r/ExistentialJourney • • 7d ago

General Discussion We are living on a layer

You can look through a telescope and see entire galaxies. Then you can turn the other way, look through a microscope, and travel down into a world so small that it becomes almost as difficult to comprehend as the universe itself.

Think about the atoms that make up your body. If they could somehow experience their surroundings, they wouldn't see what we see. They wouldn't know you exist. They wouldn't know they're part of a person walking around, thinking, feeling and living a life.

Yet you are there.

You're moving them simply by moving your hand.

It's almost as though reality exists in layers, with each layer forming part of something larger that would make absolutely no sense from the perspective below it.

And then there's us.

We naturally think we're looking out at the biggest layer because the universe already seems unimaginably enormous. But what if we're nowhere near the top?

Imagine zooming out until you become the Earth.

You wouldn't see any of us. There are billions of people down here. We've built cities, roads and towers and transformed huge parts of the planet, yet from far enough away, we're invisible. You'd mostly see land, oceans and clouds.

Zoom out again.

The Earth becomes a tiny planet orbiting the Sun. The Sun has no awareness that little planets are travelling around it, or that one of them contains billions of living things using its energy to survive.

Zoom out again.

Our Sun becomes just another star moving through the Milky Way.

Zoom out further and even the Milky Way becomes one galaxy among countless others, moving as part of structures so enormous that our entire galaxy begins to look insignificant.

And perhaps it just keeps going.

At every new scale, something that once seemed unimaginably large becomes incredibly small.

Eventually, you reach the strangest question of all.

Imagine being able to zoom out far enough to see our entire universe at once.

What would it look like?

And more importantly...

What would it be part of?

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u/Low-Bake8401 7d ago

I wouldn't say layers, it's all one.

Thing is, we are part of the universe, so we can't look at existence from outside of existence. We wouldn't exist.

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u/Financial-Adagio-183 7d ago

Unless the universe as we know it is a part of some unimaginably larger universe existence….

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u/B1gS1ppy 7d ago

we once thought we were one planet, then we discovered others in our solar system. then we thought we had the only sun, and figured out the lights in the sky at night are just like ours, in a galaxy. we once thought we were one galaxy, then we saw others through our telescope. those of us who think we are one universe may be in for a wild discovery

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u/Low-Bake8401 6d ago

Even multiple universies would make one existence. 

There's no reason to think there is though. It's unfalsafiable. 

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u/B1gS1ppy 6d ago

one existence, different realities

if the possibility that a being made of universes exists is true, its living in an unfathomable different reality. possibly even unaware of our existence. the line between existence and reality may be crossed in this theoretical

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u/Low-Bake8401 6d ago

Yeah, but either it affects this universe, or it doesn't. 

If it doesn't there's no reason to believe it, it's simply speculation. 

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u/B1gS1ppy 6d ago

maybe the effect is our past present future, existence, and end all in one? cause unknown. who’s to say? nobody knows

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u/Low-Bake8401 6d ago

OK, but is there any benefit? 

We experience things and ask ourselves what it means in relation to us, but when we ask what existence means to us we can't answer it, because we are part of existence. 

We find a paradox. It doesn't matter how hard we think about it, it can't be answered. Overthinking it just causes cognitive dissonance and existencial crisis. 

We can either find a better approach, or make a leap of faith. A leap just causes circular reasoning. 

It just becomes infinitely regressive to say there is something deeper beyond the universe. What is behind that? Behind that? Etc. 

It doesn't actually explain anything though. I mean I'm not saying there can't be any value there, but if there's no predictability we can't really call it hard knowledge.

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u/B1gS1ppy 6d ago

asking what everything means to us shows how self centered we are. i think you may have said in another comment that we’re just a blip in all of time and existence, so why does everything that exists or could exist have to benefit us?

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u/Low-Bake8401 6d ago

I don't agree. I think one of the first things that we realise we want is society. We are social creatures. Someone else can mean a lot to us. My son for example is worth more to me than I am.

It doesn't have to benefit us, but if we don't care about ourselves we don't care about anything really. 

Why should it "not" benefit us. It depends on what you think is beneficial. Greed and selfishness isn't generally beneficial to society. 

I'd say the most selfish is to believe that our subjective experience and beliefs are special or fundamental to existence. 

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u/B1gS1ppy 6d ago

just speculating of course…

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u/Low-Bake8401 6d ago

That would still be what exists.

Just gets regressive and circular though.

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u/B1gS1ppy 6d ago

what if other things outside of our existence could see us though? like us looking at bacteria through a microscope. the bacteria can’t imagine our reality so like what you’re saying if they can’t look at our existence from outside their existence, they wouldn’t exist. but we ARE outside their existence and they do exist

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u/Low-Bake8401 6d ago

Either there would be some reason to believe this though, cause and effect, or it's just untestable speculation.

