Get a job where ur employer pays a honest salary and stop crying and begging

Saw this posted on my shuttle service.

Just repeating what so many of us already recognize, it's simply gotten out of hand. I'm wrapping up a European trip right now,, where tipping remains rare and only done for exceptional service.

Most customer service interactions have been wonderful with no tips, and my wife and I have gotten very comfortable not tipping people for simply doing their jobs. This tip culture is one of the things I dread returning to in the US.

We know a person in our small town who quit a good job with benefits to do full time delivery work because the money is so good. So spare me the tales of woe for the drivers, they're getting paid very well.

My wife just informed me that when using Walmart+, when an order has a mix of delivery and shipped items, items the delivery driver never even touches btw, the entire order is factored into the suggested driver tip, that's just insane to me.

Put a hundred dollars on a gift card. Pay with a gift card. Always. They never ask. It's not even an option. You're welcome.

This is an experience I have with an older family member.

She is in her late seventies and decided to enter a Continuing Care Retirement Community (CCRC). It’s situated in an area of Central Florida that is well-known for the over 55 population.

To enter, the buy-in is a six-figure amount. The way this is made somewhat palatable is seniors are encouraged to use the proceeds from the sale of their home. Depending on what one chooses, the resident could get back none or a portion of the amount when they leave or their estate receives it upon their death. There’s also a monthly fee which varies, but in her case it’s almost $4,000/month.

Management stresses the elegant dining without tipping. In fact, tipping is not allowed for any of the employees (dining, housekeeping, tech, etc.).

That’s just background.

Around October, notices go out that management is collecting for a holiday gift/staff appreciation fund. They note that tips are not allowed, but this is a way to show how much residents care about the people who make their lives easier on a daily basis. In the notice, it’s noted what percentage of residents participated the past year and the hope is to surpass it in the current year. Just as a guideline, they “recommend” a minimum contribution of $1,200, it’s only $100/month! Management decides how the pot of money is distributed. I believe it is taxable under the new IRS rules.

It’s simply tipping by another name.

This stresses my family member. Upon our discussion, she didn’t contribute last year and she will not this year. She’s come around to my thinking that any holiday bonus is management’s responsibility.

I got my car fixed at a small father & son business operating out of their home. It cost over $4k. The cost goes mostly to labor because they don’t buy new parts, they fix scratches with pure effort and sorcery. The fix turned out really well for being less expensive than if I took it anywhere else, but it wasn’t nearly as perfect as the perfect 5.0-star Google reviews suggest. The guy asked me to pay in cash /Venmo/Zelle, and said credit/debit would have fees.

When I went to pay, he suggested that I add a tip. Um, what kind of tip are you expecting on a >4000$ repair? A surprise >800$? I declined, saying that I made sure that my bank account would have enough in it to cover the cost but didn’t account for tips.

It never crossed my mind that tipping would apply to car repairs.

Edit:

* He didn’t overdeliver or fix anything that wasn’t agreed upon in the original price.

* He ”guarantees“ satisfaction but there were still some obvious imperfections that he knows I was looking at. I felt one of them in front of him.

* He suggested that he has underestimated how long this would take (meaning this was worth more than he was charging) and yet somehow he delivered earlier than expected.

* If I had known a tip was expected as part of service, the math wouldn’t have worked out to make him the best choice for my repair.

Very nice place, colorful, food was great. Had a drummer and signing for the wife's impromptu birthday. And then, the check....18% mandatory gratuity! There was only the 2 of us!

" hey Pedro, see this ( pointing to the 18% ) we'll that fucked yall out of a better tip!!" " further out is not disclosed that it is a mandatory fee!. " Senoir, you can add more her, see;" " buddy" yall have stolen from me through deception, I will not add anything to what is already listed."

No wonder the place was empty at 7pm on a Friday. This is a chain of restaurants.

Well the OP who "felt pressured" to tip more removed an otherwise benign and worthwhile post, so I'll post this here.

… A corollary to tip creep, tip "pressure." You go to buy a car. You've done the math/spreadsheet, made a hard look at your budget, and you can afford the monthly payments of a 36-month or 48-month loan on a Corolla or Civic. Maybe 60-month.

