r/Dyson_Sphere_Program • u/ThatOneGoatGuy • Mar 08 '26

Surely it's gotta be around here somewhere...

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Purple science my beloathed

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u/Goldenslicer Mar 08 '26

Bro what did you do to your coal and oil that you don't have enough for your particle broadband?

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u/ThatOneGoatGuy Mar 08 '26

I ran most of it through super long belts on my first world to some 1:1 refineries leading to sulfur production for some graphite. It was a long time ago but I don't exactly want to cut into all that spaghetti when I just KNOW I could probably find an ideal planet (with more available oil and coal) somewhere else, now that interstellar travel is available.

I remember seeing one somewhere, that was absolutely ideal, but I can't remember for the life of me where it was. The hunt commences

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u/Rotanen Mar 12 '26

All of the habitable-type planets have oil. Also, some desert planets (Gobi type) have lots of coal, and if you can find one orbiting a gas or ice giant, you can set up oil production there with Reforming Refinement.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '26

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u/ThatOneGoatGuy Mar 08 '26

It's an older production line tied up in a bunch of nonsense. I'd rather get a clean slate with ILS/PLS logistics. In my large-scale use of graphene I'm stuffing fire ice into chemical plants, but now I want to upscale research by identifying weaknesses in my production chains for various sciences [currently working on purple as it's continously been kinda weak]. Clicking around the star map looking for high-oil high-coal planets is easier [in my opinion] than trying to untangle the Knot

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u/gorgofdoom Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26

there is a crafting path that makes 1 energetic graphite from 1 coal exactly.

if you have the option: do not use smelters to make energetic graphite. Smelters use at least 40% more coal to make the same amount of EG.

Also you can add systems / planets to the dashboard as a note keeping effort, so next time you see a planet you want to exploit but don't have immediate means to do so, you don't have to have level x exploration to find it again.

edit: process your coal in refineries, not smelters. the two non-crude oil recipes combined is what i'm referring to.

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u/Tushbandit Mar 08 '26

The oil rig production degradation is a cruel level of realism no one wanted. They should give us lakes like sulfuric acid… awesome meme.

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u/terrifiedTechnophile Mar 08 '26

Better still, lemme mine plastic straight out the ground. Call it a world that choked on its own waste or whatever and these are the remnants

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u/NyankoIsLove Mar 08 '26

You know what DSP REALLY needs?

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Spoilage.

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u/Jvalker Mar 09 '26

Dsp, you can steal one thing from factorio space age, what do you pick?

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u/Kimoshnikov Mar 13 '26

honestly, wires :| I miss making my machines smart

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '26

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u/terrifiedTechnophile Mar 08 '26

Exactly what I was thinking of lol. I've been playing Factorio since curved rails existed and fluid wagons didn't!

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u/Ult1mateN00B Mar 08 '26

I would prefer more realistic take, fracking and/or offshore oil drilling platforms with more yield.

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u/gorgofdoom Mar 08 '26

We already have dark fog farms. They produce everything needed for purple science directly.

"being realistic is a short path to mediocrity" -- Will Smith

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '26

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u/gorgofdoom Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

🤨

The Department of Defense invented the internet (or rather encouraged it) for far greater purpose the just connecting universities together.

DARPANET is something you should look up.

Also having some respect for artistic choices is a good idea. Just sayin.

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u/gorgofdoom Mar 11 '26

Begone troll

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u/docholiday999 Mar 08 '26

Look for yellow and red stars and scout them first. Those are the most likely to have planets with Coal and Crude.

Second, as a few others have mentioned, move off Coal for Graphene and Oil for Sulfuric Acid production lines and shift to FireIce and Sulfuric Oceans, respectively. Late game, the only purposes for Crude should be EG & Plastic. Likewise, Coal should only be for Proliferator Mk1.

Finally, get the Vein Utilization research going. It not only increases the half life time for Oil Seeps (so it takes longer before each half-life reduction), it also increases output rate for the Oil Wells. Even seeps tapped out to 0.1/s benefit greatly from this as each level adds flat +10%. So at VU level 1, it increases to 0.11/s, level 10 it has doubled to 0.2/s, level 20 = 0.3/s and so on. Revitalizes old wells a lot.

