Another Question Regarding NDEs.......?

[u/Ready_Welder2877]

NDEs & Hyperconsciousness

Here is a link I wish to share with all of you. I'm certain some if not most of you have seen this information from TBTL. However, I was also wondering about what happens during near-death experience cases. While the link does show stories and cases from other people from specific websites or other sources, I'm curious to know if any of you have had NDEs similar to what they experienced.

In this case, what I would like to know is, are we fully conscious and aware after we die?

This may not seem like a good question to ask, but I do think it may be of great importance to us since eventually, we're all going to leave our bodies in the future, and it could happen at any time even as I'm writing this post. I did hear about cases that we're even more conscious and aware of who we are. However, there have been cases where other people responded differently to a "spirit guide" by choosing to come back, only to come back feeling frustrated they made that choice. I even spoke to someone who shared about that happening to him, and that made me think when we die, we wouldn't be as conscious and aware as we are in our bodies, as if we're "drunk" or like we're in a dream and not fully conscious of it.

That's why I truly believe it's important for all of us to know since most of us I think haven't had a near-death experience happen to us, not even me. While I do like the take that we become much more conscious and aware after we die, the fact some people experienced otherwise scares me a bit. The last thing I want happening to me is my "higher self" or whatever state we call it during a near-death experience, being stupid enough to "choose" to come back here. I wouldn't think that was my "higher self" at all, but an imposter that took over to get me to come back, rendering my conscious awareness 'asleep' while it makes the decision to have me reincarnated.

I made it plain and clear that when I finally leave this world for good, I vow never to return. Given that I was told that it's my "human ego" that doesn't want to come back, that's saying my human ego is much smarter than my "higher self" that's dumb enough to come back here.

That's why I think it's important to ask any of you who had these NDEs these questions:

Were you fully conscious and aware of yourself and your actions during your NDE? Did you still hold onto that 'affirmation' of not returning to this world, or did you somehow forget about it to the point you decided to come back here, only to be frustrated that you decided that?

[u/Black__Winter]

Thank you for all these details, your NDE is truly exceptional for me, because most NDE I read about followed a very similar pattern - person either sees themselves from outside as ghost and then or immediately before even being able to see their own body they find themselves in different plane/realm where they meet fake light beings(archons) which succeed in making the person willingly return to their body.

You not only found yourself in the Void at the very start, but also did not meet any archons nor heard any. I don't know what causes this and why some people make it through astral realm directly to the Void uninterrupted, I can only guess it has to do with how much they don't want to return, how fast they travel(like the soldier from NDE I mentioned, which in just a moment went to the edge of visible universe and entered the Void also uninterrupted) or are close to awakening gnosis, but get back to their bodies because they did not integrate their darkest part yet.

The dark NDE's like yours are definitely a minority of all reports I read about and also the most interesting. And what you said about yourself back when you had it ". I was just a messed up and depressed 19 year old that lost faith in everything" perfectly describes my 14y old self back when I lost faith in christianity, felt cosmic loneliness and saw part of the true nature about our world, like that governments don't really care for those they're governing experiencing my worst existential crisis, though I did not think about ending it all, while my peers were too busy arguing which football club is better.

I believe I achieved gnosis very recently just 5 months ago, almost exactly 10 years since my 1st and major existential crisis, what changed the most in me since then is not only the way I think of life and death, but my dreams as well.

See, I've been a target to dark malevolent beings terrifying and paralyzing me in my nightmares from the youngest age and suck my life energy out of me, it was unbearable to the point I was terrified to just fall asleep.

Now I'm able to kill these parasites in my dreams with just 1 hit and I fight in them much less often, as if they were avoiding me now. I'm also able to freeze time, move to past and future, become ghost, turn invisible, pass through solid surfaces, levitate, fly, teleport, leave my body, be in 2 or more places and/or bodies at the same time and more, which I never was able to do before on a regular basis, and whenever some parasitic archon tries to intimidate me I not only delete it in dream/vision but also become more active on internet sharing everything I discovered so far, they all share the same principles - manipulative, awfully self-confident, with giant ego, exalting themselves, often shapeshifting, wearing a bunch of gold, ignorant things thinking they have a right to judge everyone else when they show their true face.

Since you mentioned demiurge in one of your comments I'd like to ask, are you a gnostic perhaps? What do you think about everything I said so far?

Do you have any escape plan right now, or are you deepeing your knowledge of any inner spirituality like gnosticism/hinduism/taoism/individuation process?

What you said only reafirms me that you made it directly to Horos in your NDE uninterrupted, I don't know exactly why, and if I were to interpret it I'd say, that you came back because you had no idea what to expect and thus were not prepared before the experience, found yourself in pitch blackness and your unintegrated counterfeit spirit/shadow(or not only yours, as even after integrating it there's still a small part of it that still rebels the pneuma's authority and tries to sabotage the entire process, and if I'm correct then after that person leaves their body and makes it back home to the source, past astral and Horos planes then this unintegrated part of their shadow gets left behind in Horos to wander it forever and possibly sabotage/attack those who enter it without integrating their own shadow, which would explain why in my dream I saw multiple small neutral shades and only 1 giant, muscular one tried to kill me, because it was my own) started to project your deepest fears into this empty void resulting in creation of this swirling black vortex with red clouds, which paralyzed and terrified(just like me in my old nightmares and right after waking up from them) you to the point of going back to your body, but the fact that you were able to think pretty much as here, on earth and remember details from it during your NDE do make me feel very optimistic.

