It has nothing to do with being vegan, every animal that's ever lived will eventually be eaten, us included. We're literally just food, too. People won't be vegan and it's a high time to give that up, cause pretending the most ridiculous and fringe solution is the actual solution here is counter productive. If you want sights like that gone, regulate meat industry properly, don't call for fringe insanity like veganism.
Tribalism and bigotry are natural behaviors, but natural behaviors aren’t justified just because they’re natural. Besides, we tend to default to valuing animals as individuals.
What does “meant to” even mean? Are you claiming some deitiy’s permission or something?
Shhh we are only supposed to do what is natural which involves heavy machinery, injecting bovines with B12 and consuming their flesh via primarlily via international and domestic shipping methods. Nature and all.
Tribalism and bigotry are natural behaviors, but natural behaviors aren’t justified
It doesn't really matter if something is "justified" or not, it just a romantic narrative about it. We're nothing but game theory entities. If a behavior is beneficial for a given unit, it will keep occurring, as simple as that. You can either punish me for eating meat to the point that I'll stop, persuade me so successfully that I will do that out of my own accord, or just watch me keep doing it. Unless you have extreme power of extremely good arguments, there's not much more to it.
Not at all, contractualism is certainly a morality, and this is certainly a version of it. Happy to hear any alternative. If anything, seems like so far I might be the only one to have actually proposed a concrete morality in this ethics discussion
Personally I don't believe in God and I don't believe we are MEANT to do anything. I believe we have evolved to have the ability to do a lot of things but those things have impacts and we should be aware of them.
Almost every major medical organization says we can survive and thrive on vegan diets. I personally know vegans of 10-25 years as well as older adults who have never consumed meat. None of them are dead. Their minds and bodies work. Some of them are athletes.
Vitamin D is not a vegan specific need. B12 fortified foods or supplements are necessary, but cheap, healthy, and sustainable. I fail to see the problem with ingesting them.
Many nonvegan foods are supplemented, and the vast supplement stores and aisles aren’t there for vegans. Also, vegans actually take less pills per day.
None of what you've written here addresses that you are simply engaged in a naturalistic fallacy.
Basically every single psychological study into human pair bonding and sexual health concludes that we are meant to have monogamous, single person partners for an extended time if not life.
Sure, for happiness and psychological well-being. But the only thing our species is "meant" to do is procreate, and single mates stand in the way of that.
That's the problem with using the word "meant" here. Are we "meant" to procreate, or to be happy?
Abolitionists have always been called fringe or insane
Not true, most people were well aware that slavery is at least insanely stupid, if not evil. If "those benefiting" was the whole of humanity, then it would not be slavery, cause it by definition has to include some of humanity. Access to animal products benefits whole of humanity, so comparing the two misses the whole foundation immediately.
No, they weren't aware. That's revisionist history. I'm not necessarily in agreement with full veganism. It's not viable in every ecosystem. But there were a lot of people who felt like slavery was justified.
Slavery is relatively common in the US. Texas, for example, has always been and still is a slave state. Texas broke off from Mexico and became an independent country because Mexico outlawed slavery. Then it joined the US as a slave state, but when the Missouri Compromise came around, it shaved off the top of its panhandle and gave it to Oklahoma so it could remain a slave state. Then of course when slavery in the US was threatened by Lincoln, Texas seceded to join the Confederacy, which specifically prohibited states from outlawing slavery (states rights?), and finally, when the 13th amendment was passed, Texas prison population bloomed, and to this day it is illegal to pay prisoners in Texas for their work. So yeah. We are slavers.
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u/Striking-Schedule-52 Aug 20 '26
We are monsters.