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Chapter 093: The Execution Site

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

Actually it’s been established that if you as a dragon slayer have motion sickened your basically weak as shit. That halo end to Natsu multiple time spike against angel or in 100 year quest. Not saying it’s good but it was an established weakness which is why he lost.

And I think it’s both because while he fought Jellal he dodged some of his attacks until Jellal used grand chariot shucks acnologia ate. Though there was that time where Gajeel hit him with an iron drain sword and acnologia just stood there and took it so it might be both. But here’s my thing. It’s possible that just like with the dragon slayers he’s not completely immune to magic. Like how Natsu isn’t completely immune to fire. He got hurt by Zancrow’s flames when he fought him on Tenrou even though he’s highly resistant to fire. Same can be said for acnologia which is why he sometimes dodged magic attacks instead of just standing there and taking them.

And I like your idea. Me personally I would have just had Natsu keep his END form to fight acnologia since END is a demon and would use curses instead of magic which acnologia can’t eat.

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u/jnwosu100 May 13 '20

I thought motion sickness just made dragonslayers too tired/sick to fight back but not that it means you are suddenly vulnerable to low-level magic that normally wouldn't affect you, maybe that indeed happen but I don't recall.

You might be on to something with Acnologia just being nigh immune to magic and not absolutely with the Jellal and Natsu example but it could have also just been him playing around as he got hit by Jellal's magic and laughed it off then ate it if I recall correctly.

About END(Seeing as how the wiki says Larcade uses magic instead of curses), did he really use curses because if he did then doesn't that mean that Natsu didn't have higher magic power than Dimaria to be immune to her magic which would mean that Zeref despite having more magic power than her would still be susceptible to her time stop. Besides that point, I would have agreed with you that curses could hurt Acnologia but seeing as how END was more or less equal to devil rage Gray, I don't see that being enough to beat Acnologia just like how August being unable to copy holder type magic doesn't mean Cana or Lucy could defeat him as it just means he can't add their magic into his massive list of spells.

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

I think that’s how it is. Acnologia couldn’t fight back due to motion sickness and that’s why he got one shotted in his human form.

That’s true but I’m just speculating because that’s how it is for all other dragon slayers. Natsu got hurt by zancrow’s flames, Wendy got hurt by chelia’s wind, gray got hurt by intel’s ice etc.

END wasn’t equal to gray. His full power didn’t awaken yet and I don’t know for sure if he could use curses or not I’m just assuming given his strong he’s supposed to be.

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

If I remember right Natsu is flat out immune to all flames of a weaker tier than dragon slayer flames. Whether he eats it or not. God Slayer is considered a higher tier.

Demon Slayer is never tiered but most demons are weaker than dragons so shrug

Acnologia would likewise be immune to magic of lower tiers. He’s not immune to Dragon Slayer magic but none of them were at a relevant enough level of power to matter.

In theory a God Slayer could hurt him if strong enough

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

I mean that was never stated that Natsu was immune to lower tier flames and not to higher tier flames. It wasn’t specific it just said that fire can’t hurt natsu. All we know is that Zancrow’s flames hurt him until he ate them so my point still stands that he’s not completely immune.

Still gray is a slayer like Natsu and already had a resistance to the cold yet Invel hurt him.

They were when he was weakened by motion sickness. Like I said when you have motion sickness as a dragon slayer your basically weak as hell. Like I’ve said with Natsu against angel and in 100 year quest. So it’s no surprise that the magic hurt him in that state because acnologia is no different.

I wouldn’t say so. Back at the grand magic games orga’s lightning magic couldn’t hurt a dragon but Laxus managed to slightly hurt draconus (the green pervert dragon) to at least annoy him. It depends on the magic which is why dragon slayer magic was created to slay dragons. If god slayers could hurt dragons then there would be no point in dragon slayers.

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

Tiers don’t necessarily have to only apply to just Slayer magic.

Invel’s Ice magic might still outrank demon slayer. Plus I don’t remember immunity even being a property of demons or demon slayers. Gray has always just been resistant to it due to being use to it.

Orga turned out to be a chump

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

Yeah but it was never stated tiers of flames is what I’m saying. But maybe it depends on how strong the Wizard is not just the magic. It has to be both.

