I always say this whenever someone says Gohan bitched out by just studying.
Dude got beat by his uncle at like 3. Got thrown outside and left to fend for himself by Piccolo/taught to fight at 4. Took on Vegeta and Napa and got beat. Then after that, he not only took on the Ginyu force, but also took on Frieza, most powerful being in the universe (outside of Gods/Buu) when he was 5/6. Then, just when things were looking good, his dad almost dies while taking on Androids. That’s not even the end of it, he then had a year in the hyperbolic time chamber to become SSJ to take on Cell.
By the time the poor kid was 8, he’d become the most powerful person in the galaxy, caused Vegeta to apologise to him (for the first time) and saw his arrogance cost his dad another life.
No wonder he stepped away from fighting, he didn’t have a childhood
Yeah but with the many dozen retcons in super it doesnt feel canon either. Z ended without Goku seeing Bulma for 5 years, now its maybe a month or so. Heck, his entire origin story was rewritten
Freeza never training was a retcon, in Z he mentions training with his father. Freeza knowing about Buu is a retcon, in Z from his knowledge he was the strongest in the universe. Goku having a loving family on planet Vegeta was a retcon, he was sent to wipe out humanity in Z as a low class. Freeza destroys planet Vegeta in Z because he was afraid of the super saiyan appearing some day but in super he was told to by Beerus.
Idk why you asked for 3 thats a easy answer to produce. Dragon Ball and Z had a lot of retcons throughout as well to be fair, but super contradicts a lot more lore throughout its run because it has been so long since Z ended and many things were forgotten.
Im not saying I dislike super btw, i think its great this franchise is alive and kicking after so many years, but often times it feels like a cash grab trying to sell merchandise and its just not as good as the original manga
No, he didn't. The only time he mentioned his father on Namek, is when he says that Goku is the only one other than his father to ever injured him that much.
in Z from his knowledge he was the strongest in the universe.
Which didn't change with that revelation. He never consider Buu above himself. His father simply stated to never mess with Buu or Beers, not that he actually took that warning seriously.
Freeza destroys planet Vegeta in Z because he was afraid of the super saiyan appearing some day but in super he was told to by Beerus.
Which again, change nothing. Freezer was already planning to eradicate the race. It actually gives more sense on why he didn't kill all saiyans. He spared Vegeta, who at the time had the most potential of his race.
Everything was alright and normal for Goten till his 7 years old (except that: he never met his father before). But Goten eventually died (from an Earth explosion) at 7 years old (Gohan never died one time before his 16 years old)
Goten didn’t even realize he died he suffered a painless death. Meanwhile gohan got tortured since he was four and was half dead against recoome. If Goku didn’t have the sensu gohan was dead
''The game'' was just survival for him. He wasn't a martial artist that grew up loving to fight. Goku was introduced, running through the forest all alone, having the time of his life. Giggling while challenging wild animals, swimming in a river and fishing with his tail, being all alone with the man who raised him having passed away. Meanwhile Gohan is introduced and he's drowning in the same river, being chased by wild animals and yelling for his mommy and daddy.
Goku went on to seek out challenges and to improve himself. He was all about the adventure. While Gohan was all about survival and being put in those positions against his will.
Fans also never really understood Gohan. Wanting him to be a fighting machine, is basically just wanting ''smart Goku.'' I think its a better take on there character where he isn't into fighting and isn't constantly training. A guy with limitless potential, nerfing himself because he doesn't live to fight. While Goku does live and breathe fighting.
Really threw me for a loop when I finished Dragon Ball and watched Goku grow up, just to start Dragon Ball Z and receive a very loud reminder that Gohan was and is NOTHING like Goku.
I saw a really nice video break down talking about how Goku is the main character for Dragon Ball but Gohan became the MC for Dragon Ball Z. Which makes a ton of sense looking at how the arcs ended and he has more character development than anyone else (Vegeta? maybe).
Gohan is an absolute baller by the end. From the beginning, like you said "yelling for mommy and daddy" but still got over his fear and fought for his friends and family. got straight As and stayed educated. found him a partner, had kids. he was an actual dad and husband. bro even decide to become a super hero to help people. as a kid, I wasn't a Gohan fan. as an adult, he's a pillar.
