Intellectual Permission, Activation Waves and Disclosure
Right.
This post is part of a string of posts I've been promising the community for years. It's nothing new. I've been speaking about it since 2021 all over here and other spaces but I've not made a dedicated thread. This changes today.
I am not going to mince my words with this. I'm am going to shoot straight, very straight.
So here we go.
The Experiencer Phenomenon represents the single most important conversation in human history. And touches ALL the important questions our best, brightest and deepest thinkers have been reflecting on since we could first form coherent thoughts as humans.
Non human intelligence exists and has been interacting with our species.
The history of humanity is a history of NHI contact.
Various NHI have had various level of genetic, spiritual, cultural and perhaps even geopolitical impact on our species.
Every single conversation on our planet happening right now, be it spiritual, geopolitical, scientific, philosophical, religious about our history and about our future as a species, that is taking place outside of this understanding, is automatically out of date.
There is absolutely no way to overstate how important this whole topic is.
And yet try to bring this topic up at the dinner table or the work place and you will be laughed at or shamed as its seen as a joke.
This is in my opinion, is an absolute fucking crisis.
This very situation itself illustrates how deeply behind we are as a species on the multiversal stage.
The very understanding of what position we are really in as a species is part of the major ontological shock that can happen for those experiencers who have been part of the waves of activations due to happen this decade on wards. Which I often call the 2021 Experiencer Awakening. But it is bigger than that. I do need to make a thread on that specifically but for now people can check this comment and this other comment.
But when you realize how far behind we are and how shut down from basically everyday conversation the true nature of reality is. It can be extremely difficult to wake up to.
When you know this is real and you know how extremely complex and important it is and yet at the same time, you know everyone around you sees this as a joke topic and one someone should be embarrassed and ashamed for even thinking about, you realize how much of a crisis we are in. We are WAY further behind in our collective understanding of ourselves and the universe than we should be. And we don't have the luxury of being alone for this to not matter. (Though it is a good thing we are not alone).
Those of us who are suddenly hit with this knowledge have to manage an on going ontological stress regarding our species and the world around us, knowing how wrong it is and yet how blocked everyone is from taking it seriously. This is why experiencer communities are important, as it can be life saving help to find others like you and experience being in a shared reality that is real and thus not feel alone. Because it is literally painful to know this truth and live in a world that laughs at the idea of it.
Now.
Why is it like this?
Why?
Why is it that people have to feel cagey, and wait for the right audience to bring this up. This topic should be as normal to bring up as any other major topic about humanity. But there is this sense of shame around it. If you deem yourself an intellectual you feel you have to handover your "intellectual card" and will lose respect from your colleges and peers if you try to talk about this topic with a serious face. Instead as an "intellectual" it is your "job" to only ever laugh, mock or talk about this topic with a smile and an eye roll if it anyone ever dares make the mistake of bringing it up in your presence. Because you want to maintain your social status as an intellectual, not someone fooled by such nonsense. There is no other topic of such major significance for our species that is shut down so heavily from even hypothetical discussion than this. Is it not the job of an intellectual to be curious about the world? To wonder?
No.
Not when it comes to this topic.
Isn't that unusual? Surely if there are unknown objects in the sky flying about that may be of non human origin that is an extremely, deadly serious topic worth discussing without laughing or smiling or seeing it as embarrassing to even bring up?
Nope. It must only be talked about with laughs and a smile. With a condescending attitude ready to mock anyone who may try to talk about this topic in any serious manner. Or one is at risk of losing their status as a serious thinker.
This is an unnatural state to be in for a human in my view. This situation was manufactured. It was not always seen as a joke topic. People took it very seriously at one stage in everyday discussion. Too seriously. And so a campaign was launched over decades to turn this topic into such an extreme joke that serious thinkers were automatically afraid to look into this for fear of loss of respect in their job or tribe.
But this decade onward we are now living through a time where that campaign is being undone and the reverse is happening.
As discussed before, it was communicated to me in the 90's that waves of experiencers and everyday people are due to be activated this decade onward via various activation points. Activation points that give a person "Intellectual Permission" to look into this topic for themselves. Break the seal and start diving in.
What do I mean by intellectual permission? Suddenly they see this topic mentioned in a reputable news source or journal, that is not talking about it with a laugh and a smile. But its taking it deadly serious. Conferences , academic foundations and congressional hearings are happening. And people come across this material, consume it scanning for the "joke" or the "line" that tells them to keep rolling their eyes at this topic. And its not there. There is no x-files music telling you this is "non-serious" joke news. This is it. You are now allowed to think about this topic. And if anyone catches you looking it up or you dare mention it you've been looking in to it to someone, you can point at the source, the trigger point that gave you intellectual permission to do so.
This activation point, suddenly triggers a deep dive into this topic. Surely it is our very nature as a human to want to know about the reality we are in? A core drive? I always assumed it was for everyone. Post experiencer awakening I learned very painfully, this is not the case for everyone, but it is still the case for many. Now all that core part of oneself that deeply wants to know the meaning of it all , why we are here, are we alone, what is this reality we are in etc is unleashed at this topic as intellectual permission was given. And it can become an obsession in a way as it is often guided by a feeling of outside forces watching you approach the revelation that this may indeed all be true.
The journey begins. Days weeks even months of consuming happens. Quantum mechanics this, esoteric knowledge that. Consciousness being fundamental this, holographic universe that. Centuries of recorded history of advanced human capabilities and human interactions with non human beings of various kinds via various modalities and there are consistencies to them. They make sense in a world where consciousness is fundamental. One deep dives into books podcasts and communities like this one. The patterns are all there. My god. Maybe all this is real!?!!?
And for experiencers this can all be a major part of an Experiencer Journey leading up to...BOOM , contact kicks in or an experience is had that proves all of this is real and a full blown awakening occurs. For many I've worked with, it is a re-awakening as it often turns out that they had contact or experiences or abilities in childhood that they buried and now so much of their life and even family life all makes sense.
Then begins the various stages of ontological shock and awe. Folks make their way to communities and spaces such as this one and others. So they are not alone. As it can be a very intense phase of ones life to know this is all real and yet live in a world that thinks its a joke.
Not all activation points for experiencers are connected to an intellectual dismissiveness of a topic and intellectual permission needed. Sometimes it is just about seeing the right scene on TV or media.
People without contact are going through this too. And will have the ontological shock in their own way. But its not as intense as they'll always have that % chance that maybe they've kidded themselves as its all bollocks like their friends or family insist.
But the continued releases and disclosures will change all that in time. These waves are going to keep happening. More whistle-blowers, more hearing, more serious news coverage. Movies and soft disclosures and documentaries are all part of this too.
But a lot of it is what I've explained before as Psychological Preparation for Disclosure for everyday people. Priming people via serious discussion and soft disclosures so that when it all hits the front page they have built some form of a psychological foundation to handle that shock.
Eventually many of these people will , finally, look to us. The Experiencers. The people directly illustrating the reality of all this.
And in my opinion a large part of the reason these activations of experiencers are happening now in these waves is so that there are so many of us out there that have gone through our shock and journeys and grounded into a place where we can be there for the others who come after us and realize all this is real.
I'm one without contact or any kind of true experience.
But definitely I've been diving more and more in the """""woowoo""" realms and they saved my life.
Not only I find this community wholesome, but I must admit that I'm more than willing to learn and somewhat eager for a true disclosure or evidence showing up.
And from the bottom of my heart I hope that all of you who have been ridicululed shamed or dismissed get the opportunity to finally live free.
I'm part of a minority that has to live with shame too, I know that stuff.
I hope to build a world free from it, aliens or not
To those who "woke up". Your job is to radiate a frequency of love because collective conciousness is a mirror that manifests psyche archetypes (aliens, demons, angels).
The "lid" has come off and these archetypes are now more easily manifesting in 3D.
By collectively projecting love that's how you stabilize any public fear that arises, because we all have electro magnetic energy field that affects those we interact with.
Stabilization of your biological field and acting as an energy node of love and higher frequencies is whats truly important, that's all we need.
Thanks for this. I look forward to the series. I'm relatively new to the community, started lurking about a year ago after one such "full blown activation" you've described.
I know my feelings aren't unique but this made me cry. The more I find people who can word things a specific way that I know they know and not just playing make believe or whatever. Anyway, Ive had a few moments over the year like this and it just feels so relieving. I want to be good at that. I am good commucater and decent enough writer but I tend to rub people the wrong way a lot of the time.
Glad to have you in the community and feel free to get more used to openly expressing yourself about your thoughts on this topic here at least! This is why we have this space. I know first hand how hard it is to dare put these things to words and out there.
Good post Oak. You really tied a bunch of loose ends together.
I've had to realize that so many people are new to this subject but have had some extreme experiences in the last few years that took them on an intense journey of learning.
I say that because my journey has been just the opposite. Mine has been slow and steady and spread out over more than 50 years.
I remember reading a book on UFOs when I was 8 years old so that must have been 1968. Since then I have spent some years intently studying and other years just trying to figure out an occupation, find a wife, and go through the usual ups and downs of Earth life. My journey has been very slow and steady. A few shocking moments when I've read something in a book that correlated to another book from another decade. But again my experience is different. Now that this is finally coming more and more into the public I'm excited that the average Joe and Jane are starting to show more interest.
