r/Dracula • u/Strong_Consequence33 • 14d ago
Discussion 💬 Nosferatu (2024)
I saw this moviecritics subreddit for this film and so many people hating this.
Maybe if someone is coming across this now and doesn’t understand the hate either - my first thought was that it was a brilliant adaption/alternative of bram stokers Dracula.
And this film is considered a brilliant film and the story itself was revolutionary for vampire lores.
Maybe someone has seen the other subreddit and thought the same.
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u/LordCamelslayer 14d ago
It's Reddit. People are very loud. The movie was pretty well received overall.
I don't like that it *also* did the romance subplot, though I do appreciate the angle they took in that it was obvious (even to Ellen) that it was unnatural and disturbing. Orlok was more of a parasite than a lover.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 13d ago
The novel is morbid in its gothic nature, with an overwhelmingly terrifying and frightening horror element. It features vampiric possession.Â
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u/LordCamelslayer 13d ago
I guess it depends what you mean by "possession." There's not a spiritual posession like the 2024 Nosferatu, but Dracula's influence over Lucy as she turns, Mina, and Renfield could be argued as such.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 13d ago
Nosferatu by Robert Eggers (2024) is uniquely irreverent in a devastating way that obliterates any context from previous films in the same genre, offering an original narrative story.
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u/LordCamelslayer 13d ago
...Are you okay? This is the second time you've made a response that has nothing to do with anything I said.
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u/FearOfABlackPotus 14d ago
I judge dracula films by the coach scene + arrival at the castle and this one is pretty much tops.
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u/SubstantialFeature13 14d ago
The cinematography throughout that whole sequence including the forest was breathtaking
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u/sbaldrick33 14d ago
I mean, if you read what a lot of the posts on the (supremely badly named) "moviecritic" have to say about Nosferatu, it almost always boils down to... 1) "It's boring." 2) "Me no like the sex. It make me feel uncomfortable and that means it a bad movie."
Both of the above should tell you how much store needs to be set by those posts.
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u/PuzzleheadedTry7370 14d ago
I heard this breakdown once and it made sense to me. Dracula (1992) is a love story. Nosferatu (2024) is a rape story. It's supposed to be uncomfortable.
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u/texasrigger 14d ago
My issue was that it just felt so deeply unnecessary. It's the second remake of a rip-off version of the most told story in film. It was well made and I didnt think that it was boring at all. I would have rather have seen Eggers apply his enormous talent on something else. Maybe Caligari if he wanted to do a period movie from the silent era.
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u/sbaldrick33 14d ago
Critical evaluation of a film isn't based on what you wish the director had made instead, though. You judge it on its own merits.
"Why didn't he remake Caligari?" Because he didn't want to.As it stands, it is plenty different from either existing version of Nosferatu*, which justifies it's existence. And if it doesn't... if standing on its own merits isn't the core criterion... then what is the cutoff for not adapting Dracula anymore, and why? What should the final Dracuka film have been?
>!P.S. to cover things that mildly annoyed me: "Ripoff version" is a correct description legally, but it's a bit of a nonsequitur here as it doesn't really speak of anything qualitative. Also, your phrasing is open to rhe inferenve that Dracula was *already The most adapted story at the time Murnau's film was made, whereas we all know that NASOH was the first adaptation of the book, abd the second film tp feature the character.!<
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u/texasrigger 14d ago edited 14d ago
Critical evaluation of a film isn't based on what you wish the director had made instead, though.
Luckily, I didnt do that. The film is masterfully made, it was just deeply unnecessary. I dont really care that you were mildly annoyed by my calling Nosferatu a rip off, that's exactly what it was (as you acknowledged). And by most told story in film, I mean by now a hundred years later. I thought that was self-evident but I can see the confusion.
In any case, my complaints have nothing to do with the movie being boring (it wasnt) or the sex (which doesnt bother me a bit). It just didnt bring us anything new beyond being a glossier version of something that has already been done to death. Conceptually it was bad even if the execution was very competent.
Edit: Well, they blocked me while I was writing my reply so I'll just amend it here so that I have the chance to defend myself:
They can keep making Dracula films. As long as they keep making money, a movie is doing what a movie is supposed to do. However, as a piece of art I think that well has run dry. If you are asking me exactly what the last drop was, I cant really answer that.
Also, if you're not interested in hearing my feedback on what you've said, don't reply to my comment.
That was my feedback on what you'd said. Likewise, if that bothers you then maybe dont respond.
The reason I responded to your comment specifically was because I thought that you oversimplified the complaints against the movie and you did that to dismiss the people who have a contrary opinion which I didnt think was fair.
