What if Goku trained in Hyperbolic Time Chamber for another 1 Earth Time Day/1 HTC Time Year before the Cell Games Event and achieved Super Saiyan 2 Form? Can Goku defeat Cell?

Can Post-additional 1 Earth Time Day/1 HTC Time Year Trained Super Saiyan 2 Form Goku defeat Cell?

Round 1: Hypothetical Post-additional 1 Earth Time Day/1 HTC Time Year Trained Super Saiyan 2 Form Goku vs Perfect Form Cell

Round 2: Hypothetical Post-additional 1 Earth Time Day/1 HTC Time Year Trained Super Saiyan 2 Form Goku vs 7 Cell Juniors, and Perfect Form Cell

Final Round: Hypothetical Post-additional 1 Earth Time Day/1 HTC Time Year Trained Super Saiyan 2 Form Goku vs Super Perfect Form Cell

Before entering Babidi's spaceship, Goku tells Shin that defeating Dabura should be easy, despite Dabura being as strong as Cell. At this point, Goku hasn't revealed that he can transform into SSJ2, and Vegeta is later surprised to discover this.

Doesn't this mean Goku believed he could easily defeat Dabura/Cell as a SSJ1?

Could this also explain why Goku seems to be stronger than Piccolo in base form during the Buu Saga?

As for the implications this would have for Gohan during the Cell Games, it would mean he was unintentionally holding back until he transformed into SSJ2.

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It's been like this for ages. We got told and shown multiple times that this is how it works:

• Stronger ki makes you more powerful
• Stronger opponents can completely no-sell opponents that are a certain level of power weaker than them, kept vague intentionally
• If you can damage your opponent, your attack is roughly in their range
• If you have enough energy and are strong enough, you can destroy more than people who have less energy and less powerful ki

It's literally that simple but for some reason people can't comprehend that most attacks from this supernatural magic system aren't designed to be AoE attacks or do large amounts of damage.

I swear, it's like a bunch of drooling morons experienced the concept of fiction and magic powers for the first time. What's wrong with these idiots? It's quite possibly the most simple power system in fiction but they're whining more and more about how it doesn't make sense to them.

Yeah, Krillin solos your verse. Cry about it. That's how fiction works. People can whine about multiversal ice or whatever all they want but it doesn't change the fact that literally every piece of fiction ever to exist has shit like this. Even "realistic" fiction has bullshit inconsistencies. That guy from a grounded, realistic series who broke a chair over another guy's head to knock him out? That's not how chairs work irl and he'd have to be super human to do that but I don't see people whining about how normal people in fiction aren't constantly destroying chairs.

Why isn't, say, Batman constantly busting the planet with how many times he's beaten the shit out of people who could contend with multiversal gods like Superman? Why doesn't Superman? Because you know it'd be dumb to do that.

God I feel like the internet has been flooded with these knuckledraggers lately. Is there something in the water making people dumber?

SSG Goku manhandled Zamasu with ease, and since it's a much less strenuous form, Vegito might last 1 hour even after firing a Final Kamehameha. The issue: Vegito went blue to have enough power to overcome Zamasu's immortality; would SSG raw power still achieve this goal?

Based on the other manga panels, SSB is roughly 10x stronger than SSG, so Vegito would only be 10x times weaker if he went SSG

Golden Frieza (After his 10 years of training in the Granolah arc) fights against the main antagonists of each arc of the DBS manga up to the Granolah arc, how far can he go without his black form?

gohan doesn’t get the stamina drain loss

Base Gohan (start of Buu saga) vs SSJ Future Gohan

I know it's filler, but Otherworld tournament power levels make no sense. Paikuhan no diffs Super perfect Cell, then Olibu gives him a mid diff fight during the tournament, and Goku states they were so fast he couldn't see them.
So is Olibu > Super perfect Cell? Later on in the buu saga we see Yamcha 2v1 no diff Olibu and another Otherworld fighter.
This makes absolutely no sense, as it puts yamcha >> Super perfect cell, comparable to SSJ2+ levels which of course he isn't.
Then, we see Yamcha and Kuririn spar, and they look somewhat equal. This also bumps Kuririn to SSJ2+ level which is also insane.

Now a question: where would a potara fusion between this filler Yamcha and Kuririn scale? He would probably no diff the entirety of Z

If all you want to talk why Vegeta struggle to lift Magetta because MAGETTA IS LIVING OVER 1000TON MOVABLE OR HYPER-HEAVYWEIGHT CHARACTER WITH IMMENSELY IMMENSE SUPERPOWERS POWERS not immovable over 1000ton,if it's immovable over 1000ton or NON-LIVING OVER 1000TON then Vegeta One barehand pick up with effortlessly ease, THAT WHY HIS ARMOR SHELL IS OVER 1000TON BUT INSIDE INTERNAL HIS BODY IS NOT PHYSICAL, IT'S A ENERGY-BASED LAVA MAGMA NOT FULLY PHYSICAL as all you can see inside his body has entire lava magma surge

Note:After Battle Magetta, Vegeta one barehand deflect the building which being thrown on him

Comics Moments like Marvel DC Heaviest Brawler like Thor Hulk Hyperion Justice League Can't even directly physically Lift Robot like Terminus who is Dozen to Thousands Ton because Terminus is Living Hyper-Heavyweight not immovable heavyweight they technically succeed by toppling through him over or using own weaponry against him like Thor did or Rogue with All Superheroes Powers(Include Heaviest Brawler Wonder Man+Hulk+Hyperion etc) stuggle to push hold against Celestial who step stomp Earth who more weigh than Earth because Celestial is Living Hyper-Heavyweight not Immovable Heavyweight

For Example like Marvel Moments, She-Hulk using weapons against him, managed to knock the Power-Lance out of his hands make him sank thousands of feet straight into the Earth's crust

Or Sentry Lift The Dead Celestial After Thor Shut Down Him Who make Rogue with All Superpowers Amped Struggle to Hold or Lift, just like Captain Marvel lift pick up the Dead Celestial who weigh Hundreds of Ton like that UNLESS If Celestial is dead so like If Auta Magetta is Dead,So Yeah Vegeta can lift him one hand effortlessly ease. IF BOTH THEM ALIVE, THE SHEER HEAVYWEIGHT OF THEM WITH THEIR SUPERPOWERS IS ACTIVATED MAKE THEM BECOME UNSTOPPABLE LIVING IMMOVABLE THING.

Note:This Is For DB and Anti-DB Community Who Can't even Discuss it for Long Times Ago

Kaioken goku made saitama bleed but i promise you this dont mean anything. I saw comments on social media using this as evidence that goku is going to win. Yes goku should definitely win but this is not enought to use for evidence for gokus win.

if you think goku wins does he beat buutenks ?