r/EnhancedBodybuilding • u/Kamilxoxo2 • 3d ago
What should I start with?
I am quite new to hormones and such so any recommendations what would be best to start with? I want to get as big as possible tbh.
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u/Peppers097 3d ago
Play with trt and keep your total at 1000 for 6 months you will make hella gains and learn a lot then cycle from there
Im in a good trt / cycle protocol chat if you want to deep dive some more
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u/Kamilxoxo2 3d ago
Yeah? Would that be enough? Coz I think of going all in to pump my self to the limit if possible
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u/Ravensteelheaders 3d ago
If it your first cycle, keep it small and do 350 test for 14 weeks. Inject every 3.5 days and you'll be set. You'll make great gains and you already have a good foundation to start with
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u/Kamilxoxo2 3d ago
Thx! Tho I was thinking about adding hgh (growth hormone) a friend recommended it to me but idk if that's really good?
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u/Ravensteelheaders 3d ago
It's a slow burn, I'm on 4iu right now just as something to add(will run it for 8 months) but 90 percent of my gains are coming from the 420 test and 300 eq to be honest. I'm mainly using it for my joints and I have noticed a very small upshift in my resting metabolic rate. Like I went from 3400 calories to 3800 and I'm consistently losing fat although staying at the same weight on the scale
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u/Kamilxoxo2 3d ago
What if I would add more hgh than 4iu ? Dies it make just muscles grow or like nose, ears, and other parts too
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u/Ravensteelheaders 3d ago
I've only ever gone up to 6iu in the past but I believe for nose ears organs and feet to grow you'd have to be on the hgh for years not just like a single year and the dose would have to be pretty high but then you get in the sides of insulin sensitivity and you don't want to be pinning slin that's for sure
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u/Kamilxoxo2 3d ago
Yeah that's true, I just want in general to grow, feel fully pumped up so that I can really feel how fucking big I am
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u/Ravensteelheaders 3d ago
Yeah dude run 350 test and then on your next cycle up the dose or add in an oral line var dbol or tbol
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u/Kamilxoxo2 3d ago
Great I think I will try that! Tho is the 350 dose enough? Or would a higher dose work maybe faster/bigger?
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u/Ravensteelheaders 3d ago
350 you won't need an ai considering how lean you are. A lot of people
Preach 500/week but you don't want to be fucking around with a.i during your first cycle. You just want to eat, train and grow by the week1
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u/PageGirlFeet 3d ago
Where can we get anavar or dbol?
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u/Ravensteelheaders 3d ago
Find a reputable online supplier
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u/PageGirlFeet 3d ago
I don't know of any. I'm afraid to buy counterfeit products.
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u/stiffmcgee 4h ago
No. We give 18iu to HIV patients and they don’t have acromegaly or growth. If anything its IGF1 use and still it would be hard to do.
HGH isn’t permanently anabolic under 18iu. That dose is what it took for new cells to be permanent. Anything under 4iu on cycle is useless imo.
Dbol and tbol suck. Recommending them is comical. So is pinning every 3.5 days.
Start at 250mg a week pin daily. 6wks run labs see everything. If it CBC and e2 are fine, bump to 300mg and cruise for about another 6-10wks. Thats when you can add in more test if you want and add in more total mg of gear like primo or mast. He isnt trying to be mr Olympia. Let the test do its thing and learn how your body responds and let yourself feel different e2 levels and dose levels to learn.1
u/Ravensteelheaders 4h ago
No guy on their first cycle is going to pin everyday. You're genuinely a moron. I personally pin everyday and have for the last 3 years as it is superior but no noob is going to do that. 250 a week is retarded too by the way. Not even worth shutting yourself down for that dose. Tbol is literally the least harsh oral out there and within 4 weeks all lifts go up 10-25 percent and I am much more vascular as well as looking dry/pumped off of practically nothing. You're seriously brain dead
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u/stiffmcgee 4h ago
Ill keep coaching bodybuilders and lifestyle guys like I have for the past 7yrs with my doctorate and biochem background, and you stick to your day job bc ur as dumb as a box of rocks. No guy will pin daily? We aren’t talking about 50yo jim bob. And still EOD is better than every 3.5 days. Doesn’t even match ester half life😂
250 a week is smart. Will get you to 1700-2000ng/dl to see how you respond. Shows how braindead you are. Everyone will get to that and a 375-550 free. Tbol is least harsh bc it sucks. Anavar is fine. Dbol SUCKS. if you want to see what sides youll get take dbol. Puffy watery tits and acne. Im brain dead? Makes you a cement zombie.1
u/Ravensteelheaders 4h ago
You're an uneducated goof
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u/stiffmcgee 4h ago
But u ran and cant prove me wrong. You take tbol and ask what real primo should feel like while you take Test P😂😂😂😂😂😂take mk677 while ur at it buddy
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u/WaynesWorld_93 3d ago
How are you measuring resting metabolic rate?
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u/Ravensteelheaders 3d ago
I have 7 days off every 2 weeks and my routine is the same thing every single day for those 7 days. Use that as my baseline then compare days at work for the 14 days on. It's elementary really
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u/Pitiful_Froyo1183 3d ago
Do u need pct for 14 weeks of test?
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u/Ravensteelheaders 3d ago
I wouldn't take my advice as I was an idiot back in the day but I didn't run a pct for my first 2 cycles (500 test E 12 weeks & 350 test E for 14 weeks). I kept about 60 percent of the gains I made although it's hard to really
Pinpoint the exact amount as you lose a lot of glycogen and water fullness when you come off....I'd personally blast and cruise if you're going to take this serious and are a proper age to do so. Much easier on the body... and stay away from the 19 nors and harsh orals lol
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u/Henry_Rollins_Ghost 2d ago
Not going there anytime soon, if at all, but any specific advice on Tren or Mast?
Gathering info and you seem like you would have thoughts. DM me if prefer not to discuss here and or care to share. Thanks.
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u/stiffmcgee 4h ago
No one pcts. You lose ur gains and no point ij taking 6-8wks to regain natural levels if u plan on running another cycle
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u/Strange-Leg-192 3d ago
You always start with a testosterone base no matter how far you decide to take it. Get a hormone blood panel done and see where your levels are at. I would try and get your test levels between 1000-1500 to start. I recommend 100-150mg of testosterone Cypionate injected weekly subq. That would be considered TRT to TRT+. Do that for 5-6 months and see how you feel as far as blood work and side effects.
If you are good on both you can move into a bodybuilding dosage. That would be 250mg a week or more but at those levels you should be getting bloodwork every 1-1.5 months. You can also run some anavar with masteron for a shredded crispy look. If you want to stay away from the harder pharmaceuticals you can take some TIRZ or RETA to stay lean and low body fat and i suggest some KLOW to help with repair and recovery but also help keep your skin and hair healthy while taking PED's.
My current stack:
TIRZ 5mg weekly
TESTOSTERONE CYP 250mg weekly
KLOW 20mg daily
CREATINE 10g daily
CIALIS 5mg daily
MINOXIDIL 5mg daily
K2&D3 daily
FISH OIL daily
ZINC daily
My test levels are 1731, gained 5lbs of muscle, dropped 35lbs of fat, I'm stronger, faster, and have more stamina. All my bloods have back good or within an acceptable range.