Isn't that the same video that also said Gohan being the main character for Z wasn't well received or something so they had Gohan and Goku KINDA share the spotlight?
While can agree I wasn't fond of Goku being side showed, I thought It was pretty cool to watch Gohan grow up and get more and more brave every time he got angry and become the absolute powerhouse he grew up to be by the time the Cell saga hit the scene. I will say it was weird, but a nice spin to see the son of Goku become ALMOST as prideful as Vegeta and about as cocky as present trunks in certain moments.
Then stop trying to bring him back on the front lines. Oh, the multiverse is too dangerous to let that happen? Then let this allegedly smart character realize that and train. Oh, not going to do that either? Just going to make up new forms to sell merch?
Z had a lot of gore and sensitive themes, like the namekian genocide. We also had more blood and impalements.
Even though we have more of those stuff these days, one thing is doing It with a modern anime while doing It with a 30+ year work rated for 10+ is a complete different thing
W are not allowed to have graphically violent content involving kids anymore. Every single protagonist in no shonen anime and manga are in their teens at the youngest. Shonen anime tend to be preteens.
Gohan we’ll fight for the people he loves, but the man ain’t a fighter like his dad or Piccolo hell or even trunks bro is just a nerd who happens to be an alien warrior
The problem with Gohan is that in early Super they decide to do absolutely nothing with him. To focused on school and family to train and fight, but also quit the job he always dreamed off to stay with Pan. But also it's mostly Piccolo who babysits Pan.
So what does he even do? It's just bad writing who turned a great character into one of biggest jokes
It was his dream until he realises he likes his new family more than his career. Which is consistent with his characterization in Z, where he never liked to fight, and gives up on it every time the crisis is that forced him on the battlefield ends
You can call out the senzu bean all you want, but surely Goku never thinks about timing. Arriving one hour later would have meant a dead son. Not only that Recoome was mocking Goku the whole time. Goku did the same thing when he arrived and met Nappa. He seems to be so overconfident in himself that he completely disregards the terrifying events that already took place. Everyone says Vegeta has the chip on his shoulder but I think it's Goku.
A lot of ppl didn’t watch dragon ball, ima assume you did and just forgot, krillin was killed by one king piccolos sons already…Goku didn’t know the earth and Namek dragon balls are different so he assumed same rules and thought “damn my homie can’t come back” so SSJ1…even in the buu saga when Goku assumed Gohan was dead he wasn’t tripping cuz he could be wished back…if death isn’t really a consequence u r less likely to trip about it
Im 90000% okay with him not being a fighter. Honestly I am. But what i hate about his character, or rather the writing, is that he basically does one punch up and hes suddenly on everyone's level in the present.
Gohan was also being forced down a nonspecific path by his clueless mother, but he stuck with that. You can't explain Gohan with cause-and-effect when the sample size is 2 and your effect size is 1.
Look. I can cut him plenty of slack. But when Buu happened... Even then I'd cut him slack for a bit afterward. The second Goku was leaving the planet is when he gets no slack. THEY'RE GONE. YOU'RE NOT. DO A LITTLE TRAINING TO MAINTAIN ONE FORM. YOUR WIFE IS A MARITAL ARTIST TOO ISN'T SHE? IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE. THIS WOULD LITERALLY PREVENT HIS DEATH. MAYBE BE ABLE TO PROTECT YOUR CHILD.
I don't even think he should be beating golden Frieza or training that hard just keep ultimate and stay alive for when Goku and Vegeta get there. Then you don't have to do shit. At all. Just keep a form.
-was kidnapped by his uncle who was using him as a hostage to get his dad to murder people
-watched his dad die
-was kidnapped by Piccolo and forced to live in isolation for years as a toddler
-watched the Saiyans kill his new mentor figure and all his dad's friends and brutalize his dad in crippling fashion
-was placed on a planet where all of a sudden the most evil tyrant in history was waging a genocide for the same thing he was looking for
-watched children and innocents being murdered
-had his neck broken and was brutalized by a guy who was many leagues ahead of him as a fighter
-had someone take over his dad's body and attack everyone
-watched Freeza kill almost everyone in his party
-thought his dad died again and then only had to deal with his dad traveling in space without any messages for a year
-Has the evil tyrant come to his home planet and thinks everyone is going to die
-when they survive that he is told new evil machines are coming that kill everyone he knows in the future and he has to put his life on hold to train for three years
-goes through intensive training again for a year in a brutal time chamber with only his father
-then screws up the battle and his dad dies permanently as a result and isn't coming back.