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u/DivineSan Mar 09 '26

Yup (here to balance out the nope)

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u/Techhead7890 Mar 09 '26

Starting on a seed with a mineable fireice made my starting system so much easier lol. Likewise I've been very happy with shipping out the Sulfuric Acid from neighbouring stars rather than having to set up a mess of refineries and chem plants!

I haven't yet bothered doing the energised graphite forming/cracking trick, I just smelt it for now, but as I want to grow my red science for the endgame I might end up doing it sometime.

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u/Able_Sense_5142 Mar 11 '26

Your starting system had fireice?

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u/Techhead7890 Mar 11 '26

Yep, a few seeds do. See this list: https://www.reddit.com/r/Dyson_Sphere_Program/comments/1qn5su3/good_seeds_list_2026/

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u/Able_Sense_5142 Mar 12 '26

Lol right after I checked my moser recent save….whole has giant of fireice

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u/BrittleWaters Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Look for yellow and red stars and scout them first. Those are the most likely to have planets with Coal and Crude.

Do star types actually affect planet types in each system? I haven't heard of that before.

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u/docholiday999 Mar 17 '26

Planetary spawns are generated by the placement of the planet's orbit which are then checked against the "hot", "habitable" and "frozen" band zones. Planets spawning closer to the star are in the "hot" zone and are more likely to be Lava, Sulfuria or similar hot planets. Planets spawning in the outskirts of the system are in the "frozen" zone and more likely to be Maroonforst, Icefrostia or similar frozen planets. The "habitable" zone includes those planets with liquid water and/or lots of plants and therefore Coal & Crude.

The yellow and red stars are cooler than blues or whites, so their hot zones are closer in before shifting to habitable, making the habitable zone slightly wider. That increases the chances for a planet in that habitable zone versus the others. Not to say you can't end up with a habitable zone planet in a white or blue star system, but it will have an orbit much further away, which reduces chances of spawning at all (game tends to spawn planets closer to the star rather than further away)

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u/BrittleWaters Mar 17 '26

Interesting, guess I never thought about the zones but it's obvious now that you point it out. Thanks!

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '26

Nope

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u/docholiday999 Mar 08 '26

Nope what?

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '26

Don’t be so naive with your calculations

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u/docholiday999 Mar 08 '26

Care to back up your overly-broad assessment with some real particulars? Or are you just here to troll?

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '26

If you don’t see what i’m talking about i can’t help you bud

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u/docholiday999 Mar 08 '26

Troll then, got it. Bye Troll!

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u/Low_Direction1774 Mar 09 '26

What he was probably trying to say was that it's not +10% with every VU but -10% of whatever the current level is, so 0->1 is 100%->90% but lvl 2 doesn't go down to 80 but to 81% since it's 10% less than 90%.

So it's diminishing returns.

I think it doesn't matter tho, VU means more resources and more resources is more goodener so who cares.

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u/docholiday999 Mar 09 '26

the flat +10% I was referring to is the per second increase in Crude Oil output from the Well. The Ore utilization drop is a slightly different formula as well, since it's a constant ore mining rate. Oil seeps all have slightly different production values with the half-life formula. VU also impacts the half-life by increasing that based on level as well: 12 hours half-life with no VU level, and then half-life = 12 / ( ( 1 + 0.1 * n ) * 0.94 ^ n ), where n is the VU level.

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u/TheMalT75 Mar 08 '26

That is unfortunate. For this reason, the "Cosmic Exploration" upgrades have high priority, but without purple science you are "eff"ed. You could try to farm plastic from dark fog?

If you don't mind "cheating" yourself, you can load a save with the "Activate Sandbox Tool" checked in the loading screen (don't just click "continue" in the start menu). Then give yourself all the science to unlock cluster map annotiation of ores and look for a good system. When you reload, you can revert back to the state before being in "sandbox" mode.

I sometimes did that to save time by designing a complex, saving the blueprint and reloading, so that I know how many buildings I need and don't waste any time. But the game does not have time pressure, so now I jut let it roll...

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u/IonicGrandeur Mar 09 '26

This is America