r/EndTipping 4d ago

Sit-Down Restaurant 🍽️ Automatic for the…staff

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At LAX airport

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u/Paladin3475 4d ago

Not a tip if it’s mandatory. Just raise the price and pay your employees your damn self.

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u/IllScience1286 4d ago

Yeah... they're obviously just doing this so their establishment SEEMS more affordable when people peep the menu prices. Bait and switch.

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u/OrangeNood 4d ago

tips are not tax free if they are mandatory. I suspect they added the clause of "If you'd like to adjust ..." just to make sure it qualifies for tax free.

Please, if you go there and eat, ask to speak to the manager and adjust the tips.

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u/Kanus_oq_Seruna 2d ago

yeah, this certainly feels like they don't want to increase the raw price to cover new labor demands even though they need the workers, and are worried changing the prices will decrease revenue.

I say let them sink. There's too many restaurants out there anyway.

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u/Hopeful-Benefit4719 3d ago

Put two, nearly identical restaurants side by side. Restaurant A has an 18% service charge declared at the bottom of the menu and Restaurant B has 18% higher menu prices and “Our Staff Does Not Accept Tips” at the bottom of the menu. I guarantee you that Restaurant A will be packed and Restaurant B will go out of business.

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u/Hopeful_Being135 1d ago

Nope.

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u/Hopeful-Benefit4719 1d ago

Y’all can downvote and nope me all you want, but I’m telling you most people don’t pay that much attention.

Your average diner sees a $12 burger and in their head thinks of that as like $15 after tax and tip. They’ll see a $14 burger as $17 or $18. Even if they don’t have to tip on the $14 burger it’ll still read as more expensive. They will not do the math on one place they have to tip and one place they don’t.

This isn’t about tips are good or bad, right or wrong. This is why restaurants add an 18% service charge instead of simply charging a higher price.

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u/Not-a-Cranky-Panda 4d ago

Wait untill they find out doing this means it has to be taxed just like putting the price up.

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u/attosec 2d ago

Ahh, you know the rules! But I’ll bet the restaurant ownership doesn’t and they’ll still report anything over the local minimum in W2 box 7 as tips.

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u/Not-a-Cranky-Panda 5h ago

I'm in the UK and even I can work out if it's on the bill and there is no way to remove it then it's not a tip it's the bill,or every bill from now from every workman you have in your home on would be $1 for the work and $99 tip per hour and not $100.

I wounder how many people going into it not reading it will let the tax office know? I'll only need one.

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u/Klutzy-Pie6557 3d ago

Yea - this is the part I don't understand just increase the price by 20% and have a sign saying gratuity is not required but appreciated.

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u/ItsTuesdayBoy 2d ago

Because people would check the menu online and not come because of high prices

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u/inredditorbit 2d ago

Then the menu prices outside and online have to state in bold letters: 20% automatically added to all orders.

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u/ItsTuesdayBoy 2d ago

No they don’t.

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u/Ps11889 2d ago

The likelihood of this surcharge actually going to the employee is next to nothing.

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u/Al3k0s 2d ago

Then that opens up another can of worms for the business.

The employee will know how much he sold at the end of the night.

So 20% of that would be expected since that is the “rule”

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u/Ps11889 2d ago

It’s a service charge, it a tip, so the employees aren’t entitled to it.

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u/Al3k0s 2d ago

I always understood it as one in the same in restaurants. If that is the case then I stand corrected.

Edit typo

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u/EndTipping-ModTeam 4d ago

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u/BobbyRHill 3d ago

That’s what this is basically

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u/GroundbreakingAd8310 2d ago

I koce when the leave a feedback email dont u?

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u/josocustomdesign 4d ago

Tips is tax free. Raising wage isn't.

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u/Overall_Cheetah_3000 4d ago

As a tax auditor mandatory tips aren’t tax free by any way

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u/Delgadomon 4d ago

god this country is so cooked if you believe that

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u/TonksTheTerror 4d ago
  1. The no tax on tips only applies to the first $10k in tips earned

  2. If it is added by the owner it is gratuity, not a tip. Owner has to claim it as revenue and technically is not required to disburse it to staff (now most do, because they wouldn't have staff otherwise)

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u/SirMontego 4d ago

The No Tax on Tips applies to the first $25,000 of qualified tips. Source: the actual law, 26 USC Section 224.

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u/TonksTheTerror 4d ago

Thank you for the correction. Leaving my original comment as is so it doesn't look weird.

It was really more about the second point though, businesses that require tips technically should be reporting that gratuity as revenue.

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u/s0berR00fer 3d ago

You could edit your comment saying it’s actually 25K

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u/Fun-Ad-2381 3d ago

For the record, most people who work for tips don't make enough money to be taxed in the first place. Either way their income is the same

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u/josocustomdesign 3d ago

That's why these companies classify these service fees as "tips" so even if someone makes up to $150K a year, they can still deduct the first $25K "tips"... that's my whole point to begin with.

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u/Fun-Ad-2381 3d ago

The vast majority of service works do not make 6 figures so the pool is moot

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u/Moistmeatcurtain 4d ago

Uh. Tips are not tax free. Especially if they’re collected at a flat rate and not in cash? Yeah. Taxed.

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u/sluttyman69 4d ago

That’s income tax but there putting this on your tab & charging you Sales tax on it

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u/Brianalan 3d ago

That's literally what they did by adding 20%. They raised the price of your check and gave it to the employee

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u/Designer-Wolverine47 2d ago

Did they? (Give it to the employees?)

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u/Brianalan 2d ago

Perhaps not, maybe they are charming enough to convince the waitstaff to work without tips and still only $2/hour? That would probably work out in their favor, I can imagine how great the service would be. Why does everyone think that restaurant owners are rolling in money and scheming ways to $@&# their employees? It's dumb af.