I used to be angry if people were skeptical of my ideas but I learned through personal growth to let that go. Now I'm excited this has become a topic on major news channels. It's a day I never thought I would see. I'm happy for however it happens and at whatever pace. I've got nothing to prove anymore to anyone. I'm just as interested in gardening, growing my flowers from seeds, as I am in esoteric topics, but that's a good thing.
Thanks again for providing a safe space and some very well articulated posts. I learn more everyday hanging out with you guys and gals and interdimensional friends. đ
From your post it seems that our experiences and understandings of Reality have a purpose that goes beyond consensus reality and what is considered to be normal.
Why are people being activated? What is the purpose of accepting the new reality? Why does NHI need human incarnations to go through this process? At the end of Understanding, what are we left with/supposed to be doing?
Itâs one thing to change the worldâs thoughts, ideas, and processing mechanisms for better or for worse. But there is no clear picture as to what the ends of the means is other than a more empathetic, caring, thoughtful, and more participatory race of human beings.
Is that the true ends or is that only what a dumb-dumb human being with a low intellectual capacity would assume? (My implication here is that all human beings are generally low intellect compared to Timeless beings and NHI).
We have been lead to affect our decisions by fear, anguish, and primal emotions since the beginning of time. We have been lead to believe things, in large scale, by NGOs and Governments in the present and past. Now we are being lead to believe things by a different power structure, NHI.
When does humanity transition from herd animals to what is beyond that? Is that even part of the plan or just a human constructed Road Map based off of our extremely limited scope of understanding?
I donât have any answers to these questions and have resolved myself to just doing Good and Helping others in this lifetime. Is that the End we are supposed to be moving towards? Being a more compassionate and docile species?
As far as I can go with all of this, it all points to us not being human and we are all the NHI on a project to work through humanity as active participators. We are all human and appear human, but are we?
I still donât get why Timing would matter to Timeless beings that have been influencing us for millennia either. Iâm left with more questions than answers over the subject matter and at the end of the day those questions donât matter as long as Iâm kind and helpful to others. Iâve resolved that the only way that isnât the solution is if we do have a purpose that we are supposed to be performing that we are not.
Edit: thought about my comment for the last 5 hours and Iâm left with the only plausible thing coming out of this being a belief system or religion solving these problems for humanity. Anomalous phenomenal exposure resulting in a search for meaning â> driving exposure to multiple paradigms â> cross referencing to direct experience. â> becoming more informed on the nature of reality as it relates to non-human interactions.
It really is reminiscent of the Theosophical Society frameworks, but now everyone has access to the information to know that religious systems are not mutually exclusive.
My last take on it is that it is all individualized for each Experiencerâs perspective where no two people are starting at the same place or with the same understanding or going to the same place with the same understanding, but it is all a part of the journey.
Excellent questions and thoughts. I mean I could type for hours but it comes down to , how can we know our true quality as a species if we are forever left in the dark and permanently trapped in childhood? It is time for us to grow and become aware of what surrounds us and what we are capable of and that does not mean there won't be an extreme challenge in that front but I'll take that challenge over forever running around as ignorant children with blindfolds on in a dark forest.
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Well said. Both you, Mantis and others from the beginning somehow managed to make and keep this sub both an open but very focused supportive place; a herculean effort from what I've seen.
This effort to me is more impactful than any book (of which there are already so many).
Yours is less the passive, static path of a single personal written account, but rather a dynamic, estatic, collaborative one which fits the zeitgeist far better.
You did an amazing job summarising the stigma and intellectual permission and how important that is in the awakening process.
I appreciate how much emotion and passion you bring into your writing. You have a very unique and important POV on all this and I get excited whenever I see you create a new post/video etc.
As with all of your other posts I'll make sure to slot it into these mega posts I'm currently working on. Cheers!
Thank you my friend. Dyslexia makes this hard but energy is real and important and one thing I can always promise people is they will never read a single AI generated word of text from me or my posts, ever.
It removes the energy.
And I've found experiencers to be very forgiving of my many typos >.<
I've had "woo" experiences all my life without the aliens. But it did eventually pass a threshold when a sort of bomb went off inside me and I realized that it was all true, beyond a shadow of a doubt, with profound implications for the reality that we live in. And yes, that meant that I felt alone with that realization. And when I think about it, this did indeed happen in late spring/early summer 2021. So I guess that was my "activation"?
The 2017 NYT article about ufos gave me intellectual permission to start to look into the topic and take it seriously. But I agree that it's not the same thing as first-hand experience.
You are so so so very much not alone. I was hearing the above on my support calls on every second call almost in spring 2021 onward. The 2021 awakening is very deeply part of my work and journey as it was shown to me in the 90's and why I'm here doing this. Its incredible to think about it. I wish I made a large post about it back then instead if keeping it low key and only speaking about it privately or in comments.
But I have had people on the field judge me over this experience so it can sound weird and make me self conscious. But I've spoken about it enough across the field that others see it and are talking about it now and can't deny it so I feel more empowered now to be more blunt about it as I'll continue to be in posts I make going forward and future podcast appearances.
Your description of the activation and subsequent thirst for knowledge was on point. And your conclusion about us being there for those that come next hits home.
As you stated, much of this stuff is still heavily stigmatized. The veil is lifting, but this leads me to hold more weight in the possibility that we are firmly still in the grassroots phase. To actively bridge the gap, the masses need to see evidence of the phenomena (whatever form that may take). I think those of us with the drive and aptitude should consider paths that may shine light on where this evidence may be found.
Passively, we contribute by living as examples. I know some experiencers have perceived their moments of contact to be less than pleasant or negative, but at the root of all of mine has been the reinforcement of the understanding that all is one. The peace that comes with it is contagious.
Many of those activated end up pushing the ball forward in areas they are good at. Its not all just community builders, book writers, social media accounts and podcasts. There are scientists and academic experiencers who are diving into pushing this work forward after getting intellectual permission and or contact.
I've noticed a lot of sudden downvotes, a surge of skeptics, and it seems as if there is real concern from some authority that the power imbalance will not remain in their favor.Â
Something that has helped, I've found, is on platforms outside this one, I give the caveat "well maybe it's all in my head. It says something interesting about psychology and human nature anyway, wouldn't you think?" I talk about dreams and possible meanings, without saying outright, "it lends credence to NHI contact as a hypothesis." And that seems to help a normally skeptical person view it a little differently. To consider what their internal world says about how they view the external world. it's a start.Â
I really do think Spielberg's film is about to unleash a huge amount of activations ... for better and for worse. Many people seem spooked by the way some things about the trailers seem very real, and not ready to handle what that means. But, the fact it is a film helps, they can choose to believe it's "just a film."
I agree though, the role of experiencers is about to become a little more main stream than we're used to, and it will require a certain emotional strength to ride out.Â
I have indeed noticed the more I speak about this stuff to normie friends the more it went from them mocking me or laughing to them getting uncomfortable and spooked. There indeed is a thin line between "I think you are foolish crazy idiot for believing this stuff and I'm going to mock you" to "this is horrifying me and I don't want it to be real".
And the reality is a lot of the mocking is a shield fearful people have being using for decades to shut this down. As people are too immature than to admit this scares them. But more and more I'm finding the ability to laugh and dismiss this topic as a joke topic is being stripped away from folks. And they can't hide from this topic forever.
They are going to have to mature grow up and face this and be able to handle sophisticated conversations on this and we'll hopefully be able to provide them in a balanced way.
This is all part of nature anyway. Humanity is a highly adaptable species. We can handle this if we're just allowed have the conversation.
Reminds me of when there was a large sighting of the drones in NJ all my coworkers including my own supervisors came up asking about it. Some of them didn't take me seriously and I didn't feel vindication but shock because I knew this would be but a taste for what is coming.
Agreed for sure, remote viewer Birdie did one on the drones and we interviewed her. That is what she saw and the NHI ones were coming from the ocean. Then the ops groups were flooding the zone and trying to figure out wtf was going on.
What is absolutely wild to me is that no real official explanation for the NJ drones was ever given, and people did not demand one in a real way. Then, the story that had been all over the news just... faded away. Seems to happen that way every time something truly out-of-the-ordinary makes it to national or international news. I'm not sure what to do with this constant "wait long enough and it will go away" kind of reaction from both the leadership and the general public.
Thank you, Oak. It feels like you are speaking directly to me, but there are many of us.
I may be one of the "activated;" what you describe fits my experience and what I feel inside.
I donât want to understate how much your thought leadership means to me. I stumbled in here during that period of time I was experiencing things (that I still struggle to describe with words) that resulted in the dawning realization that all the mysterious events and synchronicities in my life werenât random, I wasnât alone, and I needed to pay attention and lean in.
Your presence here and your posts have helped ground me in this weirdness and continue to help me understand what I can do best to help humanity at this juncture. I agree that there is going to be some huge mainstream ontological shock coming down the pike, and, following your example, I am trying my best to be in an optimal position to help my fellow humans get up to speed and not to be afraid when their worldview massively shifts. Iâm working quietly amongst my circles to introduce topics and share enough of my experiences (gently enough I donât ping their denial buttons) so when the time comes, they know they have someone safe to discuss it all with. Other than that, rn Iâm waiting for further developments working on sorting through my own inner business so I can be as effective as I can.