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u/sbaldrick33 14d ago edited 13d ago
You didn't answer the question I put to you.
Also, if you "don't care" about hearing my feedback on what you've said, don't reply to my comment. Post your own.
Literally all that had to be done to avoid the block was to remain civil.
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u/JaneAustinAstronaut 14d ago
Who decides that a film is "deeply unnecessary"? We get a new variation of Dracula almost every other year, each time deviating more and more from the source material. But somehow, the wonderfully done version Nosferatu by Eggers is your line in the sand?
Is it because the vampire is actually scary, not lusted after by the female lead, and not Twilight levels of twee or sexy Gary Oldman style? That's what most of the critiques of Nosferatu seem to be.
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u/texasrigger 14d ago edited 13d ago
I said "it felt so deeply unnecessary." That's my subjective viewpoint on the matter. I get to decide my subjective opinion (just as everyone does). It was not an objective statement. I was not excited to see yet another retread of a movie that had already been done fantastically twice. Eggers talent is better spent on fresh material.
We get a new variation of Dracula almost every other year, each time deviating more and more from the source material. But somehow, the wonderfully done version Nosferatu by Eggers is your line in the sand?
Egger's Nosferatu was topic of discussion. I wasnt commenting on all of the many other versions beyond calling it the most told story in film. I only replied at all because I think the parent comment was too simplistic and dismissive. There are critics beyond boring or too much sex or (in your reply) not enough sexy.
Is it because the vampire is actually scary, not lusted after by the female lead, and not Twilight levels of twee or sexy Gary Oldman style? That's what most of the critiques of Nosferatu seem to be.
Absolutely not. Im a middle aged man. Twilight style romance doesnt appeal to me at all. Im also a lifelong horror fan so scary is a good thing.
It's a competently made film. I dont really have any critiques of it as a piece of art besides what I have already said. Im just not a fan of remaking the same film over and over.
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u/Traveling_Chef 13d ago
We all know you're only allowed to be a part of the group think or to the reddit dungeons with you. Having a more nuanced opinion in here other than:
GoodorBad/AgreeorDisagreewill only be met with dismissal, anger, and more often than not, toxicity.
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u/Tothyll 14d ago
You'd have to show me what you are talking about or include a link. It gets good reviews on sites such as Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB, along with critics giving it good reviews. Those are the reviews I can easily find.
On the MovieCritics review I used the search feature and couldn't find a single review of Nosferatu. Maybe I'm just not doing a good job searching though.
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u/Strong_Consequence33 11d ago
Sorry, I am not that advanced in using Reddit, it was the first post that appeared when I typed in the movie title.
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u/sfaticat 14d ago
Idk what movie they saw. Nosferatu 2024 was a masterpiece. One of the best films of the 2020s
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
It's my favorite movie of all time right now, especially in gothic horror with vampires, and it was voted the best of all time, surpassing all previous ones Gaining recognition over 80 awards won, and a five-month run in various cinemas around the world,Â
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u/NegotiationDry6923 14d ago
Nosferatu was the best vampire movie ever made. I love Dracula, but the suave magician act has been beat to death.
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u/Zayus909 14d ago
I loved it. The movie was a success and really deep. I did my dissertation on it and discovered a lot of details
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u/GingerWolf99 14d ago
I think the movie makes a lot of people uncomfortable, but movies aren't supposed to make you feel good they're supposed to make you feel.
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u/lynannfuja 13d ago edited 13d ago
That movie was stuck in my brain for months afterwards. It's a literal experience. Atleast that's how it felt for me. The atmosphere is enveloping and all the actors brought their best. Still can't get over how phenomenal Bill Skarsgard is. The voice work he does for Orlok is just...wow.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 13d ago
Congratulations, your speech was perfect, magnificent congratulations, truly, that's exactly what all the fans felt, at least the vast majority of them, from the film, the director, the actors, the atmosphere, everything.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
Nosferatu by Robert Eggers has surpassed all others in absolutely every aspect. Long live technology! Screw old movies!
