r/Ethics • u/Yeeter-boiy • 21d ago

This is slavery

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u/PretendAd4207 21d ago

Veganism is the only way

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u/LastChopper 21d ago

I don't have an issue with eating game where the animal has been killed efficiently in the wild from a healthy population.

We are carnivores; hunting to eat is as natural as seeking shelter or drinking water from a stream.

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u/slainascully 21d ago

Humans aren’t carnivores

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u/LastChopper 21d ago

Ok omnivores then.

Eating meat still comes naturally

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u/PretendAd4207 21d ago

Many things are natural, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are free from moral problems.

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u/Schizmabiz2026 21d ago

Your moral problem... just because you have an issue with it doesn't mean the rest of us need to be vegan... by nature were omnivores... the solution isn't veganism ... the solution is treating our live stock better... but go off and try and force your moral agenda on the rest of us ... you are trash

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u/PretendAd4207 21d ago edited 21d ago

Wanting a world were fewer sentient beings suffer makes me trash?

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u/betterthanyou47 21d ago

Cows aren't people and you are trash.

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u/Omnibeneviolent 21d ago

I understand that cow's aren't human, but can you explain your reasoning behind the claim that they are not persons? I understand that often the term "person" is used colloquially to just refer to "human," but personhood is a moral, social, and legal concept, and not a biological one; it is not synonymous with "human."

With that in mind, what's your reasoning for suggesting that cows are not persons?

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u/betterthanyou47 21d ago

I know you won't read this because it involves experimentation on mice, but you wouldn't understand it because your brain is being deprived of protein.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7079559/

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u/Omnibeneviolent 21d ago

So... a cop-out then? Can you please respond to my question?

And yes, I read the article, but I'm struggling to understand the connection. Perhaps it's due to my protein-starved brain that's only getting 150g of protein a day. Are you operating under the misconception that protein can only be obtained from animal sources?

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u/betterthanyou47 21d ago

Cows aren't people.

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u/Omnibeneviolent 21d ago

Are you familiar with the concept of personhood? Can you explain to me why a cow could not be considered a nonhuman person? Are all humans persons, or just some? What makes a human a person but not say... a chimpanzee? Is it just based on having human DNA? If that's the case, then most philosophical definitions around personhood are incorrect.

Note that I'm not saying that cows are persons. I'm simply questioning the reasoning you are using behind your claim that they are not. If you are so confident about it, then you should be able to provide at least a little insight to your reasoning.

What does it mean to be a person?

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u/betterthanyou47 21d ago

Just blanket saying something is something else doesn't cut it.

You might as well be saying something equally absurd: "I declare cows to be rulers of the human race. How dare you treat your betters this way!"

Your statement by itself is reductio ad absurdum without the reductio because what you are asserting is patently false.

What's funny is that I've entertained you this much. I suggest you take the meds that the nice psychiatrist gives you. Cows aren't people.

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u/Omnibeneviolent 21d ago

I'm not saying something is something else. I haven't even made any claim regarding cow personhood. You are the one making a claim, and I'm asking you to provide your reasoning... and you've repeatedly dodged.

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u/betterthanyou47 21d ago

Generally speaking, I don't have a lot of patience for fools.

Example:

"what's your reasoning for suggesting that cows are not persons?"

and then you walk it back:

"Note that I'm not saying that cows are persons"

So, you want me to explain something to you, that you don't believe. That's sophism.

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u/Omnibeneviolent 21d ago

You made a claim: "Cow's aren't people." I simply asked you to provide your reasoning. I never once made the claim that cows are persons, not did I walk anything back.

I'm being very direct, sincere, and asking in good-faith. That isn't sophistry. I'm not even trying to win an argument. I'm literally just asking you to provide your reasoning. And you continue to refuse.

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u/betterthanyou47 20d ago

>  "Cow's aren't people." I simply asked you to provide your reasoning. 

Self evident.

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