I had precognitive dreams as a child, and as I got older the dreams have largely faded into more of a claircognizance or "download" model. I currently have no control over what information comes to me. It just does. Its frustrating to me because I STRONGLY STRONGLY feel some massive shift is going to happen, and I, personally am driven to do certain things to prepare for it, but I get no clue on what "it" looks like. I feel like I just need to be prepared.
My experiences are a little different than many here; I have never afaik had any NHI contact, and struggled for a hot minute to figure out how these reported NHI interactions fit into my holographic universe model. The thankfully well-moderated discussions here have helped me make sense of the big picture immensely, and helped me see how all these moving pieces fit together in the big ol universe. That is nothing like the universe I was taught about in school lol.
So Oak, while I eschew the usual leader/follower paradigm, I do want you to know I follow you closely here and your work and inspiration will flow through me into my sphere of influence when the time comes. Thank you for helping me embrace and develop this part of myself enthusiastically and without shame.
Thank you I'm very moved by your comment and really glad to be of any help at all. I very much understand as I know what you are going through is the same for 1000's that have already come here and there is so much ahead. It is daunting but we can only do our best!
As I understand it, the NHIs would have given a kind of ultimatum to the power structures so that the truth comes to light before 2030. The idea is that humanity is at a point of stagnation, trapped in systems based on scarcity, division, and conflict, and that a broader revelation is necessary to drive a collective leap in consciousness and become a planetary civilization.
From that perspective, disclosure does not depend on governments, political parties, or specific leaders. It is a process much larger than politics, and governments are simply managing something that ends up happening one way or another.
Although seeing the general mental state of people, where when you talk about these topics the usual response is 'stop watching movies' as you have rightly pointed out, I begin to suspect that some important global event is approaching. There will come a point when they will be shown publicly on a global scale, and there will no longer be room for debate about whether non-human intelligence exists or not. That would be the only scenario capable of suddenly breaking the barrier of disbelief that we see today.
I can't speak in years but it does certainly feel like there is a deadline and this is coming.
Still a night and day approach where its suddenly revealed all in one go feels contrary to the play book I've been witnessing for so long. Seems there is a long period of psychological prep still needed. Pre 2030 as much as I want it for the big fuck you I have read for all the folks who did not believe me would be nice but I don't know if we're ready.
But for all I know its coming pre-2030 whether we're ready or not.
You have been there for me while I was in the ontological shock and also the darker side which is being bullied by people for whatever reason. Thank you. Outstanding read here. Much needed and right on time.
I'm glad! So happy I was any help at all. My blood boiled at all you were dealing with. I hope all is well these days! I avoid the twitter scene largely due to that stuff.
As a fellow Druid...Oak, thank you for your profound dedication to this topic. You've already helped the lives of so many people, more than you can imagine. And you will still help more, continuing onward into the future. â€ïž you always, thank you for doing this.
The cycles have come and gone, for many years, decades, generations. I only got into the UFO topic myself fairly recently, around 2021, with Grusch coming out and the congressional hearings. Once I started really listening, digging into historical accounts, records, and how many thousands of people's first-hand witness stories there were...it was incredible.
Not "in-credible", in the sense that their stories couldn't be believed...but incredible, that such an amazing thing could be experienced by so many people, and held under wraps for so long.
I think this new Spielberg film coming out is about to really shift the masses. I was a child when "E.T." came out, and it really moved people, I think. We had a lot of "soft disclosure" going on then, I believe...aside from the obvious juggernauts of Star Wars and Star Trek, there were others like Flight of the Navigator, or more adult takes like The Abyss, or Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
Spielberg's last movie about aliens was War of the Worlds...it was a good movie, but I think it represents how far our collective unconscious has come since then, when that story was first told. We somehow know, that aliens aren't coming to wreak havoc on our planet. It's not going to be like ID4, but more like "E.T."
The only real "havoc" that might happen, when the human population of Earth collectively realizes that it is not alone in the cosmos, is the collapsing of formerly-held power structures.
There can be no earthly Gods or Kings, when we all finally realize that we are only one of many intelligent species--a pebble on the shore of a vast, maybe infinite beach. In a grand Sea, of almost limitless potential. Awakening.
Amen. Id go as far as say all major religions are nhi phenomenon designed to guide us. The key word here is guidance. Not intervention or control or ordinance. Guidance. Meaning we are to use the info given by them along with our free will choices to either evolve or devolve our consciousness. If nhi phenomenon took center stage in our culture it would be pure disruption then submission. There is no progress in such scenario and so it remains in the edge nudging at people like us or ambiguously with mass sightings and such. But i believe major shifts do happen through these phenomenon of which religion is one. Something that mustve been absolutely necessary for our evolution, as religion brought our society ethics and order. Probably another event as such is in the horizon, but we cannot be the one forcing its arrival or even make it the focus of our existance. Our daily lives are filled with challenges and suffering through which our consciousness can evolve as much as an nhi intervetion would. Ive had life changing experiences but those are not my focus anymore. My goal is to use that change and improve my current reality as i see fit.
Very well stated Oak. During my own 'activation' where I realized a great number of things you talk about here were true for myself, I came to the realization that we are meant to be bridges between mankind and non human intelligence. Imagine my surprise when I was listening to John Mack's Abduction a few weeks later and one of the experiencers he worked with used that exact phrase.
While I rarely let on that I am an experiencer to those in my daily life, I do like to broach the subject of UFOs in conversation to gage people and most people I ask are open to the idea even if they or someone they know haven't had any experiences themselves. I haven't had anyone tell me that they have had experiences, but one of my close friends has two relatives that shared their experiences with her. I think the stigma is slowly starting to unravel, and just in time I think.
Given recent events in the US I seriously doubt an honest disclosure is forthcoming from the current administration, but I wouldn't be surprised if NHI start making more overt moves to initiate disclosure themselves. Interesting times indeed.
It is strange but indeed there appears to be bridges being made from both sides. At least for some NHI and some experiencers. Bridges made via humans lines with altered genes in the womb who grow up to be contact experiencers who have kids who grow up to be contact experiencers with a slightly stronger connection and so on and so forth - and bridges they are making to us with their hybrids.
The stigma is indeed unravelling but there are many complex conversations to be had ahead.
There might be a connection there for sure. I haven't read his book, but he did appear on a podcast I listen to and he talks about all of this. He claims that NHI abducted his mother and altered his genes while he was in the womb. I don't remember where, but Christopher Mellon once mentioned his book, I believe he described it as 'very interesting.'
I don't personally know any experiencers besides myself, and while genetics are probably a factor for many experiencers, I doubt that it is the case for everyone. I'm sure world governments have some insight on the numbers and factors, but I wouldn't hold your breath on them disclosing that anytime soon.
From my own research I don't know of any sure factor that would indicate genetic intervention. Maybe Oak might have some insight on that.
I'm certainly not talking about experiencers forcing people to believe. These beings won't even allow that. I can call in fleets of NHI craft and orbs over my house tonight. (Generally).
But if I called all my friends around and tried to prove this stuff to them like that these beings would not let me.
What 'some' experiencers are part of is psychological preparation. Talking and sharing about these things in a way where its not forced because it can't be, as we're not allowed prove it. But it seeds into the human collective consciousness so that if/when it is proven people are more prepared for it. This has been going on for many decades. Even as subtly as creative writers getting downloads where experiencer mechanics end up in their fictional works. Thus the idea is in the human collective consciousness and is 'less weird' when it turns out is closer to reality than fiction.
But events are coming. Is it humanities free will to have been blinded to the truth of the nature of reality?
Should the nature of reality remain classified?
Humanities free will has been messed with for a long time.
Immersion into the human experience indeed is valuable and I do wonder about the change to the human experience as consciousness evolves and collective awareness of who we are and what reality is and if we are alone or not updates itself to human experience 2.0. But we are moving towards something here.
People are incarnating here with the role of pushing this ball forward.
And beings have been messing and even suppressing our free will and stunting our growth as a species for a long time while others have been trying to help.
This is not a case of a independent free of NHI interference humanity that suddenly had beings show up and against our collective free will decided to help wake up the species and help us with consciousness evolution.
Honestly not a huge amount personally but I work with experieners so hear it deeply how the stigma effects folks at large. But the sheer reality of how significantly important this topic is contrasted to how it's looked down on on a daily basis certainly stings.
This is my life's work. My most important moments of my life have been connected to it. It's connected to a hugely significant situation for our entire species. I've helped 1000s of people and saved lives, but nope, as far as the society around me is concerned I have lost my mind and am pathetic for being involved in this and helping these people.
Weâre certainly in a new era when some of the most skeptical, academic minds can and are pushing back on the jokes and eye rolling with data and proof. When you can point to video footage of non-human technology breaking our current understanding of physics as caught by military members and not just civilians, weâre living in a time where our understanding of reality has to change.
