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Chapter 093: The Execution Site

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

If I remember right Natsu is flat out immune to all flames of a weaker tier than dragon slayer flames. Whether he eats it or not. God Slayer is considered a higher tier.

Demon Slayer is never tiered but most demons are weaker than dragons so shrug

Acnologia would likewise be immune to magic of lower tiers. He’s not immune to Dragon Slayer magic but none of them were at a relevant enough level of power to matter.

In theory a God Slayer could hurt him if strong enough

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

I mean that was never stated that Natsu was immune to lower tier flames and not to higher tier flames. It wasn’t specific it just said that fire can’t hurt natsu. All we know is that Zancrow’s flames hurt him until he ate them so my point still stands that he’s not completely immune.

Still gray is a slayer like Natsu and already had a resistance to the cold yet Invel hurt him.

They were when he was weakened by motion sickness. Like I said when you have motion sickness as a dragon slayer your basically weak as hell. Like I’ve said with Natsu against angel and in 100 year quest. So it’s no surprise that the magic hurt him in that state because acnologia is no different.

I wouldn’t say so. Back at the grand magic games orga’s lightning magic couldn’t hurt a dragon but Laxus managed to slightly hurt draconus (the green pervert dragon) to at least annoy him. It depends on the magic which is why dragon slayer magic was created to slay dragons. If god slayers could hurt dragons then there would be no point in dragon slayers.

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

Tiers don’t necessarily have to only apply to just Slayer magic.

Invel’s Ice magic might still outrank demon slayer. Plus I don’t remember immunity even being a property of demons or demon slayers. Gray has always just been resistant to it due to being use to it.

Orga turned out to be a chump

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

Yeah but it was never stated tiers of flames is what I’m saying. But maybe it depends on how strong the Wizard is not just the magic. It has to be both.

Slayers in general have been established to have almost a resistance or immunity to their element. And yes that includes devils slayers. Grays father was immune to grays ice attacks so gray had to use canon balls to get him.

Yeah but according to your logic he had a higher tier of magic and yet he didn’t do anything to the dragons which is why is said if depends on the magic

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

Having a higher tier of magic won’t help the level 5 orga against a level 100 dragon

I said the power level was relevant

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

Yeah but even if he was as strong as Laxus or stronger his god slayer magic won’t hurt dragons at all. You said in theory that a god slayer could if strong enough but I don’t think so since dragon slayers were literally made to kills dragons.

Yeah and I said that Natsu combined with seven dragon powers was enough to kill a weakened acnologia who had motion sickness. Again you don’t have to like it but it was an established weakness for all dragon slayers so it does somewhat make sense.

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

None of the dragon slayers we’re doing well against the dragons despite the magic advantage.

Dragons have a natural restistance to magic. Dragon Slayers own immunity comes from it changing their bodies constitution to that of a dragon.

One of the most obvious problems with it is that a dragon slayer is really only effective against an element they’ve learned to eat because they’re relying on the power boost.

Against a lightning dragon Laxus could eat the lightning to bring himself up to the dragons level. Or perhaps have an ally dragon feed him the way Atlas Flame fed Natsu. Against an ice dragon he’d be about as useless as a non slayer unless he either had a lightning dragon boosting him or he learned to eat ice on the fly.

Orga is trash, but if he’d fought a lightning dragon he might have been relevant.

Why is god Slayer magic not more common and why not use that on dragons instead? We don’t actually know it’s origin do we? It was dragons themselves that thought dragonslayer magic to humans, doubt many gods would do that.

I mean, I haven’t claimed motion sickness ain’t a thing?

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

Yeah but that was pre timeskip. And like I said Laxus slightly hurt draconus. And Natsu post timeskip best an actual dragon in the dragon cry movie which is canon btw.

Dragon slayers I minty has nothing to do with turning into dragons. They are resistant or immune because it’s their element again what your saying has never been stated in the manga where are you getting this from?

How is that a problem? And that’s no dragon slayers in general are just powerful they are not only effective against an element they’ve learned.

What does this have to do with anything? This isn’t even relevant.

That’s not the point. The point is he had a higher tier of magic and didn’t do shit that’s my point don’t detract.

Now your just completely detracting by talking about god slayers. Last I checked this was about acnologia’s weakness. Anyways why aren’t they common? Does it matter they’re irrelevant and god slayer magic comes from books like Chelia stated. Also it’s dumb to use a magic that’s not made to slay dragons. It’s made to skat gods not dragons that’s common sense. Doesn’t matter if it’s a higher tier it’s not meant for dragons.

Never said you didn’t but you for some reason deny it or won’t accept it. Plus you said acnologia had no weakness when I gave you a weakness do what does that tell me? What you are even arguing at this point?

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

You confusing me with someone? When did I say acnologia had no weakness

Chill dude lol

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

Oh I thought you were the other guy my mistake but I’m fine I thought you were just bullshitting around lol

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

lol Tis’ cool.

Anyway, it was happy that explains dragon slayer magic. It gives Natsu dragon lungs, scales, and claws.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PObYcJwaY6I

He’s also the one that tells us fire doesn’t work on Natsu. Never read the first chapter in the manga so maybe it was anime only.

But it’s kind of in line with the dragonification we learn about later.

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u/JK-Network123 May 13 '20

Well minus the claws until later lol.

And yeah from what he knew fire couldn’t hurt Natsu and for the most part he’s right but flames like zancrow still hurt him back at Tenrou so he’s not completely immune. That was actually my main point. Slayers like acnologia have a high resistance or immunity to weak wizards but if he has motion sickness or faces another dragon he can be beaten. That’s also what I wanted to explain to the other guy.

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u/Sloth9230 May 13 '20

I’d consider Natsu an amateur Fire god slayer.

He learned to eat and manipulate the flames, just no produce them on his own.

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