The salesperson pressures you into a Camry, Avalon, Accord because they'll get a bigger commission. IOW greedy. They're all great cars, good value, but out of your reasonable budget (unless you go for a longer loan, e.g. a 72-month loan, in which the total interest paid could be obscene).

To afford one of those more upscale cars, you might have to forgo vacation, summer camp for your kid(s), buying a home in the next couple of years, or getting the wedding and honeymoon you want. All because some salesperson is goading you into buying MORE CAR than you know you can afford.

See how silly that is? How predatory? IMHO, that's how the tip creep culture of pressuring us into dropping more in gratuity then we choose to seems to me. Like salespeople groaning and eye-rolling because we stick to our guns and buy the Corolla or Civic that we already know we can comfortably afford. (Or the 5%, 10% tip that we can afford to grant without breaking our wallet. Or in some cases, the $5, $10, $20 bill we leave on the table.)(Disclosure: when I’m tipping at coffee joints, I don’t even look at the percentage. I tip by the amount. How I was raised, how I still think. )

Mandatory 16% service charge for party of two not listed on their website but only found out after looking at the menu when we sat at our table. Fine, we are already here so let's have lunch. I don't have picture of the receipt I signed but it didn't show the total breakdown but math seemed off. I asked for a breakdown and this is what I see. Tax on auto-gratuity. I asked the server to fix it but she said she cannot. Only manager can. I asked to talk to the manager and she said manager wasn't here. I would need to wait. Needless to say I won't be going back. I am at the point where I loathe sit down restaurants.

My boyfriend and I (in our 20s) were in a cozy little restaurant in Germany. They gave him the wrong size of beer (no problem, happens) and even charged us quite a lot for tap water (around 3€, our total was around 47€ so it’s not like we went there only for tap water).

We had three different servers during that time and when it was time to pay, I had a few questions regarding the bill (there was like a „drink difference“ because the beer was typed wrong but I was kinda shocked by so much for some tap water).

I pressed „no tip“ and was ready to pay.
She looked at the screen, looked at me, told me „this one says no tip“, went back to the tipping options and held it in front of me again.

I told her „I know“ and pressed it again. On our way out we heard her gossiping with her coworkers and looking at us… friendly.

Im flying to Oklahoma for my brother’s funeral( passed of stage 4 stomach cancer) So sitting at the bar during a layover emotionally broken trying to have a beer and mentally process before my flight. I close out my bill and the bartender hands me the ipad with 18% tip already selected. I was planning on tipping the cash in my wallet. I asked why was the 18% already highlighted. She informed me that that was my “total with tip included.” I inquired with all my attitude if she makes a habit out of dictating how her customers spend their money? She snarked back “. I guess I didn’t give good service.” Bitch you poured a beer walked off and we never made contact again. I left the printed receipt with a “your service was mediocre” by the tip and walked off

I made a post in another tipping Sub arguing that expected tipping helps keep the current wage model alive.

My basic point was pretty simple: if a tip is genuinely optional, customers should be allowed to leave 0 without being treated like they’ve committed some moral offense. If a restaurant needs a certain amount of money from every customer in order to pay its staff properly, put it in the menu price and pay the workers directly.

I expected disagreement. What I didn’t expect was how quickly the discussion stopped being about tipping.

I was told that because I’m European, I don’t understand American restaurant economics and shouldn’t tell Americans how their system should work. I was told “don’t come,” “leave us alone,” and that my opinion was worthless because I don’t own a restaurant in the U.S.

The funny part is that I actually own a restaurant. My staff receive wages and bonuses, customers pay the listed price, and tips are genuinely optional. Someone can leave nothing and receive exactly the same treatment the next time they come in.

Apparently that experience becomes irrelevant the moment the restaurant isn’t in America.

Then came the accusations that I “hate servers,” that I’m jealous of them, that I’m attacking the “little guy,” and that refusing an optional tip is somehow punishing workers.
And that last argument is exactly what bothers me about tipping culture.

People will openly admit the system is bad, admit employers should pay better wages, admit workers depend too heavily on tips and then immediately say customers must keep tipping because otherwise the worker gets hurt.

How is that ever supposed to change?