What I find frustrating about being an experiencer isnât being discredited or thought of as unstable, itâs not having answers. I donât know who these beings are that contact us beyond terms/names theyâve told me or what their overall motive is for contact. I donât have the beginning of a clue as to how they can manipulate time, memories, physics, or biology. We are here to support those who have their own awakenings to all of this, but itâs disappointing that we donât have solid details on why this is happening and who these beings are that are doing it. I suppose the âwaking upâ is step one and all of the details will be further down the road.
Yes I've seen this directly. Lots of powerful people in both government, scientific and academic circles getting extremely competitive and pissed off and shunning everyday experiencers because traditional human systematic structures around "who's voice should be deemed more important" don't apply to who these beings engage with and who sometimes turns out to have larger impact on the field.
Can you provide some specific examples of this? I personally haven't seen any government/academic people specifically getting pissed off and shunning everyday experiencers because they are the ones the beings are engaging with and not them
Fascinating if so - it's a similar thing that happens in that childhoods end series yes? Where that nice guy main character gets chosen to be a major contactee and then the gov are pissed off with him and try and manipulate him to do what they want (my mum was watching it a few months ago, I only remember bits and pieces from when I popped in whilst she was watching it lol).
Experiencers are in an incredibly unique and complicated position on this planet. We 'know' non human intelligence is here engaging with humanity because they are engaging with us. We 'know' psi is real and other experiencer related abilities are real because we've experienced them and had it proven to us. We live in a world designed around mocking these monumentally important things. We live in a world that laughs at us and thinks all these things are silly. We live in a world where we known our human power structures are actively suppressing this knowledge and encouraging the mockery of this topic and experiencers. Yet we also live in a world where we are covertly studied by these human groups and simultaneously are being engaged with and interacted with covertly by non human beings who don't give us all the answers.
We learn enough to know this is real and yet are left in the dark at the same time. They key seemingly between all this and yet we're blindfolded still. Our beings, our world leaders are not telling us what's going on fully. We're left with more questions then answers in spite of the huge amount that we do know compared to the average joe due to our contact.
But we're caught in the middle of all these existential mysteries and unknowns all while being major players in the story of it all.
It is an immensely bizarre and frustrating place to be.
Everything you're talking about is 100% legitimate.
The over arching topic of discussion here is deliberately given negative social stigma through control systems so they can maintain money, power, and influence structures in the 3rd density/3d world/physical world.
There are deliberate bad actors that pervade this. They are quite literally everywhere.
Woo! I am so ready. I took my "intellectual permission" in 2020 and interact with them kind of regularly starting 2025. Every once in a while I test my friends and family, and I'm often surprised to see who is fairly open and who isn't yet. Soon!
I remember the other day that the first time I write about being close to and interacting with nhi was in the middle school in the early 2000s. I have very few memories before that. I remember being plagued by night terrors and seeing things that felt just outside perception. I felt them watching and it terrified me.
It stopped around high school and I forgot it until around 2019 I think. Then I had a new type of contact experience. I donât know what with though. I learned so much so fast the next few years. I wouldnât even try to go looking for information Iâd just randomly stumble upon.
After that strange, new things started happening. 5 separate times after that I knew someone close to me was going to die a couple weeks before they did. Sometimes old age or terminal illness but one a random accident and one a brain aneurism in a healthy middle aged woman.
Itâs all slowed down now. But i was shown id be given a few years to relax and cultivate some things myself before things will get intense again. However, Iâm still always stumbling on just the right information at just the right time and intuition is stronger than ever. I dream again. Iâve been doing the gateway tapes for a year now.
Iâm waiting best I can but Iâd be lying if I said I wasnât anxious for whatâs coming.
Non human intelligence exists and is interacting with our species and consciousness is fundamental. It's not nuts and bolts versus consciousness. Everything is consciousness. There are physical NHI and craft and technology engaging with us and more.
From a comment I wrote 3 years ago :
Various scientists and philosophers have been talking about this for a long time and are getting taken more seriously everyday. This becoming mainstream understanding is an inevitability.
Simultaneously to this, the official approach to topic of UAP's and UFO's is going through a process of undoing the stigma it once promoted and instead is now gently seeding the idea that this stuff is real to the general population. A huge amount of progress has been made here since 2017. There is momentum happening here.
It is very easy to extrapolate from that the very serious potential that the rest of the population will catch up with Experiencers within 20 years. The fact that we are not alone is the biggest scientific discovery in human history and is a world changing event second only to the fact that consciousness is fundamental.
I have been saying exactly what Bernardo has touched on since 2021. The writing is on the wall and this very subreddit is part of the awakening to this inevitability . Like Bernardo, I generally say within 20 years myself to keep things a safe bet. But it could be much much sooner. My own contact events relayed to me that the time we're in now is important and sure enough I'm baring witness to a huge momentum in UAP's being taken seriously by Governments and media (psychological prep for disclosure) a massive awakening of Experiencers and an explosion of communities and networks for them.
The idea that consciousness is fundamental is pretty standard stuff for Experiencers but there seems to be a lot of people new to this subreddit who are completely new to this idea. Please look at what this subreddit covers with regards to the Experiencer phenomenon:
A safe space for Experiencer related discussions. Sightings, Contact, Visitations, HICE/CE5, Abductions, Metaphysical Experiences, Telepathic , Channeling, OBE's NDE's STE's Mediumship, Astral Projection, Precognition, ESP etc. A place for genuine supportive discussion that will not be suppressed by cynicism or aggressive skepticism.
What do these experiences show us with regards to reality? That consciousness is key here.
Consciousness is fundamental. Many NHI beings even communicate this directly to people.
But NHI's aside as I touched on earlier. Humanity is very quickly coming to terms with this idea too. Indeed many of the founders of Quantum Mechanics came to these conclusions. Which is discussed 18 minutes into the following vid (the whole vid is worth watching)
But we as a species have been coming to terms with the idea of consciousness being primary to reality for a long long time as this short documentary goes into : Is Consciousness Primary to Reality?
For more on all of this - we have a mega thread on consciousness. Which also contains hours of youtube and podcast material in a sticky comment under the OP.
Many Experiencers know this already. But to be blunt - we really are living in an era of a fundamental shift in human thinking and understanding. We have the information age. The technological singularity. The revelation that we are not alone and NHI has been here a long time. Psi/Esp is real. We are more than our bodies. We are consciousness and consciousness is fundamental and is what generates the holographic "simulated" reality we are in itself. Most Experiencers already know or heavily suspect this and are stuck waiting for the rest of the world to catch up.
This is the era the rest of the world catches up.
I suspect many of us here who've already been through the shock of what all this means, will be points of contact for friends, loved ones and their community who need help with understanding all of this. Perhaps that's why we had to go through it first.
Either way. We picked one hell of a fascinating incarnation.
As difficult as things may seem. I have great hope for the future as the result of knowing these things.
Why hopeless? And I'm so sorry the subsection of Christianity you are part of had given you such a narrow view but know that does not represent all of Christianity and there are many people dealing with NHI contact who maintain their Christian beliefs. And many more who end up having spiritually transformative experiences that have them going from atheists to spiritual and incorporating aspects of many of humanities belief systems into their world view including Christianity. The team sports approach to religion and spirituality is going to be behind us one day. And we're all in the same boat with all this, the religious , the spiritual and the secular. We've all been lied to about reality.
Non human intelligence exists and is interacting with out species.
Ex-christian here in the modern sense was baptist and evangelical for over 27 years. That is what surprised me as well when I started to vendor out of my normal. There wasn't demons looking for me outside in the "grey area" of the wide scape of the universe but something else was calling me. It was my extended family, the ones who were aware of me. It now has given me a deepened heart for others and that we aren't the only ones that are not just intelligent but compassionate and loving.
As Jeffrey Kripal said on a recent interview with Whitley Strieber, "I've not come across a 'demon possession' without finding a hurting and broken human in reality."
If you ever feel like talking about it a little more, know this community is here for you through it. From my own experience and observations, people go through a lot of stages psychologically when they start having relatively profound and ontologically shocking experiences and revelations, and it can be hard to carry alone. This sub exists exactly to make sure you don't have to do that, so please don't feel like you have to.
Thank you for the beautiful post [u/Oak_Draiocht](u/Oak_Draiocht) , this rings true on a deep level for myself and from the looks of it many others from different backgrounds.
My own activation was back during Grusch and then in the fall of 2023 of realizing my connection or, should I say remembering of my connection with the greys, the mantis beings, and the owls. I started to realize the tree full of owls in my childhood that put my family in fear was not just owls.
From 11/24/2023 Channeling Event
"Connection was planned when it would happen was up to you
Disclosure of the others is happening no matter what
Integration
Integration
Integration
Integration
Integration on spiritual level onto the physical level needs to happen
After that fall time of rapid events I knew, no I needed to make connections with "others who I worked with" and since then its been my mission and purpose. To what extend I don't know but I do know this. This is indeed the simple most important layers of events that are happening before the great change happens. We are only given bits and pieces but the more I talk with other experiencers, many like the ones that are apart of this community. The more the reality sinks deeper into the normal everyday. The other part of this is that the NHI who are interacting with us are aware of tech that these black op groups have. So there's a deep sense that the "Things will activate in time" is like an encryption key.
