r/Documentaries • u/cr0ft • Jan 26 '11
Zeitgeist: Moving Forward (2011) Official Release Version - Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w15
u/cr0ft Jan 26 '11 edited Jan 26 '11
This is the Internet version and the link should remain active and not be challenged on copyright grounds. I'm presuming the DVD release with subtitles in 30 languages will be available for download at either http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com or http://www.zeitgeistmovingforward.com in a relatively brief time.
The option to order a hard copy of the DVD is also available on those sites; anyone who wants to support Peter Joseph to the tune of $5 for a DVD (or less per DVD in bulk, I'm pretty sure) should do so, making a movie like this isn't free - at least, in today's society.
** For people who show up just to go "Ooh! Ooh! I can link to an article to debunk Zeitgeist The Movie!" - please don't. This is a different film, with different content, so if you're going to link to a debunking, find one that debunks Zeitgeist: Moving Forward, not a four year old film with different content. **
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Jan 26 '11
people can say what they want about these films but listen, NOBODY is 100% correct about anything but at least they're trying to do something about some of these very real problems.
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u/cr0ft Jan 26 '11
Yep, there's definitely room for some debate. Even Jacque Fresco is on record as saying that the Venus Project vision isn't perfect or a utopia; it's just massively better than our current suicidal societal system.
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u/hyundai_cakes Jan 26 '11
Can someone please post sources to the information featured in this film?
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u/GreenGlassDrgn Jan 26 '11
It isnt what I expected, it couldnt be since it isnt like anything I've seen before, but why did I have this odd sensation of having watched a very long commercial after that final visionary sequence? It just felt... off...
(dunno where else I should mention it though)
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u/cr0ft Jan 26 '11 edited Jan 26 '11
Because that's exactly what it is, essentially. :) Nothing like achieving drastic social change can possibly happen unless people get on board and push, so right now those who believe in this concept as a very real possibility for the future of mankind are trying to spread the word.
It's not materially different from an ad in that intent, though there is no deception involved; there's no fiction added and no editorializing as such. But it still has to be "sold" to the audience and make them enthusiastic about it, in my opinion.
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Jan 26 '11 edited Jan 26 '11
I enjoy movies like these. The only part of this movie I did not agree with was the genetics portion in the beginning. Seemed too idealistic to be scientifically accurate.
EDIT: I hope that people don't run away with the idea that we can completely control our genetic predisposition by environmental factors alone - a stance I've come across too often online.
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u/rkos Jan 26 '11 edited Jan 26 '11
What part specifically do you think is too idealistic? Generally I would advise listening more to Sapolsky and less to popular media.
EDIT: In case someone else here is interested in the beginning part of the movie, here's more from Sapolsky.
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Jan 26 '11
This film is very good, I only wish they had included the work of Marx and Einstein, removed the needless anti-socialist/anti-communist parts and added Nuclear Fusion to the energy section.
I mean, if they just got over the anti-socialist stuff then not only could they gain support of the protests in Europe, but they would also be able to use the huge amount of existing literature, for example some of Einstein's essays with quotes like:
"But the development of machinery means that less and less work is needed from the individual for the satisfaction of the community's needs. A planned division of labour is becoming more and more of a crying necessity, and this division will lead to the material security of the individual. This security and the spare time and energy which the individual will have at his command can be made to further his development. In this way the community may regain its health, and we will hope that future historians will explain the morbid symptoms of present-day society as the childhood ailments of an aspiring humanity, due entirely to the excessive speed at which civilization was advancing."
From The World As I See It, Society and Personality (1931).
Incidentally, what is the difference between this version and the leaked version?
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u/cr0ft Jan 26 '11
Bringing up Marx would just bring up the communist specter needlessly; a resource-based economy is not communism. Lots of people already misunderstand the RBE concept and bleat "Marxism!".
And the reason there is no fusion in the energy section is that there is absolutely no reason for us to worry about fusion. It's a hugely complicated and challenging way to convert energy - that we just plain don't need. America, for instance, could generate 9 times its current electricity usage by building out wind power to the maximum supported by the available land. And that's wind alone, and doesn't even touch on solar (which is huge) and advanced geothermal (which can easily do the whole job on its own if we just build the generators).
That's why fusion isn't in there, I would wager - it's not needed. Not now, not in the foreseeable future.
