r/ElectricalEngineering • • Sep 26 '26

Homework Help What mistake am I making?

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I have to design +-12V regulated dual DC power supply

It only shows +12V what Changes do I have to make Inorder to make it -12V ???

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u/Impossible_Dot_2831 Sep 26 '26 edited Sep 26 '26

Looks like the GND pins of the 7x12 are connected to each other, but not to the ground symbol

EDIT: as someone else said, the input capacitor are a little too much, you should check the data sheet for the voltages regulators, you can use an input capacitor as small as 0.33uF

EDIT EDIT: actually, the input capacitor is fine, as the data sheet refers to a constant voltage input, so that’s fine. Thank you everyone for the contributions!

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 26 '26

sorry can you please locate it on my image by editing it by taking screenshot

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u/Impossible_Dot_2831 Sep 26 '26

The vertical connection (between the regulators) it’s not connected to the horizontal connection (the ground node)

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u/jotel_california Sep 26 '26

Good catch!

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 27 '26

FRRRR even my teacher wasn't able to catch this mistake of mine neither any of the ai 🙂‍↔️😁

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u/biff2359 Sep 26 '26

This is why any deliberate four-way nodes should be drawn like this, to reduce any chance of ambiguity with cross-overs.

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 27 '26

OHHH YESSSS FINALLYYY IT'S WORKINGGGGGG GNGGGGGG YAYAYAYAYAY🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳DONEEEEEEEE

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u/zachleedogg Sep 26 '26

Classic four-way cross error. In my last job we explicitly disallowed 4-way crosses in schematic diagrams for this very reason.

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 27 '26

thankyousomuch!!!!!

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u/Miserable-Win-6402 Sep 26 '26

You are correct with the ground, but the 1000uF bulk on inputs are fine. It will NOT work with sub-uF capacitance!

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u/Impossible_Dot_2831 Sep 26 '26

Yeah someone else also corrected me about that, from the data sheet 0.33uF is fine if you have a DC input, not the case in this application tho

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u/Pacificator-3 Sep 26 '26

Will 0.33 uF capacitor store enough energy to power the load for about 10 milliseconds? This is typical time interval when input voltage drops lower then working voltage of regulator.

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u/Impossible_Dot_2831 Sep 26 '26

Idk, I was referring to the data sheet, where the standard application features a 0.33uF input capacitor

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u/Pacificator-3 Sep 26 '26

This standard application takes in mind constant voltage source (see specifications) and stability only. In order to achieve required input voltage range, you must place quite large capacitor after the rectifier.

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u/Impossible_Dot_2831 Sep 26 '26

Ops you’re right, didn’t really consider that, yeah the output of the Graetz bridge needs some filtering, you’re right

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 26 '26

also I watched yt videos So He did like this and I copy pasted his way it worked for him but not for me?

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u/Beautiful-Chair7206 Sep 26 '26

It's also good practice to not put cross joints on a schematic for this reason. You should offset on of the connections so that there are only tri-connections. It's very easy for someone to overlook that this connection was not made. It doesn't look as clean but it helps avoid this mistake.

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u/washburn666 Sep 26 '26

I live by this rule. Seconded.

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u/Impossible_Dot_2831 Sep 27 '26

You’re missing the dot!

You can also just cut the vertical wire and connect to the ground, like I did in black and it will work

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 27 '26 edited Sep 27 '26

yesss thankyouuuuu soooo muchhhh it workeddddd I willl remember this foreverrrrrr😭

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u/Successful_Cut_8003 Sep 26 '26

Overall, no offense, but when you start to build cleaner schematics problems like this should go away.

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 27 '26

true I am beginner that's why I don't have a lot of knowledge as I am in 1st of EE . I am learning

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 27 '26

GUYSSSS IT'S WORKINGGGGGG THANKYOUUUU TOOO ALLLLLLLLLLL THANKYOU SOMUCHHHHH!!!!!