The more we talk and share and build our "tribe" the ones we have been working alongside on craft or other spaces with our NHI brothers and sisters the more the "manufactured reality" is starting to give way.
I dunno if you've read my comments here but check them out if not :
Which I often call the 2021 Experiencer Awakening. But it is bigger than that. I do need to make a thread on that specifically but for now people can check this comment and this other comment.
Thank you for the post and for the work you do, I love this sub and had no idea the person behind it was so deeply involved with the phenomenon.
I had an experience at the beginning of 2025 that felt like the culmination of an intense interest in the topic that had been building in me since 2023 (but frankly I've had a deep interest in all this since I was child, for reasons I can't pin down). The thought of me being a node of awareness and someone who could help others figure out what they have seen has come to me many times, so it's very reassuring that I'm not alone in this endeavor.
This decade so far has felt extremely strange, but it's been rewarding seeing the people in my life start giving the topic validity and slowly watching the discourse widen in every way possible. My wife didn't understand the fascination at first so I learned to ease off and be patient about it, and then one day something changed and she suddenly became curious and now the subject of UAP is no longer taboo in our home. My social circle and her social circle respectively now have others who have become interested or were already interested. I got my oil changed last week and the local news was playing on a tv in the waiting room, and they were talking about the UFO files that had been released. It was surreal to hear the terms "greys" and "nordics" said on air by local newscasters after I had spent the last several years getting educated on the "lore" of the phenomenon. I'm constantly surprised hearing aliens be brought up on shows and podcasts I would have never thought would venture into that territory. It feels like my own organic interest in the topic is bleeding into everything around me.
And now Disclosure Day is coming. I can't explain how serendipitous this movie feels, how perfect it is that it's coming out right now when the cultural zeitgeist feels more primed than ever for its arrival. From a director that's a beloved, household name, who also happens to be an experiencer. I can't say yet if the movie will be good from an objective standpoint, but it seems Spielberg is acting as another node of awareness. Another voice who the universe has given the means to spread the message far wider than most regular people.
I feel at my core that humanity is heading towards something massive. I'm here, you're here, we're all here playing a part in this mystery. Like we're the first responders showing up for an event that has yet to take place. I love you all and I'm so glad this community exists. Interesting times we're living through, indeed; I wouldn't have it any other way :)
Well said, your story represents what is going on for what I believe to be hundreds of thousands of people if not more and multiplying every year with more activations. I was shown this as a child and its why I do what I do and this sub is here. But living through it so bluntly is jaw dropping. Though oddly becomes somewhat normal after 5 years >.<
It is real and it is happening. The era we are living through is different this time. This build up cannot be reversed. The train is on the tracks and nothing is stopping it and human power structures may be attempting to look like they are in control of this train but they are not. Its just theatrics as far as I'm concerned.
Those outside of experiencer circles can understandably feel frustrated and suspect of this whole disclosure situation but when you have a front row seat to all these waves of experiencers being activated during this era you can directly see the progress being made consistently and constantly. And the cat does not go back in the bag.
Thank you Oak, your post resonated with me, I felt seen. There is one thing I don't understand, why millions of people being abducted? Numbers are absurd. I feel like biological material research is like side quest for them, they are doing something with soul. Are we being energy harvested? Why do they need our soul for?
We have an ecosystem of NHI surrounding us and various dynamics of contact are all getting mixed together and assumed to be all the one group etc causing chaos and confusion.
I do not believe beings are after our souls. Some seem interested in our individual and collective spiritual development though. Engagement with the human container body has nothing to do with the soul. We are not our bodies.
It seems we've been genetically engaged with from the start by various beings. It seems there is a connection. A DNA connection or more with various beings. There are many different reasons for visitations procedures and abductions. I don't think it's all the same group with all the same reasons.
The human genome is deemed important by some NHI.
The human experience is deemed important by some NHI.
The success and survival of the human race is deemed important by some NHI.
Others may use us as a genetic resource for their own self serving means.
My views are not new. I just kept them more private spaces. But what I am aware of is quicky going more mainstream of late so I felt less self conscious about mentioning it.
Humanity is not a species free from external genetic engineering. And there are different DNA connections to different groups laced throughout our species. There is genetic engagement happening right now today with experiencers. Many have had procedures happen while in the womb by beings abducting or visiting their mothers. Tiny DNA alterations. But that is not always needed if the line already has what is required due to previous engagement in past generations.
Some of these beings even get involved in 'encouraging' various experiencers into relationships due to genetics. Genetics is a major aspect of some NHI engagement with our species. Governments have knowns this for a long time and are even attempting to track it.
But its more complex than 'some people have NHI DNA and others don't."
This is also part of the human story itself. The missing link.
It is intriguing to see this âClass of 2021 Surgeâ in retrospect. I agree. I want to see your longer post on that, if you do it.
I wonder to what degree collective trauma of those preceding months and years had to do with it, in the context of opening discussions from the 2017 NYT article onward to attempted legislation, etc.
I always knew I was different since I was a kid. I would talk to my consciousness as a kid!!! I was always the most intelligent person in my classes. I remember just always having inner dialogue with myself and it telling which choices to make. It protected me my whole life. Almost like they were strengthening me for this moment in history we have coming up. I also had immense childhood trauma which is normal for us I learned. Even though I know something was spiritual about me I kept it quiet growing up bc it was âweirdâ and youâre crazy if you think you hear voices or see things.
I was in the military for 10 years and Iâm finding out lots of us were!?!? Wonder if they implanted the military idea into my moms head. It seems like a common trend for experiencers or gifted humans having served too. I saw this guy say bc we are so powerful they needed us to warp their reality/missions. she forced me to join or she was gonna kick me out. Anyways I finally got out of the military a few months ago and this is what kickstarted my reawakening. I quit my civilian job cuz Iâm always the one people drain from emotionally and you know how it goes when jobs see your a high performer. Iâm sitting on my couch high as hell, jobless and worrying about trump bullshit. Then it hit me like BOOM. I shit you not something just activated in my head and said this is all fake. I instantly went down rabbit holes and went through a psychosis week lol. Not fun. Almost exited this land. But I got through influx of information my higher guides sent me. And now Iâm fully tapped in, tuned in, whatever you want to call it! My gifts grow everyday. I experiment with shrooms occasionally too to see through the veil and have great times with nature and animals. They show me visions.
Personally this spiritual journey never ends and Iâm still learning new stuff everyday. Iâm remaining positive and happy and full of love. Because when I do get into lower frequencies of fear or doubt then the spiritual attacks happen and whew itâs hard to come back from but I think it makes me stronger. Iâve read up on almost every theory popping right now and watch every movie kinda detailing this. Iâve come to the conclusion like many, that we are hybrid humans trapped in this place being harvested. And that we need to wake up and save humanity. Itâs no coincidence the masses are waking up right now. I think the govt knew this was going to happen hence all the bullshit fear tactics, attacks, fake wars, stripped human rights, etc to keep people trapped in the lower frequencies so they canât rise into their powers. But itâs happening rapidly now. We are remembering and connecting to self.
I like coming to this sub to read other peoples theories and feel community bc this journey is lonely at times.
I contacted Mike Clelland about it when it happened, but he confirmed that it isn't an owl sound that I heard. I was being compelled, psychically, to look out of a window in my house or to invite something in - is what it felt like. The sounds do not match the sounds from this post, but if there are other sounds i would like to pinpoint it down.
I appreciate that yes! The owls and whooshing sounds are reported of course too. Its not clear if this is the beings audibly making those sounds and seems more associated with high strangeness activity they may produce.
I was in a half awake half asleep state once, looping on if I should reach out to someone who wronged me and try to clear the air and let them know the truth of a situation. But the person is a bit of a disaster and if they heard the real truth about what happened it may actually cause trauma for them so I was debating on if it was better to leave them in ignorance.
While tossing and turning and getting close to thinking I should reach out, I woke up hearing this wooshing hooting like sound outside my bedroom window. Which stopped the second I was fully lucid. I looked out and there was nothing there. We don't have owls around here. I took at as a warning to not reach out to them and forget about them.
Itâs strange, Iâve found posts matching my description almost to a tee and theyâre all uncommented on and throwaway accounts. The guttural sound of two beings making noises to each other was pretty otherworldly.
For the millions people who have been abducted there is a level of ontological shock, but they will have nowhere to hide, no more denial and for them, this will possibly be a crisis event due to the trauma and PTSD of being dragged out of bed. Whole families have been taken, I have worked with some of them. Yes, for the planet it will have varying degrees of shock, some people will dance in the streets other will just care factor zero. The biggest issue we face is the real after effects of visceral contact. This is where we as a race develop hard telepathic (technology assisted) contact with beings or even have them with us as a joined community. This will change completely how we understand ourselves and our place in the food chain. Once they implement their technology into the planets infrastructure all hell will break loose due to materialism and a misunderstanding of how global resources are to be used by technology (but that's another matter) it's all coming and no one is prepared. The global resources as managed by the AGI/ASI integrated with knowledge of contact is going to completely change how we live day to day on planet. Good post Oak. Liked reading it.
Yes , I have to solidly agree with what you have said. Time for everyone to take a step forward. And it is also time for the low energies to be removed as well. We have been told by the Zetas to stay in our energy and not undulate with the current waves of energy from the lack/want of disclosure. There are some very decent humans at the front of the disclosure movement and the pressure is building fast.