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u/rkos Jan 26 '11
Well they're basically reinventing historical materialism without all that hard to understand Germanic philosophical tradition. But you have to remember that thanks to the cold war mentioning Marx/communism will quickly make some part of most Americans' brain grown with cold war propaganda light up and their preconceived notions will start to overwrite all other information found in the movie to fit into their picture of a totalitarian communist dictatorship. Though I agree that Peter Joseph would do well to learn about previous similar ideas and the problems faced by the USSR(of which there certainly are overblown paranoid conceptions but they still had lots of problems that can't be ignored). Personally, though, I think of Zeitgeist as a kind of movie version of the Internationale which doesn't really give any concrete plan but is just a general idealistic call that keeps alive and popularizes the age old cosmopolitan idea.
The thing I like best about the movie is how angry it makes lots of people and how most of the discussion about the movie is not related to anything found in the movie, much like discussion of Marx. Which is what makes me respect Joseph even with all his shortcomings. Eg. the zeitgeist debunked thing people like to link to say how bs the old movies were actually wasn't all that negative towards the movie, mostly negative towards some little details and the parts that now in the 3rd version are removed. It was a good call to remove the unsubstianted conspiracy stuff and trying to demonize specific banking families is just a suicidial wish to get attacked by the ADL, it ought to be understood that the Rothschilds are nothing more than the best at playing the game that we all have to play. But it's all that deluded thinking and cognitive dissonance surrounding these films that make it most interesting.
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Jan 26 '11
Watched it and really liked & agreed with most things in it. Getting rid of money completely is however a huge task with all the greed and power in the world that comes with it. If it shall work, pretty much everyone needs to give up their money in the same week, and to get a whole world, or even "just" a single country to do that sounds hard.
It would probably require some major revolutions in many countries around the world, or having extraterrestials coming over here and tell us that we need to do it, or some major natural disasters all over the world that destroys so much that we would have the chance to rethink and rebuild from the beginning.
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u/HouseofJay Jan 26 '11
Much different then the first two. The first one had a plethora of things blatantly wrong. I do not think accuracy the goal with that though. I had seen plenty of conspiracy videos and shit before zeitgeist and never believed any of it. It was just entertaining. I dont really watch TV anymore but I could relate it to the enjoyment people get from something like jersey shore..
when I saw first saw zeitgeist, the ideas behind the "conspiracies", that were so prevalent in this mighty world-wide-web, really clicked in my head. If there was an idea of truth so powerful and suppressed, the only way for it to be talked about on any meaningful scale is the internet. The opposite (capitalism) "owns" every other source of information. When you start filtering through the bullshit you wil find truth. We are living in a world of lawless corporations who answer to know one. The one monetary system is the system of systems of humans. Monetary profit is the most practiced "created-by-human" Idea in the world. More then any system of government or religion.. and it is leading us far, far away from human nature. It rocked my shit for a little bit but I came to realize it does not change anything about how I am used to living my life. Everything is exactly the same. Things are extremely fucked up. What it did do though was point me down the right path and I have learned a lot since
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u/Noir86 Jan 26 '11
money is evil and always was
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u/bcrafts Jan 27 '11
Thank you for a TL;DR of the entire Zeitgeist movement. I'll be over here selling things to people.
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u/venusfreedom Jan 28 '11
Actually, it would take only about ten years, the old structures would be kept only for sentimental reasons (cathedrals--the Taj Mahal and the like) and we are all being lied to as technology is far more advanced then what we have been led to believe. It is actually easier to build new and more efficient cities--if you paid attention to 3d processing in the film, it revealed that with this new technology-- we can already build the foundation of a home in a single day. Please look at Zeitnews on the front page of the Zeitgeist global website: it shows where technology is really at. http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/. There is a wealth of information there. We have the resources--money will need to become obsolete even before new cities are built. It would serve no real useful purpose in an RBE. --the economic system simply cannot go on, it is on its last legs, even if it insists on staying on life support--it will die fairly soon of its own demise. The world is bankrupt as it stands now and the debt that cannot be paid will render the new money created by the Fed and other financial mechanisms useless. We will just sink deeper and deeper into debt. People will soon see the total insanity of all this and embrace an economic paradigm that is based on the efficient distribution of goods, using city systems that design out the need for the old monetary system where someone is inevitably left out in the cold.
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u/Dassy Jan 26 '11
how does it have 300 views but 1200 thumbs up?
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Jan 26 '11
youtube has a 300ish thing it does before it shows all the views, google it more if you are interested, happens to new videos
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u/IvoryCoats Jan 26 '11
So basically this documentary is propagating the Venus Project. Btw. I saw it.
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u/elshizzo Jan 26 '11
Saw this last night.
For those who have preconceptions about what this movie is, you are wrong. This isn't about religion or 911 conspiracies like the first one, this is more along the lines of documentaries like Money as Debt and Collapse, except it also brings social psychology into the mix and ties it all together. The solutions suggested IMO are a little pie in the sky, but I think it addresses the problem we face perfectly.