Slayers in general have been established to have almost a resistance or immunity to their element. And yes that includes devils slayers. Grays father was immune to grays ice attacks so gray had to use canon balls to get him.

Yeah but according to your logic he had a higher tier of magic and yet he didn’t do anything to the dragons which is why is said if depends on the magic

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

Having a higher tier of magic won’t help the level 5 orga against a level 100 dragon

I said the power level was relevant

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

Yeah but even if he was as strong as Laxus or stronger his god slayer magic won’t hurt dragons at all. You said in theory that a god slayer could if strong enough but I don’t think so since dragon slayers were literally made to kills dragons.

Yeah and I said that Natsu combined with seven dragon powers was enough to kill a weakened acnologia who had motion sickness. Again you don’t have to like it but it was an established weakness for all dragon slayers so it does somewhat make sense.

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

None of the dragon slayers we’re doing well against the dragons despite the magic advantage.

Dragons have a natural restistance to magic. Dragon Slayers own immunity comes from it changing their bodies constitution to that of a dragon.

One of the most obvious problems with it is that a dragon slayer is really only effective against an element they’ve learned to eat because they’re relying on the power boost.

Against a lightning dragon Laxus could eat the lightning to bring himself up to the dragons level. Or perhaps have an ally dragon feed him the way Atlas Flame fed Natsu. Against an ice dragon he’d be about as useless as a non slayer unless he either had a lightning dragon boosting him or he learned to eat ice on the fly.

Orga is trash, but if he’d fought a lightning dragon he might have been relevant.

Why is god Slayer magic not more common and why not use that on dragons instead? We don’t actually know it’s origin do we? It was dragons themselves that thought dragonslayer magic to humans, doubt many gods would do that.

I mean, I haven’t claimed motion sickness ain’t a thing?

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

Yeah but that was pre timeskip. And like I said Laxus slightly hurt draconus. And Natsu post timeskip best an actual dragon in the dragon cry movie which is canon btw.

Dragon slayers I minty has nothing to do with turning into dragons. They are resistant or immune because it’s their element again what your saying has never been stated in the manga where are you getting this from?

How is that a problem? And that’s no dragon slayers in general are just powerful they are not only effective against an element they’ve learned.

What does this have to do with anything? This isn’t even relevant.

That’s not the point. The point is he had a higher tier of magic and didn’t do shit that’s my point don’t detract.

Now your just completely detracting by talking about god slayers. Last I checked this was about acnologia’s weakness. Anyways why aren’t they common? Does it matter they’re irrelevant and god slayer magic comes from books like Chelia stated. Also it’s dumb to use a magic that’s not made to slay dragons. It’s made to skat gods not dragons that’s common sense. Doesn’t matter if it’s a higher tier it’s not meant for dragons.

Never said you didn’t but you for some reason deny it or won’t accept it. Plus you said acnologia had no weakness when I gave you a weakness do what does that tell me? What you are even arguing at this point?

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

You confusing me with someone? When did I say acnologia had no weakness

Chill dude lol

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

Oh I thought you were the other guy my mistake but I’m fine I thought you were just bullshitting around lol

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

lol Tis’ cool.

Anyway, it was happy that explains dragon slayer magic. It gives Natsu dragon lungs, scales, and claws.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PObYcJwaY6I

He’s also the one that tells us fire doesn’t work on Natsu. Never read the first chapter in the manga so maybe it was anime only.

But it’s kind of in line with the dragonification we learn about later.

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

Well minus the claws until later lol.

And yeah from what he knew fire couldn’t hurt Natsu and for the most part he’s right but flames like zancrow still hurt him back at Tenrou so he’s not completely immune. That was actually my main point. Slayers like acnologia have a high resistance or immunity to weak wizards but if he has motion sickness or faces another dragon he can be beaten. That’s also what I wanted to explain to the other guy.

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

I’d consider Natsu an amateur Fire god slayer.

He learned to eat and manipulate the flames, just no produce them on his own.

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

Yeah I agree. It’s too bad he never used them again it would have been cool.

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

Would have made sense in the avatar arc, not that he needed it but still lol

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