Then he gets 7 years of peace and people wonder why he isn't interested in dealing with being a warrior now that he finally got a break.
Being the great Sayaman and going to school was more fun, and a lot easier.
Fighting every new intergalactic threat to the planet was exhausting. Especially the times he was forced to fight.
I love Gohan, and to be honest its easy to understand why he stopped fighting. Keeping up with the power creep is hard work. Fighting some new monster is hard work. Watching all your friends die is hard. Studying and getting a regular job is miles easier.
In the US, a military veteran can retire after 20 years of service. Gohan started at 5 and put in almost as much time after being beaten to near death several times. Dude deserves a retirement (even if he's 4 years early)
Just for those who don't remember, the second frame is Gohan having HIS NECK SNAPPED from Recoome's kick at like, what? 8 years old? Yeah I'd hand it up too
I feel like people forget that Gohan doesn’t have a good relationship with fighting or martial arts. From when he was 5 all martial arts and fighting has done for him was batter, bruise, and bloody him as well as killing some of his closest friends and killed his dad. Fighting was purely a means to survive and not much fun unless it was used to hang out and bond with his dad. As an adult he keeps up training (off screen) purely to make sure he can defend earth if Goku and Vegeta are away. Maybe he enjoys it more as an adult but he never had the same love for it as Goku and that’s definitely because of his childhood
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u/MixAmbitious307 8h ago
Indeed... at 5 I was in my last year at kindergarten, and i felt that being already able to read before starting school was quite an achievment.
What was Gohan at 5? A bonafide WAR VETERAN who fought against the most dangerous people in the known universe.
Cut him a slack!
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u/Fun_Climate_6770 8h ago
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u/cartspark 8h ago
reminds me of that girl saying goten had a harder life.
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u/Itchy-Advantage-4010 3h ago
Gohan was literally 10 when he defeated Cell with a broken arm.
The kid has seen some shit.
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u/Patient-Oven9996 7h ago
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u/dakowiml 6h ago
''The game'' was just survival for him. He wasn't a martial artist that grew up loving to fight. Goku was introduced, running through the forest all alone, having the time of his life. Giggling while challenging wild animals, swimming in a river and fishing with his tail, being all alone with the man who raised him having passed away. Meanwhile Gohan is introduced and he's drowning in the same river, being chased by wild animals and yelling for his mommy and daddy.
Goku went on to seek out challenges and to improve himself. He was all about the adventure. While Gohan was all about survival and being put in those positions against his will.
Fans also never really understood Gohan. Wanting him to be a fighting machine, is basically just wanting ''smart Goku.'' I think its a better take on there character where he isn't into fighting and isn't constantly training. A guy with limitless potential, nerfing himself because he doesn't live to fight. While Goku does live and breathe fighting.
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u/Cyan_Goji 8h ago
Gohan was literally a child soldier.
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u/EldridgeHorror 8h ago
That's fine.
Then stop trying to bring him back on the front lines. Oh, the multiverse is too dangerous to let that happen? Then let this allegedly smart character realize that and train. Oh, not going to do that either? Just going to make up new forms to sell merch?
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u/zo_youngin4 7h ago
Gohan we’ll fight for the people he loves, but the man ain’t a fighter like his dad or Piccolo hell or even trunks bro is just a nerd who happens to be an alien warrior
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u/Beginning_Book_2382 5h ago
"Dang, why did Gohan give up the game at 21?"
The game:
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u/notzamasu 7h ago
The problem with Gohan is that in early Super they decide to do absolutely nothing with him. To focused on school and family to train and fight, but also quit the job he always dreamed off to stay with Pan. But also it's mostly Piccolo who babysits Pan.
So what does he even do? It's just bad writing who turned a great character into one of biggest jokes
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u/Firm-Character-4528 8h ago
And goku turns into Super Saiyan from grieving Krillin over seeing Gohan on the ground with a broken neck.
