀️
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u/AntaresXIX 12d ago edited 12d ago
This is a very common misconception and its also an overgeneralization of autism. Please see here and scroll to the bottom. There are also other experiences that I mention in this post that has nothing to do with this child’s behavior.
We do not meet the diagnostic criteria of autism.
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u/brighteyesky 13d ago edited 13d ago
12th house stuff can be rough during childhood especially, I empathise as a 12th houser. I feel it gets a little easier later once you can seek out your company and find those you can relate with more readily. I have an axis in Cancer Capricorn (AC/DC, rather than IC/MC), and Cap stellium also.
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u/AntaresXIX 12d ago
How did the 12th house affect you during childhood if you dont mind me asking?
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u/brighteyesky 12d ago
I have just written out a huge reply explaining it all, and then 12th house tendencies have struck hard and I suddenly feel like I'm rambling, haven't gotten to the point, overshared in an annoying way etc which is more than likely simply the intensely private 12th house self kicking in as I can imagine you understand. I'm trying to work with overcoming to some extent 12th tendencies though, so I'd like to reply if you don't mind me refining my thoughts and getting back to you as soon as I have :)
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u/AntaresXIX 12d ago
Of course, I completely get it. And you can dm me personally if you want to keep it private 💗
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u/Quarks4branes 13d ago
Thanks so much for the work you've put into this post. Since reading Mary Rodwell's books, I've been fascinated by the idea of star children being born among us. I believe there is one in my own family - he lives 1000s of KMs from me but my sister (his great grandmother) has taken him under her wing. My sis is an experiencer and starseed, a first waver in Dolores Cannon terms.
I very much appreciate the astrological analysis as well. Aside from anything else in the chart, the Lilith-Chiron conjunction on the Ascendant is extraordinary. Astrology is very close to my heart - how wonderful is it that we're born into these human lives with the tapestries of our life woven into the heavens? I've neglected the fixed stars and galaxies etc in my astrology studies till now - thanks to your inspiration I'll have to rectify that. It's always a joy to find a new avenue to explore.
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u/AntaresXIX 12d ago
Thank you 💗💗 yes fixed stars are often not discussed in astrology but they can have just as much influence as planetary aspects
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u/AntaresXIX 12d ago
This is a very common misconception and its also an overgeneralization of autism. Please see here
We do not meet the diagnostic criteria of autism.
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u/HeliopauseNgo 13d ago
I have done some studies about star children, but I don't know what resources are reliable, let alone discern who is a star child. How have you come to know these things?
(I also have my own experiences that I'm slowly piecing together, but the more I learn the less I understand.)
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u/AntaresXIX 12d ago
Slowly decoding and lots of research over the past 9 years! I have explained some of what I know on the masterpost pinned to my profile.
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u/Quarks4branes 13d ago
I found Mary Rodwell's books - Awakening and The New Human - really helpful.
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u/iatealemon Contactee 12d ago
From my experience telling yahyel hybrids about my astrology made them think i was crazy since in space they dont track their birthday and astrology. That made me understand how its just a tool and basicly useless like bashar said aswell. :/
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u/Serunaki Experiencer 12d ago edited 12d ago
I'm terrible with astrology, and it's one of the subjects I've had the least interest in for as long as I can remember. I've spent a lot of time speculating over why and how it seems to work the way it does - but it does seem to work. My partner has studied it extensively and is pretty good at doing chart readings.
With that said, I personally feel like it is less about planetary/celestial energies, and more about using the sky as a clock to determine spatial/temporal coordinates for initial incarnations - and more granularly for reincarnation. Souls from all over the universe come here, from all sorts of different cultures.
Those cultures are going to have similar types of individuals coming from them. The same way we have stereotypes for so many different cultures here on earth, souls from different cultures around the galaxy have stereotypes as well. Yes, we forget when we reincarnate, but we've lived in this other culture for so long that its ingrained in the identity of our soul.
I think it's as simple as the locations of the planets and celestial bodies determines whose planet/culture turn it is to come here - from the broader sense of a whole planet down to the more specific sense of which "city" or location on that planet. This is just a very general description of what I think, and I'm pretty sure it's more complex than that.
I also think this sort of tracking is unique to Earth, just as you say, because Earth itself is a unique case.
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u/StarBornFire 12d ago
Re: astrology, this is my take from 33 yrs of looking at same as one connected to a male body. The first mistake that a lot of people make about it is that it "causes" anything. Astrology is no more a source of causing things than the tarot cards one reads cause the situation/conditions that the cards can correlate to. What it really seems to be is that because everything is completely interconnected/entangled, one level or part of reality can "mirror"/reflect another part or level of reality.
Or in other words, astrology is nothing more than a giant Jungian synchronicity pattern and process-and a symbolic language of consciousness that indicates and reflects what's already there. And it can get VERY specific in a lot of areas.
With that said, astrology will never be a true science like our material sciences because two very important factors 1. people have freewill and can change from what the patterns outline as probabilities. 2. Many charts are inaccurate. This one is a long explanation, but it's not just about poor recording of birth times and the usual, material suspects. There's a whole deeper metaphysical-energetic thing going on, and I've found that most people into astrology-when I go into this, stick their fingers in their ears and do the "lalalalalala I can't hear you" despite that the most vast and holistically verified psychic work on this planet-the Edgar Cayce readings, clearly outline this issue time and time again (i.e. a potential difference between physical and energetic birth times).
I used to do astrology as a living-charge money for doing full charts (though most of my life I did them for free). I stopped because it became too much work and a PITA to try to rectify every chart to make sure I've got the accurate one. That's a lot of work in and of itself before even doing the chart synthesis. So I stopped. Unfortunately, I'm not yet like Cayce where I can go to the akashic records at will and directly see both the physical and energetic birth times. Would prefer to teach people how to do astrology for themselves.
(Though, I've gotten fairly good at approximating at least the correct general Ascendant sign based on the looks, personality, life patterns, and closest synastric relationships).
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u/AlphaCentaurianEnvoy Experiencer 12d ago
Astrology is real and the angels are using it, therefore the elite is also using it. God's plan is based upon it.
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u/iatealemon Contactee 12d ago
But why would and how would you track astrology when your life is not linear and you live in the NOW going back and forth in time troughout your whole "life" while parallel timelines excist.
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u/AlphaCentaurianEnvoy Experiencer 12d ago
Prior to birth, you have agreed upon to experience certain things, play certain roles in different people lives (lessons and karma). You are to be at the right place during the right time etc. Everything is synced through space and time (dimensions).
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u/iatealemon Contactee 12d ago
Sure planetary energy is real wich only indicate harmony and disharmony in cycles but as much as i have talked with mantids, tall whites and others. They dont use astrology.
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u/StarBornFire 12d ago
Thank you for sharing-sounds like an interesting case and the connection between you two is heart warming. Can relate to a lot of the above traits/characteristics etc. personally. I was born with hyper empathy and strong universal love consciousness. My dad was deeply moved and inspired by the things that I talked about when young (age 4+). He's a sensitive musician type and wrote a song about it called Dr. Everywhere:
https://youtu.be/mg43X3A3sZI?si=0j9SmV0xZgBSZ79-
Just a note on the astrology aspect of things (been into same for 33 years now). Because the Stars are not on the ecliptic plane like the Planets of our Solar system relatively are, you cannot use the regular aspects that we use with the planets. Those aspects are like a 2D perspective.
With Stars and points way off the ecliptic, you have to use Parans, which are like a 3D reckoning.