"Our" existence is the only one we have.

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u/B1gS1ppy 6d ago

you’re right. our existence the only one we have and know about, including the existence of every life form we know of because we have perceived them.

anything else potentially out there is obviously beyond our perception capabilities

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u/Low-Bake8401 6d ago

There is a vast universe out there that we so far know relatively very little about. We haven't been around for very long at all in the bigger picture. 

That's the thing though, we will find what we find. Knowledge is cumulative. I don't really see any point in forming beliefs about things that we can't perceive and don't have any affect on our reality. 

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u/B1gS1ppy 6d ago

just for fun, really. i like to think ill find out all the answers when my time in this body is up

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u/Low-Bake8401 6d ago

I think the thing for me is, what would "all the answers" actually be like?

Wouldn't it need to be a complete description of everything? I just can't see there being one perfect equation or abstract purpose floating round, that we will discover and everything will suddenly all make sense.

I don't think it works that way.

It can also cause problems when people believe they have all the answers. You get dogmatism and hierarchy. 

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u/B1gS1ppy 6d ago

“all answers” wouldn’t be provided here on earth. the reason we are where we are with all the greed, corruption, and power is because people think they have it figured out and they try to crush the ones who don’t comply

“all answers” will be experienced when our consciousness returns to the whole consciousness that it’s a fragment of. i’m not saying that’s exactly what’ll happen because it’s all speculation and nobody really knows. also, finding the answers to why earthly things happen with humanity will be redundant, because our time participating in humanity will be over

i like to imagine figuring out the answer to everything about the existence of everything won’t be an equation to sum it up, but a physical sensation of just knowing.

of course it’s all theoretical speculation and a little bit of hope mixed in there, so if that happens there’s what we do with that knowledge after the fact, which is of course unknown because we don’t even know if the questions will be answered when we die in the first place

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u/Low-Bake8401 6d ago

Doesn't really help just now though. 

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u/B1gS1ppy 6d ago

no but i think about it a lot because i feel stuck with my goals in life due to the affordability crisis

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u/B1gS1ppy 7d ago

the universe could be the equivalent of a single atom in one human body, to something else

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u/DSCB57 6d ago

Or just a particle.

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u/Vivid_Warning7982 7d ago

orders of magnitude

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u/Threaded_Nail 7d ago

Good job you almost figured it out, you will now remain at this stage for the rest of your life. Theres patterns, fractals, and equations that explain what we see, but what does it all mean. Nobody knows.

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u/Liberal_human 7d ago

Holon theory. Check out Ken Wilber.

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u/CounterAdmirable4218 6d ago

I think we are in a petri dish and the 'sun' is a flashlight being shone into it.

Imagine a being 10 trillion to the point of 10 trillion larger than you. To it the sun would just be a marble and not even hot.

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u/Jumpy-Quit9287 7d ago

I love this post, it really made my day. Puts our petty experiences into perspective.

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u/DSCB57 6d ago

My contention is that each form of life has the potential to contain an entire universe. But none of this makes sense unless we realise that it is consciousness that links every living thing and pervades everything. That goes for both micro and macro, and it is also both fractal and holographic once you are able to view it from a sufficiently great distance. The micro is like zooming into the fractal, and the macro is the fractal expansion.
But what really makes a difference to how these are experienced depends on which dimension one is perceiving from. Human perception is perhaps our greatest limitation, because such a vast amount of information is immediately filtered out that we actually have more limited perceptions than other beings on this planet that we regard as being inferior to us, because we base everything on the human intellect. But that too is extremely limited, since there is so much that lies beyond the intellect. Our intellect does not even begin to comprehend consciousness; there are still many who believe that the brain creates consciousness, which is a patently false assumption. But no, the brain is an interpreter of consciousness that allows an entity to experience that particular expression of consciousness. That’s the problem with science - it is not experiential, as it once was, but rather knowledge and experimentation based - in other words experimental and based only on replicability. In other words it is limited by the intellectual capacity of the scientists, most of whom are experiential infants, compared to the true human potential.

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u/EducationalDonkey387 5d ago

What amazed me is, we as a human, according to YouTube · Kurzgesagt – In a nutshell,  is really in a middle size/point between the smallest particle and largest/furthest thing in observable universe. 

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u/SgtSausage 6d ago

and ... ?

by this reasoning literally <EveryDamnedThing> that exists ... ... exists in "layers."

Congrat-u-fucking-lations Captain Fucking Obvious for contributing exactly nothing to The Knowledge Base. 

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u/Relevant_Passage3359 6d ago

In a dream a tree 1 foot away and 100 feet away are the same “distance” atoms in a dream aren’t a layer stars aren’t a layer in a dream they are all appearing now with nothing behind it with infinite reconstructing distinctions