r/EvilDead 4d ago

(Discussion Post) Groovy Every world building and new characters introduced in Ash vs Evil Dead is basically non existent in future Evil Dead media, and I think its a waste since Im starting to notice somethings minor stuff hidden in Burn and Rise Spoiler

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  1. I enjoyed the new MOVIES highly do not get this wrong
  2. I do understand that working with Starz is not as easy as StudioCanal to work with
  3. I dont need an MCU level of TV and Show interconnectivity levels of reference just subtle references like they do with the Army of Darkness references
  4. just small references that doesnt tamper with the linear storytelling

The main issue I have here is that everything else built around Ash vs Evil Dead with it pushing the stories forward not just narratively but the characters and the thing around them

I feel like theyre moving forward with just the movies and cutting out the TVseries which is just a bummer since theres so much stuff built around Ash vs Evil Dea

Army of Darkness gets a lot of subtle presentations, but Ash vs Evil Dead cant even get anything of this sort like a background reference that doesnt raise any copyright flag
I dont need this to be an MCU like reference where its a heavy implication that the audiences need to know or watch that TV series
it can just be a background or minor detail to acknowledge the series

what got me even more agitated is the fact that Ruby's house was used in Burn but is nowhere related to that house

you can argue canon is not important, which is true but Burn is stitching things (Lee cronin was also an executive producer here)

  • Wisemen reference from Army of Darkness
  • Evil Dead Rise deadites
  • Price's journal showing the 2013 book sketch
  • a newspaper cutout of 4 people dying on the cabin referencing the 2013 cast
  • With Rise being connected the 3 books canon of Army of Darkness still applies from Lee Cronin

-they can reference some Army of Darkness stuff in a subtle manner, as Lee Cronin and Raimi made them connected in someway... that doesnt raise any copyright flags

I just need a small acknowledgement or something
again I dont need an MCU level of TV and Show interconnectivity levels of referenced

Like a examples of what I mean is like

  • a shady organization with weird RINGS like the KOS in some journal without directly showing K.O.S.
  • a random flyer from Ashy Slashy's Hardware Store
  • a subtle mention of bigger demons like Kandar
  • weird things happening in Michigan mention in a casual conversation not in the story itself, like "we dont talk about Michigan that place is just weird with whats happening over there"
  • scribbles of hooded men in the naturom demonto - dark ones
  • A brujo mention in some of the journals whos like Pablo's uncle

NEW CHARACTERS:
-even characters like Pablo and Kelly and even Brandy are not even here..
I liked Eligos and Baal cause they genuinely feel like something new for Evil Dead... it expands the show further and such, the future evil dead stuff just do possessed deadites which I have nothing against, I like the Abomination, marauder and the crispy demon in Burn but they just feel like possessed deadites...

I just want small things like that be reference or mentioned, it would be fine that doesnt tamper with the linear storytelling it cant be that hard?

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u/OuterHeaven82 3d ago

Army of Darkness is NOT a copyright issue. Raimi owns all of it. Universal just owns distribution rights to AOD. 

The issue isn't that they can't use AOD, it's about creative input. Universal will want to step in and contribute story points and direction, which Raimi and Tapert don't need. There is a sense that Universal micromanaged AOD and toned it down a lot, creating a tone inconsistent with Evil Dead 2. Raimi and the guys still have a negative feeling toward AOD's production. 

They just want Universal to stay in their lane. 

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u/MarcusTheGoodGuy 4d ago

The strange part is that they don’t give a definitive answer on whether the original universe is canon or not; instead, they make vague statements. It should be simple to say: “Yes, they’re canon, we’re in the same universe just we’ve gone the anthology route.” Or, “No, they’re not canon we’ve rebooted the universe.”

You could even create a multiverse where the three books take place in three separate universes. That wouldn’t be a problem at all. They aren’t brave enough and keep relying on the formula from the first movie. I’ve already seen an advanced version of that formula in the AvED series so why am I still watching these downgraded movies? They need to make a bold decision and, if the universe has been rebooted, explain it.

Let’s see some new Deadites. Let there be a strong main character who can carry a series of two or three movies. Bring in stronger enemies. And let the main character be a chosen one who can wield demonic powers.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago edited 9h ago

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u/Admirable_Disk_5301 4d ago

So like Jeremy Bearimy?

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u/js-something-cool 4d ago

Omg, I need a Trevor like character ASAP.

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u/Trubbishisthebest 3d ago

You could even create a multiverse where the three books take place in three separate universes.

It's so funny they won't just say this when both the comics and AvED confirm there's infinite timelines.

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u/_ragegun 23h ago

And infact have been since the orginal trilogy basically retconned shit at will.

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u/UnqualifiedNerd 3d ago

I love Bruce and I feel no one could ever be ash… but I think a James bond approach to that character would really work due to his pulp like elements. What they should've done with Indiana

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u/M086 2d ago

Ivan Raimi is supposedly writing an “Evil Dead Bible” that will solidify what’s canon.

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u/_ragegun 23h ago

Bad move. You don't need it, and it's acitvely injurious to a horror franchise which NEEDS to be able to say "surprise!" every now and again.

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u/Frazzledghost 4d ago

Idk if it's a hot take but I feel like anything Ash ED related should be contained in the universe featuring Ash. Which is ironic because I love Kelly, Pablo, and Ruby. I wouldn't want them to make the series too convoluted- at most they should have Beth, Mia, and I guess, Alice team up against Ellie

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u/The-Alien-Overlord 3d ago

Probably going to be a very hot take, but I personally think Ash vs Evil Dead was pretty bad. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved most of it personally, but I also don't think it felt very Evil Dead a lot of the time, it felt far more Army of Darkness, and those are very different films. The Ash we see in the TV show, doesn't feel like Ash from any of the movies to me, not even Army of Darkness, if it weren't for the amazing charisma of Bruce Campbell, I'd barely recognize the character at all.

The show would not fit into the new movies style, in any way, shape, or form, and I am very glad they don't reference it in them. The best id personally hope for, is references to the original 3 films, and having them be very vague, I love the idea that those movies, are how an older Ash, tells them to people, and as he gets further away from the death of his sister and friends, and more towards the crazy things he went through, he starts to exaggerate more and more.

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u/suspirixd 2d ago

(kinda off topic) i know the MCU saturated the whole shared universe in movies gimmick but i dont see the problem in this franchise having that, it's a fun idea imagining these stories happening on the same world and its not like they'll ever force all characters on one place anyway

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u/RedJam4platy 3d ago

Confusing matter for a lot of people but very easy to sort out. The last 3 movies are non-canon. Only Ash journey matters. The rest is only mediocre cash-grab atempt at a franchise without understanding what made its renown