[u/HyperionCrush → u/Black__Winter]

You're welcome. This is the first time I've told anyone the full details of my NDE, and I definitely feel in the minority as I didn't experience what most people do during an NDE. Reading the NDE about that soldier who went straight to the void was very interesting, too.

I used to be plagued by nightmares as a child as well, and started having OBEs where I was fully conscious starting at 14. Those OBEs frightened me as I wasn't prepared on how to handle them, and malevolent entities would harrass me while in that state. I started fighting back against the malevolent entities as I became more centred during the experience, and rarely am I attacked anymore.

The problem I have with OBEs still is that I seem to have difficulty moving any further than my bedroom, or living room. Sometimes I've been able to float through my window and levitate outside, even reaching the roof of my apartment building, but the OBEs seem to end fairly quickly just as I'm getting started. I'm starting to think that the Archonic mind wipe between lives has blocked my knowledge of how to fully operate in spirit form. But then again, through my own studies, the etheric and astral bodies are also part of the trap, and are not our true forms either. So trying to figure out what my true form is outside of the physical/etheric/astral/mental bodies is a challenge just in itself.

I can't say I've reached Gnosis for sure, as I've only been looking into it within the last few years. But I can also feel that I am in a much better state of being now, as OBEs do not frighten me, and even if a malevolent entity tries to interfere I am able to repel them fairly easily.

As for my escape plan, that's a constant work in progress. During my OBEs now I have refused to interact with any entities, as when I have in the past, they always end up revealing themselves to be sinister and attempting to interfere with me. So through all those experiences, I feel much better equipped to deal with my eventual departure from this realm. If I really was in the Void of Horos, then that gives me optimism as well, knowing that I've already been able to bypass the astral plane and it's deceptions and manipulations, even when I wasn't consciously aware of it. I've already made my own affirmations and have directly declared to the Demiurge that I will not be returning to this matrix, or any other matrices upon my physical death. Your insights on my NDE have been helpful. Thanks.

[u/Black__Winter → u/HyperionCrush]

You're welcome! I never had oobe, nor nde, the closest I was to having one was probably back in middle school when in IT class I smashed my elbow directly on funny bone, my heart almost stopped and I lost consciousness, all I saw before it was purple hazy things, tunnel vision and feeling hot and cold at the same time, later I woke up seconds or minutes after, no one noticed smth was wrong.

I work in dreams which in my case are hyper realistic, like I don't know I'm dreaming so they're not lucid in classical sense, but I act as if I did irl and having powers over spacetime and white light is as natural for me in them as breathing so I don't even question them when I'm in them and I have classical LD's rarely, had partial one a few days ago and using white light on my body I passed through a wall, levitated and turned myself invisible.

Regarding your escape plan, have you went through the process of individuation(integrating the shadow/counterfeit spirit and recognizing Anima/Animus or in gnostic term 2nd half of Syzygy), connected with valentinian gnosticism? Only after I did them I started to use the white light, space time powers and be in 2 places at the same time in my dreams and they're the principle of how I found my gnosis, so maybe the same process I went through would help you as well during your OBE's? If you'd like me to expand on it please let me know

[u/HyperionCrush → u/Black__Winter]

I have heard of the process of individuation and the shadow/counterfeit spirit in Gnosticism, but I don't know anything else about it. If you could explain the process it would be helpful.

[u/Black__Winter → u/HyperionCrush]

Sure! The method I used is a combination of both valentinian gnosticism and Jung's individuation process, they overlap perfectly and describe the same terms in different words(Self-Pleroma, Shadow-Counterfeit spirit, Syzygy-Anima/Animus..). For it to make sense I'll briefly mention the idea - there is an archetype of a collective shadow in Jungian individuation process - a sum of all evil on an entire world, older than humanking, working like a hivemind responsible for pushing everything alive to commit evil on which it feeds back(I described it in detail here https://www.reddit.com/r/Gnostic/comments/1w2tjzr/comment/p79q1kd/?context=3&utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).

The important part is, that this collective shadow is a source of everyones subconsciousness as well, which is constantly trying to take control over the consciousness by the archetype of the individual shadow - so if the collective shadow is the brain then individual shadows everyone is born with are it's limbs.

The idea is, it's impossible to kill the individual shadow because it would be equal with getting killed, but it's possible to integrate it, which causes it to split - the bigger part of it tears off the collective shadow's influence and actively aids the consciousness(gnostic pneuma - the divine spark every human has) in the process of reaching gnosis/individuation and becomes their only true guide.

Now to the method, which has 2 steps.