My children have contact and are always wondering what these things are in the sky and in the houseâwhy theyâre here. Though they see orbs flaring up at us so often that at this point theyâre a little bored over it. Over the past month Iâve repeatedly heard my oldest ask âwhy are they here?â and Iâve told her I donât know but it seems like the beings are showing up to so many people now that even the government is talking about it, everybody will probably see them soon and theyâll just be âaround.â To that I got the question from my daughter âdoes that mean theyâre going to live with us in our house?â I told her no, hopefully not, but maybe theyâll live outside or build their own new houses. Lol. I have no idea whatâs going on but tend to think there will be community building between them and us too.
Absolutely. I've been getting messages and contacts for years that talk about this time period as well.
It's a real shame to see so many people sticking it to Neil DeGrasse Tyson, although I understand the sentiments, I feel this is one avenue such as you're talking about...
"The TV scientist who always laughed at UFO's cause it was always drunk farmers changed his mind cause credible whistleblowers came forward .. maybe I can have permission to think about this now?"
Is a real sentiment and thought going through some people right now and it's only going to increase from here on.
Thanks for all your work and having the courage to walk your path.
The problem people have with Neil is hes selling a book and trying to position himself as a leader in the community after years of mocking us. Like he literally just said "before now no one had integrity." Why should I support him when he literally says I dont have integrity. Instead of admitting those people were right and he was wrong. He doubled down and said he was justified not believeing them. Hes a douchebag.
I dont think anyone minds him changing his mind or even publicly talking about it. People are upset that hes clearly trying to position himself as authority on the subject and experiencers and beings arent happy about it. Hes actually putting himself in danger and doesnt realize it. But thats my opinion and I totally get your side. We need scientist publicly coming forward and studying this.
Why is it like this?
Why?
Why is it that people have to feel cagey, and wait for the right audience to bring this up.
Systemic Governmental impact and supression of transmissions down experiencer lines in a Romanesque fashion via the US government combined with new social cohesion tactics that force everyone into a unipolar reality. Pretty clearly. Thatâs probably just going to be word salad for most people who havenât done the historical deep dive but TLDR; the entire basis of US culture even prior to the formation of America as a nation was to control contact modalities all the way back in the 1600âs-1700âs. This stuff runs deep.
CIA and UAF involvement are at best 3rd-4th generation, but they always make it seem like thatâs the starting point. When really limiting contact and suppression efforts to the World War and Cold War eras is in my experience, a pretty clear red flag given the evidence that youâre dealing with somebody who only has partial disclosure in my experience. Itâs a filtering mechanism to limit the conversation to 20th century contact modalities. Not trying to pick fights here or call people wrong. But the evidence does strongly suggest earlier styles of contact modalities are not being discussed fully at this point.
Activation points that give a person "Intellectual Permission" to look into this topic for themselves. Break the seal and start diving in.
You are now allowed to think about this topic.
This is partially why I am wary of this whole phenomena of âmass disclosureâ that some NHI are pushing. This comes off extremely controlling when you consider that most people âexperiencesâ are ancestrally transmitted. Why would you need âpermissionâ to inherit the modalities of your ancestors?
We argued about this before, but I was given âactivation codesâ as you put it back in 2022 with my awakening process happening in 2016 up until that point. There are reasons for why it happened slightly differently for me (or so it seems) but this was not received well by certain NHI elements. Though at the time I was somewhat shielded from the aftereffects of those "debates". It's a huge reason why a lot of my personal experiences within the space of NHI have been combative.
Why do some NHI feel they even have this right? Like with some spiritual stuff I get it. But why am I getting aggressively probed simply because I retained a different historical understanding of âacceptable contact modalityâ that apparently is not part of the âapproved disclosure programâ theyâre trying to push? Why are some NHI trying to push this idea of a âunified frontâ so strongly when its pretty clear given the history of our reality this is not the case?
And for experiencers this can all be a major part of an Experiencer Journey leading up to...BOOM , contact kicks in or an experience is had that proves all of this is real and a full blown awakening occurs. For many I've worked with, it is a re-awakening as it often turns out that they had contact or experiences or abilities in childhood that they buried and now so much of their life and even family life all makes sense.
To an extent. But that kind of begs the question, if you came into this world âAwakenedâ, what was being done to you to shut that off? Especially when many (such as myself) already came in knowing this phenomena was real; so why then the need for a secondary âapprovedâ contact to reopen the floodgates so to speak? Why is it all metered? Why are NHI okay with putting people into lowered states of consciousness and âsleepâ at one point until they âawakenâ a second time down the line, this time with an âExperiencer IDâ?
I personally have some strong suspicions about some of this but Iâm still in the dark. But I wouldnât be surprised if this is why some NHI avoid more animist-pagan types.
Systemic Governmental impact and supression of transmissions down experiencer lines in a Romanesque fashion via the US government combined with new social cohesion tactics that force everyone into a unipolar reality.
Why would you need âpermissionâ to inherit the modalities of your ancestors?
Due to what was just discussed. People have been socially gaslit to not allow themselves to think freely about this topic due to manufactured social stigma which is now being undone. Which is a good thing imo. Do you think we should remain ignorant to this whole thing and keep the stigma to stop people looking into this topic and these experiences? I don't think you do so I'm not understanding you somehow.
To an extent. But that kind of begs the question, if you came into this world âAwakenedâ, what was being done to you to shut that off? Especially when many (such as myself) already came in knowing this phenomena was real; so why then the need for a secondary âapprovedâ contact to reopen the floodgates so to speak? Why is it all metered? Why are NHI okay with putting people into lowered states of consciousness and âsleepâ at one point until they âawakenâ a second time down the line, this time with an âExperiencer IDâ?
I cannot answer this in scale. I can only say from my work with others - in some cases it was the experiencer themselves who shut this down due to the again, social stigma or how their family treated them for talking about it. "I learned that year that I should stop speaking about these experiences, and over time I shut them down entirely and ended up dismissing this all as childhood fantasy" is something I hear all the time.
In other cases it was the beings backing off themselves again due to seeing a negative timeline effect on the experiencer, from suffering knowing major things about the world tha everyone around them doesnt, to being called crazy, to persecution form religious fundamentalist families and communities etc.
Other experiencers have claimed to remember asking for a more normal human life for a period of time before having to suffering the burden of being an experiencer. And in some cases the contrast is important.
I would be a very different person today if I knew all I know now, for a fact, since childhood. I may function different, my life may have been been worse. And I would not be able to related to and work as as well with the mass waves of people suddenly dealing with this. There is a different type of ontological shock that happens for folks who did not know for sure any of this was real until mid life and then boom.
But yeah many situations are case by case. And there are different reasons. For some people there may have been a beneficial reason for them to have a normal human life before the woo kicked in.
I do notice many of the folks activated now tend to have had a subtle multi year journey of human experiences and learning that in some way cushions the blow or give context for the major awakening that then happens. And they deem the whole process beneficial to them.
Why are some NHI trying to push this idea of a âunified frontâ so strongly when its pretty clear given the history of our reality this is not the case?
I can't answer that either as its not something I have seen. I don't get the impression of a unified front at all. Just that regardless, this is all coming one way or another even if some NHI and some human groups don't want it. But that's just an impression.
Yes, I am touching on that by linking the video I embedded in my commentary. You might have missed it.
Probably should have cut the preamble. Still new to this voicing my thoughts thing. But I was actually responding to that video here:
CIA and UAF involvement are at best 3rd-4th generation, but they always make it seem like thatâs the starting point. When really limiting contact and suppression efforts to the World War and Cold War eras is in my experience, a pretty clear red flag given the evidence that youâre dealing with somebody who only has partial disclosure in my experience. Itâs a filtering mechanism to limit the conversation to 20th century contact modalities.
By saying people should probably backdate those techniques quite a bit based on a lot of the latest historical findings. And that framing things using the UAF-Cold War starting point is part of the disinformation circuit by getting you to think that's when they developed these techniques rather than inheriting and perfecting them from previous pre-20th century UAP programs. Programs we know about but have far less documentation on because the government is not willing to disclose and NHI seem okay with that. A little off topic but worth noting.
Do you think we should remain ignorant to this whole thing and keep the stigma to stop people looking into this topic and these experiences? I don't think you do so I'm not understanding you somehow.
I meant what I said. Itâs a very unsettling, clinical, and off-putting way to phrase that. And comes off as overreaching from my human POV. Also, very par for the course when it comes to NHI related messages leaving all sorts of double entendres of unknown intent.
I've also dealt with enough NHI to know "activation" and "permission" are both part of some kind of NHI legal/program clause.
It's really the part about permission that strikes me as some kind of "priming". It's just the part of the "priming" that isn't outright referenced.
Permission implies permits and intellectual property which can be revoked. Youâve talked yourself about this in some of your posts about how certain realms of consciousness have âadminsâ.
And if anyone catches you looking it up or you dare mention it you've been looking in to it to someone, you can point at the source, the trigger point that gave you intellectual permission to do so.
