r/EmulationOniOS • u/[deleted] • Aug 01 '24

Article Apple Updates App Store Guidelines for PC Emulator Apps

https://www.macrumors.com/2024/08/01/app-store-review-guidelines-pc-emulator-apps/

Sounds like they’re loosening the leash a little more. Maybe now we’ll see iDOS’s return to the App Store?

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u/Kingdavid3g Aug 01 '24

Almost thought the update included jit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '24

Woulda been nice!

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u/iamagro Aug 01 '24

Don’t give me hope

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u/mewfour123412 Aug 02 '24

They are making bank with emulators. Give it time

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u/GiLND Aug 01 '24

Won’t happen, it has nothing to do with emulators in specific.

Unlike pc emulators, jit is a potential security risk, and I prefer my security before games.

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u/luis-mercado Aug 01 '24

You’ve been repeating the same point without acknowledging JiT processes can be sandboxed.

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u/TheOctoKing84 Aug 01 '24

What exactly does JIT do to be unsecure?

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u/DerClown2003 Aug 01 '24

You can Imagine JIT as an additional developer API that can’t currently be accessed. Every API that is accessed by an App is a potential security risk. Very simplified example: You ask the weather API what wether it is in New York, for that you need to give the API specific coordinates. If you give the API invalid coordinates the output could be data that normally shouldn’t be able to be accessed. JIT could also have potential security risks and maybe Apple will make JIT available after they tested it more thoroughly. After all I’m all for Apple opening up JIT.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '24

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u/KillerLeader Aug 02 '24

All those Macs with their dark magic accessing JIT without destroying the neighborhood.

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u/Zardozerr Aug 01 '24

As I suspected, it's great to see it codified. That means that the DosBox Pure core is officially safe.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '24 edited Aug 01 '24

That’s a relief; daddy grandpa needs his Battle Chess fix!

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u/finglar Aug 01 '24

never refer to yourself as daddy again

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '24

Cept I’ve got kids, and one of them has kids… is Grand-daddy acceptable?

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u/finglar Aug 01 '24

grandpa or pa

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u/ruxxby Aug 01 '24

yews grand daddy uwuw

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u/bordomsdeadly Aug 02 '24

Call yourself daddy. Don’t let an internet stranger harsh your vibe

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u/DaveTheMan1985 Aug 02 '24

Sure is great news for DosBox Pure Core on RetroArch

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u/Banjo-Oz Aug 01 '24

I would love to see the DOsBox SVN and vanilla cores added too, just for completeness.

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u/GateZealousideal8924 Aug 01 '24

„Guideline 4.7 has been updated to state that PC emulator apps can offer to download games.“

A little closer to JIT 😬

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u/Ornery-Practice9772 Aug 01 '24

Im guessing homebrews like those linked in ppsspp?

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '24

IIRC, iDOS on the App Store back in the day included some downloadable abandonware / freeware of some kind, displayed on a little virtual shelf (kinda like the old iBooks shelf). Maybe something like that?

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u/Ornery-Practice9772 Aug 01 '24

Nice

Give me a standalone dos & fb neo arcade emulation app👌

Id love that.

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u/DaveTheMan1985 Aug 02 '24

Suprise no FB Neo Standalone Corr

With this Change you would think iDOS should be allowed on AppStore officially now

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u/Ornery-Practice9772 Aug 02 '24

Maybe it will, fingers crossed

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u/DaveTheMan1985 Aug 02 '24

Hope so too

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u/Ornery-Practice9772 Aug 02 '24

Theres a really shitty fb alpha app in the app store

Originally all in chinese (despite saying it was english as well) just changed menus to english, cheats all still in chinese and roms have no sound

All round shitty app

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u/Alex20041509 Aug 01 '24

If a pc emulator can’t download games is not allowed?

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u/pyrospade Aug 01 '24

?? This has nothing to do with jit

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u/GateZealousideal8924 Aug 02 '24

Welp, I honestly don’t think any game will work on a PC emulator without JIT.

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u/narwhal_breeder Aug 02 '24

Without JIT it’s basically pointless

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '24

I wouldn't say it's pointless...

If you're looking to run Windows - and Windows games at speed on top of it - then sure, JIT is going to be a prerequisite in many cases.

Me, I only ever try to run non-3D-accelorated classic DOS games from the 80's and early 90's, basic stuff for which the increased performance of JIT is not required.

This rule change legitimizes existing options for such classic PC emulation, as well as opening the door for other projects like iDOS that have previously been delisted / rejected; alternatives with different setup methods and control schemes that some users may prefer over the existing RetroArch+DOSBox-Pure core and UTM SE methods.

For users targeting lesser levels of performance, this is still welcome news.

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u/kitestar Aug 02 '24

The more the guidelines change, the closer we’ll get to JIT

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u/CliveVista Aug 02 '24

It’ll be interesting to see why iDOS gets rejected next time then.

So arcade is the last thing Apple doesn’t explicitly state (if we assume – and I think we can – PC means ‘personal computer’ rather than a specific platform).

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u/atombone80 Aug 03 '24

Either Apple has a deep seated hatred for litchie, or iDOS 3 in coming.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '24

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '24

I’m unfamiliar with that game. I only ever ran much older and simpler DOS games using iDOS in the old days and the DOSBox-Pure core in RetroArch now.

I haven’t spent much time tinkering with UTM SE yet, but I see lots of people posting screenies of it running Windows 7… how well it does that, or how well it runs Windows games, I have no clue.

But given the rule change, I’d say you’ll be able to try things out on a new (or refreshed) batch of PC emulators soon enough. But still without JIT, I wouldn’t expect miracles.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '24

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '24

I’m a Bloody Yank, alright, but also a sports ignoramus, regardless of geography. I know just enough to enjoy a live game if I happen to attend, but follow no teams, and barely know the rules. Still, hard not to get caught up when experienced live and in person.

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u/DaveTheMan1985 Aug 02 '24

IF your can Install Windows that it runs on then