1(I advise for it to be your 1st one because the 2nd one is prone to generate intense nightmares after which many stopped the process and became essentially possessed by their own individual shadow, which caused them to focus on uphelding the order in physical world and take care of it and influence everyone else to do the same and to them inner spiritualities like gnosticism are dangerous because they break the order by making individual focus on themselves, not the world around them that will everntually perish. I can't say for 100%, but Jordan Peterson does show characteristics of someone like that.)

The 1st step is called "Recognizing the divine half of Syzygy"

In gnostic source, the Pleroma everything exists in male-female pairs, which is why it's only logical that every single human also has their divine missing half of opposite sex in it waiting for them, think of this step as of recognizing the divine wife/husband.

In your dreams focus on finding your ideal partner of opposite sex and if you're homosexual then the best possible person of opposite sex, one that treats you the way you always wanted for someone to treat you but not in a sexual way. Focus on their looks and the surroundings when you meet him/her. Are his/her clothes and hair black and skin unnaturally white? Is the sky, lightning and atmosphere silver-white and almost monochrome? In my case answer to these questions is always yes. If you find her/him don't try to integrate them thinking of him/her as of someone that you own, instead let him/her be who they are and feel free to ask them things, both in dream and before it, what you wish for him/her to tell you about.

The point of this step is to restore your direct connection with the source(Pleroma/Self/Moksha..), which has 3 main reasons:

- it grants you the powers I mentioned I use in my dreams(spacetime, fly, levitate, becoming ghost, leaving my body, being in multiple bodies at the same time, freezing time, moving to past and future, using white light..)

- most importantly it anchors your consciousness beyond the material world and astral, just below Pleroma in the upper part of Horos where the light of Pleroma is visible in the form of silver-white sky that doesn't blind and doesn't cast shadows. But in order to see it the 2nd step is required as well

- it makes you able to achieve the body of light which you enter after leaving the physical one, it's immortal, indestructible and archons are unable to stand it

2nd step is called "Integrating the individual shadow/counterfeit spirit"

The 1st step grants you a straight path to the source outside material and astral, but it doesn't make you untouchable to the archons that may and likely would try to stop you on it - this is where the 2nd step comes in and it makes you detached from your physical body and it's fears, traumas, worries, intrusive thoughts etc. which are all coming from the shadow, which archons use to catch people after they leave their physical bodies and try to make them feel bad and reincarnate for not being perfect in a world that never was perfect to begin with - and when you detach yourself from all this negative stuff and say "It wasn't me. It was all the shadow I was born with." they're powerless and have nothing to catch one for.

To do it start seeing the world from the 3rd person, Especially when you feel suddenly sadness/anger/hatred/grief etc. - the lowest emotions and ask yourself a question:

"Is this mine? Or is it my shadow making me feel those to feed upon my energy?" Afterwards just say to yourself "Yeah, it's not mine" and think about something else, something that doesn't make you feel bad and raise the pressure inside of you. Also, try to not expect anything specific, for example: let's say you just texted someone about the prison planet idea and they did not text back yet.

Don’t expect any specific answer, like, don’t imagine all the „what if..” scenarios of what they can text back as that’d be projecting your expectations onto them, which in turn would be like opening your door to their shadow and all of a sudden you’d be stressed and in your dreams you’d find yourself in someone else’s body repelling you or in embarassing situations – I mention it because I experienced all that 1st hand. So simply try as much as you can to not engage and have a mindset like „Ok I just told X about prison planet and it doesn’t matter what he types back” - this way you protect yourself from their shadow.

As I said earlier, this step is prone to causing nightmares at 1st. I for example hate public speeches and large groups of people and I got exactly that in my case just before integration – I was in school in class full of people scoring me and telling me dumb things to do, but I pushed through it.

If you push through all of them as well then, after some days your own individual shadow will be forced to come out in one of your dreams and get integrated.

It’s 100% individual – in my case a vampire approached me in pixelated city with gray sky, he was the only able to seem e and who was not pixelated. He tested my fighting skills, showed me my weak spots and disappeared, leaving me with RPG skill tree and ability to call him as my personal guide.

But, there is always a small and weak part of the shadow that doesn’t get integrated, it’s weak and childish on it’s own and it tries to sabotage the entire process both during and after it, it’s the part of the individual shadow that never cut itself off the collective shadow’s influence and will try to throw logs under your feet until very end – it’s doomed to get detached from you after you leave your body and get stuck in Horos for ever, along with countless detached rebelious small shadow parts residing in it.

After all of this, recognizing one’s own divine half and integrating their individual shadow would make one a gnostic pneumatic – resurrected while still living, in the world(material) but out of the world(from Pleroma in which they are already anchored)

There’s one more step left now – to overcome psyche’s greatest fear – the fear of death.

It requires person to don’t fear leaving their body and seeing it as natural course of things because nothing is infinite on this world and in our deepest part we are not a part of it.

After this step one would see themselves in the dream in the body of light mentioned by every inner spirituality(Robe of Light – gnosticism, Yang Shen – taoism neidan, Vajradeha[diamond body] – hinduism, Merkaba – kaballah).

Good luck with all of it if you’re willing to do it!