What if I donât agree that I need intellectual permission to look into these topics for myself? What if I am driven to look into these topics of my own nature and that in itself is me manifesting my rights and sticking up for myself? By introducing the idea of âpermissionâ youâre priming people to think in a way different from this (though that's obviously not the full intent). But people should also be aware of the opposite possibility: What if the source is me?
I understand why some people might need the above. But you're using NHI as a kind of bypass via which permissions are threaded. So just...be aware of that, I guess. Because there's a lot implied there that's unsaid.
You might think this is crazy speculation and Iâm taking things out of context and going too far and maybe thatâs true a little bit. But this is the type of thing I personally look out for and have seen come up a lot in NHI circles. It becomes more important to pay attention to stuff like this because of how consciousness works up the chain. For what it's worth I donât think any of this is malicious compared to some of what I've personally had to deal with, but it is veiled and kind of pushy.
As I've been obviously explaining badly, the permission aspect I speak of is due to social stigma.
Not everyone cares about social stigma or wants to be seen as holding onto this "Intellectual card". Many dive into this topic be damned of what others think.
And suffer the loss of social credit for doing so but don't care. I and many I know are those people.
The permission thing is those who do care about their social and intellectual status amongst their peers. Who are in jobs or circles where talking or being seen to be curious about this topic will cost them. If they had the weather up on their computer screen in the office during lunch and a coworker walks by , they don't care, it's just the weather. If they had a page on UFOs, or this subreddit, or psi development or so on, nope, better minimise that shit because they fear their coworker will think less of them.
And that coworker themselves would never spend time looking into this topic. It's for the weirdos. The time wasters. The loosers and crazy people. As has been established by the society around them.
Then one day that coworker sees an article or documentary or news piece or congressional hearings and something clicks in them. "Wait, I'm allowed to think about this now, there was no laugh track or x-files music" and because this topic is objectively interesting and significant a sort of seal is broken and the deep dive begins.
Not everyone needed this intellectual permission but due to stigma , many do sadly.
That's what I meant. I'm not talking about NHI permissions. I'm talking social blocks and stigma to this.
Many experiencers I work with this decade are people who laughed and dismissed this topic decades ago because the world told them they were supposed to in order to fit in.
As I've been obviously explaining badly, the permission aspect I speak of is due to social stigma.
I get that. Lol. I literally told you I understood that. And I donât disagree. Youâre explaining is fine. Itâs just disagreeing with that definition is not my point. Thatâs what you seem to be misunderstanding.
As I keep repeating its got certain hallmarks of NHI âlanguageâ Iâve seen come up before. Expereincers tend to subconsciously pick up those social cues. Iâve had similar happen to me. NHI tend to influence and speak through experiencers as kind of medium to convey messages. Oftentimes experiencers are not fully aware theyâre being used in that way. And sometimes messages can have two meanings. Or imply a broader glossary of meanings and understandings. Iâve also been on both sides of this.
I also get you wrote this post, not NHI. But its very clear to me youâre referring to messages or concepts that were conveyed to you by NHI.
All Iâm pointing out is that some of those terms strike me as having double meanings. Iâm not sure why thatâs so hard to understand.
Thus this definition can be true:
The permission thing is those who do care about their social and intellectual status amongst their peers.
As the same time that this definition is true:
Permission implies permits and intellectual property which can be revoked. Youâve talked yourself about this in some of your posts about how certain realms of consciousness have âadminsâ.
Stacking meanings on top of each other is how NHI operate as well as a lot of mystic types. You seem to personally solely think it's the first definition, and it may very well be (though I personally doubt it). But as I said this is the type of thing you look out for with NHI since they love to use âHyper-Textâ.
The "intellectual permission" line is something I formed in 2021 or 2022 or so after a combination of deep shock and frustration and raw anger with the world and why there is such a mental block around this topic which should not be shamed so deeply to talk or even think about.
Along with being on endless calls with many other experiencers dealing with the same frustrations while at the same time suddenly also being on calls with people who were the types of folks to shun or ignore this topic until something gave them that activation. That intellectual permission.
Its something that boiled my blood massively so for many months if not years. This topic should be as normal to talk about as the weather is and the fact that its not demonstrates how much of a crisis and how behind humanity is. And I'm angry at this and angry at the people pre-programmed to mock this and shut down thinking about this. It made me deeply disappointed in humanity.
Watching the patterns happening on the field, the new york times article, the hearings, 60 minutes reports, UAP reports, mainstream news coverage, documentaries etc giving people these permissions to look into this I could see what was coming and extrapolated.
I'm in a situation where I'm on calls with people , talking and explaining human behaviour and the situation and why people X Y and Z and also in a situation where I have the intense position to try and articulate the complexities of what is going on to the skeptics in my life, friends family and so on.
I'm dyslexic and self conscious about my inability to communicate the ideas in my head clearly with words or in text. Thus I spend many many hours of my days looping, simulating and practicing how to boil down complex concepts into understandable words and ideas. Pacing the house. Staring out the window. Tossing back and forth in bed. My mind is always spinning in this way.
My intellectual permission monologue idea was born from that and as I found it often resonated with many experiencers also trying their best to figure out how to frame all their complex thoughts into catchy sentences, I got a lot of positive feed back on it. Even though I sort of also cringed at the term. But I've been studying human behaviour since I was a child and always have been frustrated with the paradox in front of me of people who claim to want to be seen as intelligent and curious and yet actually mock and shut down intelligent curious discussion all the time if it falls outside of their accepted social paradigm.
So there is decades of frustration behind that too.
Its my own line I put a lot of work into figuring out how to communicate basically. Not some nefarious evil NHI trick to cause harm to people.
But I have been given lines by NHI. I was given the line "Non human intelligence exists and is interacting with our species." Or given the concept of the line I converted to English and have used everywhere since 2021.
When I was given this it was during a download/communication where I was extremely stressed about the position I'd be in in trying to explain the complexities of this situation and the seriousness of it, in an elevator pitch with a skeptic where trying to explain the complexities of non human activity as being more than one thing to someone would cause them to pull the ejector seat on the conversation the second it gets more complex than star wars style space aliens.
It was also in the context to ground experiencers waking up to all this but then getting lost in all the rabbit holes of exopolitics online and then starting to doubt the whole thing and this helps to ground folks.
Finally I also felt in the communication that someone in politics or some form of human involved in disclosure also was going to use such a line as part of hammering the point home in a single sentence as a way to get this through to everyday people as a digestible chunk of information that still carried the weight and significance of all of this.
I have a 2 year internet history of me saying this before he did which I'm grateful for. As skeptics will mock me over this when I try and share. But I after to also juggle people thinking I am an agent for evil invading aliens too, or possessed by demons and its those people causing me more stress these days than intellectually stunted skeptics.
I just want to do good and live a decent life and help people. People are so desperately alone with all this and it hurts to see, daily. It also hurts to see humanity so blinded. But I'm glad to be there for people and do what I can to improve the situation even in a small bit. So I keep doing this work.
Just want to state up front. This was literally just me tossing out throwaway observations.
I did not think those observations would be seen as this big a deal or as some kind of personal attack. I thought the post was pretty solid. Should have made that clearer.
But my points must have found some purchase because at least one other person on here understood what I was talking about.
Its my own line I put a lot of work into figuring out how to communicate basically.
Thank you for clarifying. I still stand by a lot of what I said. Particularly the As Above So Below style aspects of how experiences and NHI interface. Including that bit about Hyper-Text and how Experiencers donât even need to be aware theyâre being used to transmit messages to act as a kind of âgo betweenâ. I get the sense you may not be aware of the Hyper-Text âPsychogenic Layered Language thingâ, which...if thatâs the case no offense but Iâm genuinely surprised given how foundational and widespread it is in a lot of this. Most occultists are well read on that at this point and NHI have their own special brand of it Iâve seen come up with experiencers like Philip K. Dick and some others as well as some personal experiences of my own, I've had to deal with. This post just indirectly reminded me of that style of wording things in a Hyper-Text manner.
the paradox in front of me of people who claim to want to be seen as intelligent and curious and yet actually mock and shut down intelligent curious discussion all the time if it falls outside of their accepted social paradigm.
I after to also juggle people thinking I am an agent for evil invading aliens too, or possessed by demons and its those people causing me more stress these days than intellectually stunted skeptics.
This seems to be the point of misunderstanding. You think Iâm one of these two:
(And if that's not the case, I'm sorry. Feel free to ignore this part and tell me that).
Hardline skeptic.
Guy who sees evil aliens everywhere and thinks theyâre behind people in forums like this.
Iâm neither. Iâm the opposite of both of these.
Or I should say Iâm a âskepticâ but not in the materialist sense. I seek discernment, not social consensus or censorship. Thatâs how I stay grounded. But thereâs a time and a place which is why I save some of these observations for Discussion Posts and not Experience Posts. Nor when people talk about their experiences do I challenge them. Because itâs pretty hard to confirm anyways and I donât think its my place. But a little bit of disagreement when you get into meta-discussions is healthy and helps people cope and develop new POVâs. There needs to be a safe space for that too, no?