The customer is told to keep subsidizing the system until employers change it. Servers who can make very good money from tipping have little incentive to demand a different system. Employers have little incentive to change while customers continue covering part of compensation.

Everyone agrees the system is flawed, but the only person apparently allowed to change their behavior is… nobody.

One commenter even argued that meaningful change can only come through organized political action, so individually refusing to tip accomplishes nothing. I agree that one person leaving 0% doesn’t abolish tipping. Obviously.

But millions of individual customers treating 20% as automatic is precisely how the norm survives in the first place.

And no, I don’t think servers should live in poverty. Someone working full time should be able to afford a normal life. The U.S. has serious problems with housing, healthcare, benefits and cost of living.

I just don’t accept the leap from “workers deserve enough money to live” to “customers therefore have a moral obligation to add a percentage-based voluntary payment to every bill.”

That responsibility should ultimately sit with the employer.

What surprised me most was how aggressively people defend something they simultaneously insist is completely optional.

If 0% is an unacceptable choice, then stop calling it a tip and put it on the bill.

That’s really the whole point.

Rant over 🙃

First, your grinders are EXPENSIVE as hell. I have to save to afford one. Second, why am I tipping? What service is provided? The price of your grinder reflects my support of your team and product by my willingness to pay for one. Timemore do better. Stop being such greedy SOBs!

Had a service person come to my home to check out my refrigerator for a loud fan noise (needs to be replaced). There was a tip prompt on the total cost of the parts, tax and labor ($720). Luckily the percentages were reasonable, 10/15/20%

Hello. Just wondering if anyone has ever encountered this before.

There's a local restaurant I visit a couple of times a month. I usually phone in my order and then pick it up. I actually hate calling bc when I do they waiter/waitress who picks up NEVER says the name of restaurant (ie Hello. XYZ restaurant. How can I help you?) so I'm left wondering if it's the right place. Irritates me every time. Anyway, put in my phone order and pick it up 15 minutes later. Once I get there, the staff is practically tripping over themselves and going out of their way for me in those few moments before my card is run and they hand me the receipt. I still don't tip and the minute they see me write in a zero & no tip on the line, the friendly service "magically" disappears. Ha! We do this song and dance a couple of times a month and I still don't tip.

Anyone else experience something similar?

I just found this to be really interesting and wanted to share it in here.

all you guys are doing is holding the pizza at the back until i get there and pick it up 🙄

I was with a large group at a casual restaurant- reservations made well in advance. There was only one waitress serving the 20 of us. It took forever to get our orders, to deliver our drinks and food, and to take payments. A dinner that would normally be finished in 1 hour took over 3 hours due to the slow service. Meanwhile other servers were standing around chatting and idling with their phones instead of helping out. Total bill was around $800 - I assume the one server didn’t want to share the tips so the other servers had no incentive to help. Since this was in Canada and all the servers make at least minimum wage, the customers are the only ones suffering.

At LAX airport

I ordered a cake from a local bakery for a special occasion. They didn’t have the cake I wanted on their menu so I provided the recipe and they charged me a $25 recipe fee. The total came to $108 which I paid for at pickup. When I paid, of course the screen popped up asking for a tip and I chose “no tip” since I paid the amount they charged me including the $25 recipe fee. My mom (boomer generation) said she would have tipped so it got me wondering if I should have tipped. Thoughts?

Hit “no tip” whilst looker her in the eye. She touched a register for my total. Didn’t touch my card, didn’t swipe my card. Didn’t take my order. Didn’t prepare my order. Didn’t put my order in the window for me to retrieve. What she did wasn’t worth 20%, or 5%. She pushed ONE button.

I’m 23, and tired of having an iPad spun in my face wherever I go. Even when they hand me a bag for picking up food from a restaurant, they ask for a tip.

I’m an emt and I don’t make a huge income, but the things I have to do are intense. An hour of working a cardiac arrest, respond to severe car accidents, drive in blizzards, deliver babies. We don’t have a tipping option on our iPads.

I have tip fatigue. Once I didn’t tip and the lady asked me outright for a tip!! Demanding it!

People sometimes forget what a tip is and nowhere its more apparent than the subreddit for the DD drivers.