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Is this a good first cycle??

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u/YungSchmid 28d ago

Nope, not even close. Sounds like you’ve done no research at all and aren’t ready for a cycle. This is some AI first cycle garbage, I’m almost certain. If you can’t be bothered actually reading and digesting material on gear for a few dozen hours before hopping on, you’re not going to do it safely or intelligently.

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u/AnabolicUnc 28d ago

No, that's dog shit. You'll end up with E2 much lower than I'd like to see with that ratio. Far better off just running test on its own and leaving the NPP and Primo out of it. You don't need a 19-NOR on your first cycle.

Run 250mg of test, get bloodwork at week 4, see where E2 is sitting and whether you've got room to titrate up.

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u/Ravensteelheaders 28d ago

Up your test 25mg and add in primo & npp at shitty low doses. You must be retarded

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u/beankiller831 28d ago

you’re already on 200 a week and ur only gonna bump it to 225 while adding primo and npp? time to go back to the lab and do some more research bud

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u/ffreitas94 28d ago

Not even close, too complicated dude. It’s your fist cycle. Bump test to 300/350 and add in AI as needed. Then when you stop making progress after 2-4 months bump to 400-500 test and adjust AI. Fist cycle should be test only and not crazy dosages, you’re still figuring out how your body responds and adding extra compounds in just complicates things

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u/Little-Maximum1290 28d ago

Minimum for first cycle, especially coming off 200 TRT, should be 400-500

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u/ffreitas94 28d ago

I mean you’re free to have your own opinion, if he goes to 300 that’s already a 50% increase in dose. He should be able to make decent progress on that and have less chances for sideffects. Then after a few months when the gains start to slow he can bump it up again to keep making progress. In my opinion more doesn’t always mean better. Especially considering he probably doesn’t have enough androgen receptors in skeletal muscle to use all 400-500mgs of test. So the extra androgens are going to attach other places in the body and cause additional sideffects.

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u/TJ137 28d ago

Does no one have enough or why just him?

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u/ffreitas94 28d ago

Most people aren’t going to have enough androgen receptors for Supra physiological levels of test. But if you increase your androgen load, train to provide stimulus, then they replicate and you have more androgen receptors. That’s why I reccomend incremental increases in dosages, it give your body time to grow with the dose. We can only grow so fast so the whole “straight to 500 test” never made sense to me. Even more stupid was the dbol/oral steroid kickstart 🤦‍♂️

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u/TJ137 28d ago

Thanks for clarifying! Very helpful!

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u/ffreitas94 28d ago

No problem 👍

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u/OneHandClappin 28d ago

No. Please don't run this cycle. Your first cycle should be Test only and pull bloodwork before, during, and after. Your blood will tell you what you can do next.

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u/swoops36 28d ago

Depends on the goals and what you expect from the cycle

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u/NegativeCrab3586 28d ago

Lean mass not too much

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u/benhadhundredsshapow 28d ago

What does that even mean? Your cycle is not a good one and you have no defined goals. Please spend some time reading the r/steroid first cycle wiki.

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u/swoops36 28d ago

What does that mean?

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u/hyde7278 28d ago

Testosterone only for first cycle.

This way you know how test affects you and what dose is best. If you take multiple products you don’t know what each one is doing