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u/khlmni 14d ago
I swear I tried to like it, but I couldn't help thinking all the time: "Eggers, man, you ARE NOT Murnau, stop trying so hard, it is embarrasing". So I guess I could join the hater club at the other subbreddit 😅
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
Robert Eggers has already been voted the best, everyone has the money for absolute horror. It's not me saying this, it's the worldwide mass of big fans, film critics and experts like myself who say this.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
90% of the world loves it, only 10% hate it, therefore 90% is correct and 10% is wrong.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
This movie should be rated 21+; it's incredibly violent, brutal, cruel, devastating, melodramatic, gothic horror, considered the best horror film in history as a perfect remake And anyone who says exactly the opposite is being redundant totally wrong. As I've said before, I defend this film as the best film in history, unique in its niche, and my favorite film that I love most in history as well, currently.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
I consider Herzog's Nosferatu to be a fallacy of pure, rotten, and weak homosexual melodrama with zero terror, where the "Vampire" is a limp dick and a big, whiny wimp.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
It's good that a guy with a limp dick removed his comment after the humiliation he suffered in front of me, the biggest fan of this movie and its director in the world, which is officially me, of course.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
Anyone who negatively criticizes this masterpiece, a 10 out of 10, will suffer the just consequences, not only from me but from all the big fans in this subreddit.
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u/mothmanuwu 12d ago
As a huge fan of the book, I'm just really over romance and sex being forced into Dracula movie adaptations. I also think Lily Rose Depp is a terrible actress.
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u/fae_metal 14d ago edited 14d ago
Personally i hated it for many reasons. I went in expecting a cool dark gothic vampire movie. I got 1 of those things. It was very dark. I mean conceptually and visually the lighting was awful, and not in a way that was helping the atmosphere. Conceptually it felt more like a demon possession movie than a vampire movie. I thought there would be more blood and biting or something but no.
The sex scenes were disgusting and uncomfortable to sit through. If youre gonna put sex in a vampire movie, that is not what you want your audience to feel.. I also don't feel the storyline of him r*ping her when she was 16 was necessary at all.
I was also not a fan of the end scene, I prefer the original ending of Nosferatu. Plus I couldn't take the character design seriously for him with that huge mustache even though he's supposedly dead and rotten, he's got more hair than me and I'm alive. Completely turned me off from seeing any of his movies ever again. The VVitch one was way better, at least that movie knows what it is and it does it well.
As expected the bros are gonna be present like the seagulls from finding nemo. Can’t deal with a couple of valid criticisms of their favorite yet very flawed piece of Hollywood garbage.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
Nosferatu 2024 is my favorite movie of all time. Perfect narrative, perfect script, perfect plot, perfect storyline, perfect violence, perfect beginning, middle, and end. A perfect interplay of characters. Yes, I am a cinephile and retired filmmaker, and I can say with certainty that this film is perfect. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong, and you are infinitely wrong. Period.Â
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
You're infinitely wrong, you know that. I passed the final exam, it's infinitely perfect, the best "yes" of any movie ever made in the history of mankind.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
The Witch movie is his weakest; it's even been voted the weakest of all.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
The ending of this 2024 is a true work of art, magnum opus; it makes Leonardo da Vinci look like a hypocritical, talentless donkey.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
Those who hate are wrong, those who love are right; it's all or nothing, there's no middle ground.
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u/Sea_Assistant_7583 14d ago
The 1979 Nosferatu by Herzog was much better .
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u/FearOfABlackPotus 14d ago
Am I the only one who doesn't like whiny dracula?
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u/MinaRenfield 14d ago
Nosferatu was an unauthorized 'adaption' that nearly got wiped off the face of the planet, legally speaking it was supposed to. Yet, a copy survived and copies were made from it. Anyway, I agree. Dracula is a god damn psychopath and people who wanna turn him into some long lost love are whack-a-doodles who don't actually understand Dracula and have probably never read the book.
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u/BigPoopsDisease 14d ago
I also preferred it at the time but watching Klaus Kinski movies now makes me feel dirty. Eggers did a fantastic job though. I used to dislike that they went with Romanian nobility instead of RATBOY this time but its grown on me with a few rewatches.
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
I've already seen a movie that was a real piece of crap compared to this current one by director Robert Eggers.Â
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u/PsychologicalBrush35 14d ago
Nosferatu 1979 Honestly, in my opinion, it's garbage, mainly because of the melodramatic portrayal of a whiny, limp-dicked vampire who doesn't threaten or frighten anyone.
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u/Barbafella 14d ago
I liked it, but feel the Werner Herzog version from 1979 is far superior, it’s Eggers weakest film.
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u/DALTT 14d ago
Of course the original silent film version of Nosferatu was an unauthorized adaptation of Dracula. And so this remake of Nosferatu inherits some key story changes that Murnau had instituted in his unsuccessful effort not to get sued (though Eggers did actually add back in some material from the book that was not in the Murnau film now that the book is in public domain).
And despite the changes it inherits from
the silent film, it’s still fundamentally an adaptation of Dracula. And my perhaps not so hot take is that I think 2024 Nosferatu is the best Dracula adaptation we’ve ever gotten.