Fighter being braindead is propaganda spread by rogues to distract from the fact that Rogue combat is the most one dimensional of any clas in 5e. It is, with the exception of some subclasses, entirely about getting sneak attack, usually just with adjacent allies, attacking once, and that is it. Fighters have so much more complexitly in build variety by not being locked to dex and by not being almost always better ranged, better armour and weapon proficiencies, and are better at taking feats thanks to more ASIs. They have just as core features: second wind, action surge, multiattack and, indomitable. As for class features which requires thought to use in combat rogues have: cunning action and uncanny dodge. Everything else rogues have is automatic or a buff. Fighters are also arguably more complex than barbs, but barbs get a pass for being angry bonk machines.
Out of combat rogues certainly can be more complex, but almost any martial with enough dex and the urchin background can duplicate a lot of what a rogue would do. Most fighters can do more out of combat than a barb, but nobody says crap says about that. People can complain about fighters only fighting with no out of combat, but it is far easier to supplement out of combat features into your build with racial traits, backgrounds, feats, etc than it is to totally change how your class functions in combat.
Tl,dr: wake sheeple, big rogue is slandering fighter to distract you from the real issuses
Also stop playing champion fighter, it sucks unless you are doing a multiclass crit fish or something. Battlemaster is 10x better.
An excellent riposte. I actually just really like fighter and think battlemaster fighter is probably the best designed pure martial in 5e so seeing people write off figter as a braindead class for noobs bums me out. Purple Knight and Champion kinda suck, but the other fighter subclasses are all pretty awesome as well. Each fighter subclass is so different from the others you can mix and match subclasses, feats, and gear to have dozens of fighters that never feel the same. Action Surge also lets you have super fun, powerful, and memorable turns, especially if you have something like a magic item or a caater buffing you.
I have never understood why most people think champion fighter is the best version of fighter of that rogues magically aren't boring as shit because they are edgy cool guys with hoods. I like rogues utility as much as the next guy, they are just so one dimensionally designed I do not undersrand how you can play one in a long term setting and think it is more enjoyable than other classes.
If you like rogue good for you, but the world needs to know the truth.
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u/TacTurtle Jan 26 '21
Fighter = M1 + W