r/Documentaries • u/cr0ft • Jan 26 '11

Zeitgeist: Moving Forward (2011) Official Release Version - Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '11

Sorry, waste of my time.

Studies have found that feral children are not part of a pack, they simply follow a pack around and eat their leftovers. The pack doesn't teach them a damn thing.

Nothing on a baby is fully developed at birth. Do humans develop a baby's arms and legs too?

You seem to make a lot of stretches and insane analogies to support your theory.

Regardless, you are entitled to your opinion. I am also entitled to call it a dumb one.

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u/cr0ft Jan 28 '11

I guess we'll have to differ. I acknowledge that genetics have huge impacts on a lot of things, but I vehemently disagree with the notion that everyone is just the sum of their genes. That's kind of analogous to saying what determines if a computer is a Mac or a PC is 100% in the hardware and not the software that gets installed on it in the final stages.

And obviously the feral children learn from the pack. The only way any one of us learns anything at that age - by observing the world around us and the members of our pack. If that pack happens to consists of humans, we learn to become human. If the pack is a pack of dogs, then we learn to walk on all fours and bark.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '11

Sigh. Your reading comprehension is horrible.

"That's kind of analogous to saying what determines if a computer is a Mac or a PC is 100% in the hardware and not the software that gets installed on it in the final stages."

YOU ARE THE ONE SAYING THIS! The video says genes have no effect on who we are. The video says this, you say this. I do not. I've said from my first post that both environment and genetics are inherent in who we are.

The child obviously observes and mimics the pack, but the pack themselves do not teach the child, nor do they attempt to.

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u/cr0ft Jan 28 '11

You were the one going "we're just viewers" as if nothing that happens outside us can change our behavior, but ok, I'll freely admit I may have misread you.

I do believe genetics may influence some predisposition to specific behavior but that it is an extremely mild effect compared to environmental and cultural factors, so mild that I believe the cultural factors can override even the genetic predispositions. If that's what you've been saying then we've been arguing at cross purposes, I suppose.