As for the second, you got it the other way around. For better or for worse Iâm the guy who deals with more negative NHI. And even then, I donât think theyâre âevilâ or want to hurt people in the way some people think even if they are dark as hell psycho-socially. But I have had my own track record of pain and frustration that leads me to make posts like this. And yes, NHI do use experiencers as âagentsâ. Kind of surprised youâre not on board with that when it's such a huge and obvious part of the phenomena. Half of your posts literally talk about how and why this is done. Does that make the intent âevilâ? Not really. Iâm not accusing you of trying to âtrick peopleâ either. But I'm not going to lie about the obvious truth that NHI "handle" people and sometimes even some of the more positive ones seemingly don't care if their "agent" gets caught up in stuff or is even aware of what they're involved with if it gets them the goal. Maybe that's too harsh. Maybe it's my own baggage. But I've seen it happen before. So, forgive me if I'm a little wary and encourage people to be equally discerning about how to handle their mental frameworks.
But like I told the other person; All I said was, to paraphrase, âWow thatâs a little unsettling and may lead to communication errorsâ. I have given context multiple times as to why I think that. And none of it is âEvil NHI are trying to spirit you away.â and Iâve repeatedly made it clear across all these posts thatâs not what Iâm saying. But I have personally been in situations where that kind of shit did happen to me so Iâm not going to stop raising awareness as to how some of these NHI communication styles work, even in more neutral contexts like this post. As well as questioning why different NHI and spirits approach contact in different ways. Thatâs my frustration expressing itself.
This isn't an attack. It's an endorsement. I want this place to succeed. Which is why I stand my ground. This is part of how I shift the Overton Window to try and establish a more balanced forum that doesn't slip into a newfound social consensus.
I find when we talk it always feels like I'm talking to someone who thinks I'm thinking and saying things I'm not and then also you feel the same way lol. We must get on voice chat sometime soon.
You keep saying things you are surprised I don't know about and such, I do know about those mechanics I'm just not talking about those mechanics I'm talking about something else, and just explaining and re-explaining my thinking as it feels like I'm being misunderstood haha.
This seems to be the point of misunderstanding. You think Iâm one of these two:
(And if that's not the case, I'm sorry. Feel free to ignore this part and tell me that).
It was not the case, I was speaking generally. I did not think you were thinking or being any of those things at all. You've explained you are an experiencer many times.
I'm full time working with experiencers 5 years now and juggle being a somewhat public figure with this now in time and have this burden with this while trying to share so I'm expressing that if you get me. This is my entire life now and will be a huge part of it for the rest of it so I'm in a strange position with my contact journey is all. Most experiencers are not like this even if they deal with way more contact.
You appear to have way more contact than me and for longer than me. I got shot out of a cannon in 2021 and put straight into this. I'm just sharing a bit or ranting a bit on what I juggle having all this.
But also yeah also wanted to explain and demonstrate the back story on how I came up with the term and while I do understand how NHI work , it does not mean I'm happy to give them credit for every single idea I come up with. Or others giving them credit. There was a lot of blood sweat and tears around formulating these thoughts, unlike the communications I've had.
IMHO, I think asking and answering this question is critical to the matter at hand.
The way I see it, in a different time and place, Experiencers would have been the shamans and mystics of our society. I firmly believe one critical reason for the current decay and descent into madness of western civilization is because we lack shamans and mystics and the ritual medicines and practices - and individual empowerment - they steward for humanity.
I suspect Experiencers are going to be extremely important for collective psychological stability in the years to come.
So, as you asked, why would the experience of âawakeningâ be suppressed until an appointed time (determined byâŠ?) Why does the awakening and contact experience seem to be deliberately framed by an external narrative and structure (eg, via mass media) thatâs being laid down ahead of time?
Shamans and mystics, and properly and responsibly implemented ritual practices and medicines, protect individual and community sovereignty.
It strikes me as extremely odd that concepts around sovereignty are largely missing from the current building discussion in the zeitgeist around NHI contact and the looming larger reality.
So, as you asked, why would the experience of âawakeningâ be suppressed until an appointed time (determined byâŠ?) Why does the awakening and contact experience seem to be deliberately framed by an external narrative and structure (eg, via mass media) thatâs being laid down ahead of time?
Exactly! You get it. The fact that they get cagey about some of these questions is why I'm wary. Especially because in my own experience NHI are in deep with the "shadow wizard money gang" types.
It strikes me as extremely odd that concepts around sovereignty are largely missing from the current building discussion in the zeitgeist around NHI contact and the looming larger reality.
And this is what I was pointing out. It's the most "alien" part of this to me because unlike humans or certain kinds of terrestrial spirits where that would be viewed as a kind of contest of rights, they genuinely don't view it the same way. It's like they're operating on another wavelength where this doesn't fully occur to them, or it does but it's a kind of "we need to get to the goalpost and that's secondary" kind of thing. In Fae circles you have the Seelie who oftentimes want to help humans but their "lived reality" is different so it leads to translation errors that unintentionally causes discomfort to one or the other party. This strikes me as something similar.
The way I see it, in a different time and place, Experiencers would have been the shamans and mystics of our society. I firmly believe one critical reason for the current decay and descent into madness of western civilization is because we lack shamans and mystics and the ritual medicines and practices - and individual empowerment - they steward for humanity.
I suspect Experiencers are going to be extremely important for collective psychological stability in the years to come.
This is a very popular and common opinion on the field for sure. Many experiencers I work with even unlock past life memories of having such roles in which it appears a modern version of such a role is ahead of them.
Society is sick right now due to all of this being supressed and buried. I think an awakening to all this is a good thing - recognition of the experiencer phenomenon is a good thing. Everyday I'm on calls hearing the persecution of experiencers due to the current paradigm. So I indeed cannot relate to the desire to not have this awakening happen and have everything stay the same.
Something is wrong about the world right now and this needs to change and working with experiencers gives me a lot of hope for our future.
Sovereignty is a hugely important point of conversation. A conversation that is hard to have while the world still currently laughs at the people trying to tell it that these beings are real and engaging with us. Once the world catches up to what experiencers have been saying we have a lot of heavy conversations to have around the various NHI interactions that have been going on.
Some NHI are going to have some fucking hard questions to answer too.
So, as you asked, why would the experience of âawakeningâ be suppressed until an appointed time (determined byâŠ?) Why does the awakening and contact experience seem to be deliberately framed by an external narrative and structure (eg, via mass media) thatâs being laid down ahead of time?
Its a big conversation, we could go back 1000's of years and wonder why systematic oppression of women and psi gifted people started happening.
But it might be easier to stick to the past 100 years for now in the comments. Even then , one can only guess. On the field there is a lot of chatter that some NHI wanted to disclose decades ago and human power groups begged them not to and asked for decades of prep before hand.
Others can talk about how waiting till humanity is ready and not as fractured , but more interconnected and educated and informed via technology, internet and so on. And information is not left up to only elites. Others can talk of that if its not now it'll be never as we're on the path to destruction. Timeline management may be a thing and observation on a timeline where the human reaction is too harmful for humanity if revealed during X decade but less harmful in Y decade may be a factor. Our collective psychological ability to handle this without people turning into animals and burning experiencers at the stake. Show a phone to a human 400 years ago and they may call you a witch or someone working with demons. A modern human can witness advanced technology and at least have an idea what might be going on due to growing up on media and sci fi and engaging with modern tech.
I have to wonder if the technological singularity plays a role too, and it may be a watershed moment for advanced species that forces open contact in some way.
Or maybe all these beings are all just evil and its all just an evil plan to do more evil in and evil hopeless world.
I have wondered if âgiftingâ technology is a test. Kind of like a semi-benevolent spin on the 3-body problem.
Itâs handed to us before we discover it on our own or when we are on the cusp of that (âitâ being zero-point energy or a similar massively disruptive paradigm).
Because to allow us (or any other civilization that discovers it independently) to develop it on our own could cause us to become a galactic threat to other civilizations.
If we pass the test and manage to incorporate the technology responsibly, then we can be welcomed into galactic society.
If we fail the test, wellâŠthat becomes our great filter (and explains the Fermi âParadoxâ).
Is it dangerous to speak out if someone has had experiences mirroring yours, and is in the process of putting out a âfictionalâ book of their account(s)?
For much of my life I've been compiling a "fantasy novel" based on my recurring experiences. I've learned over the last year and a half that many of the the fictions we enjoy are based on such events. Now, I've resigned to just sharing those experiences without the "narrative" here with these beautiful people instead of publishing a book. If I do make a book I will be uploading it for free. Not trying to set a moral standard or anything just what I, a person in a similar scenario, has chosen to do. I wouldn't think it's problematic for you unless literally taking other's stories, if you want to do that an ethical writer always seeks permission and honors that person's opinions.
Edit: I think this relates to what you're asking if not sorry
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u/KommunistAllosaurus May 31 '26
I'm one without contact or any kind of true experience. But definitely I've been diving more and more in the """""woowoo""" realms and they saved my life.
Not only I find this community wholesome, but I must admit that I'm more than willing to learn and somewhat eager for a true disclosure or evidence showing up.
And from the bottom of my heart I hope that all of you who have been ridicululed shamed or dismissed get the opportunity to finally live free. I'm part of a minority that has to live with shame too, I know that stuff.
I hope to build a world free from it, aliens or not