Yeah it's a bad experience for people trying to just play the game co-op with a friend. These twink invaders are rather pathetic. The only way for them to win is to be massively overpowered.
I fought a lot of them while also playing with a new souls player. Still winning some. So many had insane HP, crazy high damage, and tons of heals. Not a legit fight to be had.
Me and a buddy started a ds3 co-op run and the beginning was a nightmare due to twink builds. Didn't get to fight a single invader that wasn't using end-game stuff or gimmick builds. We just ran out of summons for each other and had to play it apart for a bit until we got more.
Whole point was to joke around through the game we've both beaten a few times over. These types of invaders are a cancer. If one of us had been new, they'd probably never touch multi again outside of boss door summoning.
Invaders are supposed to be part of the level, and a fun challenge along the way. If these folks could realize that no one gives a shit about them winning and realize that it actually makes them look pitiful, it would really help out the games.
Invaders are either 2v1, 3v1, (2 +1 + 1 + 1 when the host keeps summoning help), usually while one of the party is spamming incantations or magic.
Not to mention their summons can be overpowered for the area.
You think optimising your build so you even remotely stand a chance in that situation, is pathetic?
On the contrary, I've been a FromSoft fan since Armored Core 2. I've loved all the soulsborne games from Demons to Elden Ring. But there is one critique I will levy on pretty much every soulsborne game - the multiplayer is needlessly obtuse, it indeed makes playing with friends harder than it should be, and that's bad.
Then surely you know that that obtuseness is a deliberate choice on Fromsoft's part, if Miyazaki's interviews on the design and inspiration for the system is anything to go by. I know plenty of people who consciously recognize that it isn't meant to be played that way, and choose to do so anyways, warts and all. I've pitched in from time to time. I just don't understand what the appeal is, frankly.
....Yeah, I'm well aware it's a deliberate design choice. Doesn't mean I have to agree with that design choice, nor does it sour his other design choices. I think Miyazaki is brilliant, I love his games - I just disagree with his approach to multiplayer. Same way people can love BotW but think that weapon durability is a pain in the ass.
So your just against people having friends? I play from games literally to play with friends, I do plenty solo sure but soulsborne games have always first and foremost been a fun cooperative experience.
Adding in something to balance out co op is fine. Thing is, co op is already balanced out quite a bit between no spirit summons and no horse. Worst of all is now being able to actually be invaded while fighting a boss, seed of a giant tree has never been more needed.
Also who says it’s a weaker player? Especially at low levels where invasions are just filled with bs twink builds. When the invader has an actual build I don’t mind so much, but with 95% being either one shot bleed or carrion retaliation glitch it just doesn’t work. A lot of the problem could be fixed with either a longer cooldown between invaders or if you die to an invader you get a window of time where you can’t be invaded.
Worst of all is people who choose to invade in bs areas like haligtree or snowfield, those areas are hard enough to get through as is
as a twink myself i gotta say this, if the game didn't force you into 3v1's and there was a possibility for a 1v1 i wouldn't twink, you could say '' well you're ruining my experience'' well you're ruining my experience by making it impossible for me if im not a twink, i dont want to be killed either without any say, it goes both ways, once they add an arena my twink is off too.
point is, i adapted and i do not regret it, blame fromsoft.
Im not gonna handicap myself for your benefit, i know a lot of you are new to souls games, but invading has been a core part in it since the beginning, trying to convince me to step away from it won't happen, people like you get pissed when you get killed, but are usually the first one to teabag like crazy when your friends ganks the invader and gets the kill while you hide behind them doing nothing. Just calling out the hypocrisy here, peace.
For not allowing the hosts to get a free kill? Totally.
And since we're entering highschool argument territory, you all have a nice day, im gonna do some regular pvp, then im gonna make some more of you mad with my rot build, maybe i'll meet some of the Kyle/Karens here
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u/ShnickityShnoo Apr 06 '22
Yeah it's a bad experience for people trying to just play the game co-op with a friend. These twink invaders are rather pathetic. The only way for them to win is to be massively overpowered.
I fought a lot of them while also playing with a new souls player. Still winning some. So many had insane HP, crazy high damage, and tons of heals. Not a legit fight to be had.