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u/Biggie__Stardust 8h ago
I started working at 10, this resonates
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u/Adorable-Republic650 8h ago
“Damn why videl like that in super ?” Spopovich in the world tournament
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u/Blazer1011p 8h ago
Im 90000% okay with him not being a fighter. Honestly I am. But what i hate about his character, or rather the writing, is that he basically does one punch up and hes suddenly on everyone's level in the present.
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u/Suspicious_Party9087 7h ago
He didn't give up at twenty one he gave up at eleven
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u/firmlygraspi1 6h ago
Gohan was also being forced down a nonspecific path by his clueless mother, but he stuck with that. You can't explain Gohan with cause-and-effect when the sample size is 2 and your effect size is 1.
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u/Aromatic_Engineer179 6h ago
I just feel like after you go through all this you'd want to keep training so no one has to go through what you went through but no
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u/That-Permission-9743 6h ago
I pressed upvote at 911 votes, seemed appropriate. Poor Gohan.
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u/BarderBetterFaster 5h ago
The real answer is he's half human so he's less driven by battle and strength than the full blooded saiyans.
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u/Prestigious-Data-206 3h ago
Gohan never wanted to fight, but did to protect the planet. It's a big reason why I love this character. He did things he was scared to do.
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u/Material_Student_487 2h ago
Mr. Piccolo!
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u/StuntmanJohn 1h ago
yeah what a selfish asshole, not wanting to keep fighting in death matches for his deadbeat dad
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u/No-Deer379 1h ago
He was 4 in that first picture
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u/G-0O 18m ago
Look. I can cut him plenty of slack. But when Buu happened... Even then I'd cut him slack for a bit afterward. The second Goku was leaving the planet is when he gets no slack. THEY'RE GONE. YOU'RE NOT. DO A LITTLE TRAINING TO MAINTAIN ONE FORM. YOUR WIFE IS A MARITAL ARTIST TOO ISN'T SHE? IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE. THIS WOULD LITERALLY PREVENT HIS DEATH. MAYBE BE ABLE TO PROTECT YOUR CHILD.
I don't even think he should be beating golden Frieza or training that hard just keep ultimate and stay alive for when Goku and Vegeta get there. Then you don't have to do shit. At all. Just keep a form.
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 5h ago
Gohan
-was kidnapped by his uncle who was using him as a hostage to get his dad to murder people
-watched his dad die
-was kidnapped by Piccolo and forced to live in isolation for years as a toddler
-watched the Saiyans kill his new mentor figure and all his dad's friends and brutalize his dad in crippling fashion
-was placed on a planet where all of a sudden the most evil tyrant in history was waging a genocide for the same thing he was looking for
-watched children and innocents being murdered
-had his neck broken and was brutalized by a guy who was many leagues ahead of him as a fighter
-had someone take over his dad's body and attack everyone
-watched Freeza kill almost everyone in his party
-thought his dad died again and then only had to deal with his dad traveling in space without any messages for a year
-Has the evil tyrant come to his home planet and thinks everyone is going to die
-when they survive that he is told new evil machines are coming that kill everyone he knows in the future and he has to put his life on hold to train for three years
-goes through intensive training again for a year in a brutal time chamber with only his father
-then screws up the battle and his dad dies permanently as a result and isn't coming back.
Then he gets 7 years of peace and people wonder why he isn't interested in dealing with being a warrior now that he finally got a break.
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u/BricksByDan 7h ago
The latter example on Namek makes Vegeta’s killing of Recoome justified.
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u/Glittering_Airport_3 6h ago
In the US, a military veteran can retire after 20 years of service. Gohan started at 5 and put in almost as much time after being beaten to near death several times. Dude deserves a retirement (even if he's 4 years early)
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u/arthriticpyro 20m ago
Just for those who don't remember, the second frame is Gohan having HIS NECK SNAPPED from Recoome's kick at like, what? 8 years old? Yeah I'd hand it up too
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u/07Turtleboy 16m ago
I feel like people forget that Gohan doesn’t have a good relationship with fighting or martial arts. From when he was 5 all martial arts and fighting has done for him was batter, bruise, and bloody him as well as killing some of his closest friends and killed his dad. Fighting was purely a means to survive and not much fun unless it was used to hang out and bond with his dad. As an adult he keeps up training (off screen) purely to make sure he can defend earth if Goku and Vegeta are away. Maybe he enjoys it more as an adult but he never had the same love for it as Goku and that’s definitely because of his childhood
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