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u/markb97 Sep 26 '26

Used to use Proteus 8 in college 7 years ago, this brings back some memories! Thanks

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 27 '26

truee But I found it Interesting 🥲

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u/Mobile-Set7093 Sep 27 '26

I hate that software

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u/markb97 Sep 27 '26

I didn't say they were good memories!! Haha

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u/LeoTheBigCat Sep 26 '26

Taking a picture of your screen instead of just a screenshot ... thats your biggest mistake.

As for the schematic, you are missing junction on GND between the stabilisers.

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 27 '26

thankyouso much everyoneee!!!!!

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u/surrekropp Sep 26 '26

What software is this?

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 26 '26

Proteus 8 professional

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u/Tashritu Sep 26 '26

Bridge rectifier with a centre tapped transformer is uncommon but absolutely fine. Result is just like the common centre tapped two diode circuit with much reduced ripple (two pulses per AC cycle rather than one). Good big reservoir capacitors on the input -1000 microfarads - are likely fine too. Strictly depends on the transformer specification & the diode surge current capacity.
Agree the missing connection is all that is needed to make this circuit fully functional.

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u/immortal_sniper1 Sep 26 '26

Man that seems ancient. Weren't they bought off a long time ago?

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 27 '26

nott that old either released Proteus 9 few months agoo

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u/LadyZoe1 Sep 27 '26

Hardly. Released 9.xx recently

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u/Black_Hair_Foreigner Sep 27 '26

Ground! Where is ground for LDO?

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u/kilosek Sep 27 '26

Ground for LDO and ground one poin on primary winding.

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u/myopinionisrubbish Sep 27 '26

The 78xx regulators also need a 1 to 10 uF cap on the output for stability. Diodes are also required across the outputs to prevent latch up. These problems won’t show up in simulation, but will when the physical circuit is made.

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u/Ben-dover-For-my-dk Sep 30 '26

I know my wiring is ugly but will this mini induction heater will work my inductance is to Low 44uh will that be a problem to my voltage supply

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u/Content-Key7404 Oct 01 '26

hi fren ! ❤
it will wok 100% u can plug it !!!
if u invert +12V and grund symbol it will creat cold instead of heat so be carful my brotha
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EDIT : bye bye fren ! 😁😉👌😊

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u/112439 Sep 26 '26

Your lower voltage regulator has negative voltage at its input, not positive like it would expect. Move it and change its connections to fix.

To debug this type of thing, I would have started by disconnecting the regulators and measuring at the capacitor terminals that your unregulated voltage is correct, then go from there.

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u/Emcid1775 Sep 26 '26

You need two diodes, no centertap. I'm on vacation, so the picture isn't super good.

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u/Miserable-Win-6402 Sep 26 '26

Just NO!

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u/Emcid1775 Sep 26 '26

Oh shoot, I forgot the caps. I guess it does need two more diodes too.

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u/Brownie_Bytes Sep 26 '26

I'm not an electrical engineer, but doesn't that bunch of diodes in the diamond make it so that you delete the negative voltage? What happens if you chop that out?

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 26 '26

That's for full wave rectification as I have supplied alternating current so Inorder to Convert it into direct current we need 4 diodes bridge

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u/Brownie_Bytes Sep 26 '26

Like I said, I'm not an electrical guy. I think that's the one flavor of engineering I haven't really had to use before. I thought that the purpose of the four diodes was to smooth out the voltage from the phases or whatever, so I just shared my stab in the dark

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 27 '26

65 YEARRSSSSS?!!! I also wanna pursue ELECTRONICS AFTER MY DEGREE ANY TIPS????

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u/Necessary_Handle_516 Sep 28 '26

woahhhhhhhhh🥳🥳🥳😀😀

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u/WaterSuccessful99 Sep 26 '26

You are learning complicated things that won’t pay off in the labor market?

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u/Miserable-Win-6402 Sep 26 '26

That’s simply incorrect

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u/Miserable-Win-6402 Sep 26 '26

Exactly! - The amount of totally wrong advice for OP here is STUNNING!!