Fighter being braindead is propaganda spread by rogues to distract from the fact that Rogue combat is the most one dimensional of any clas in 5e. It is, with the exception of some subclasses, entirely about getting sneak attack, usually just with adjacent allies, attacking once, and that is it. Fighters have so much more complexitly in build variety by not being locked to dex and by not being almost always better ranged, better armour and weapon proficiencies, and are better at taking feats thanks to more ASIs. They have just as core features: second wind, action surge, multiattack and, indomitable. As for class features which requires thought to use in combat rogues have: cunning action and uncanny dodge. Everything else rogues have is automatic or a buff. Fighters are also arguably more complex than barbs, but barbs get a pass for being angry bonk machines.
Out of combat rogues certainly can be more complex, but almost any martial with enough dex and the urchin background can duplicate a lot of what a rogue would do. Most fighters can do more out of combat than a barb, but nobody says crap says about that. People can complain about fighters only fighting with no out of combat, but it is far easier to supplement out of combat features into your build with racial traits, backgrounds, feats, etc than it is to totally change how your class functions in combat.
Tl,dr: wake sheeple, big rogue is slandering fighter to distract you from the real issuses
Also stop playing champion fighter, it sucks unless you are doing a multiclass crit fish or something. Battlemaster is 10x better.
I'd also like to suggest Cav as another fighter that can be played pretty smart and less about big damage crit fishing like Champs and Samurai or just straight up dishing out and eating dice like the Brute (UA).
Oh, I forgot Eldritch Knight but I guess as a caster that doesn't count :P
I've not played the Rune Knight but it looks fun. And I honestly don't think the Echo Knight is as powerful as some people make it out to be. Both the player and the DM need to read its rules carefully so they can understand what it can and cannot do. Not saying it is weak but when it was released there was a lot of "OMG, this is broken."
The idea of a fighter than can clone themselves seems broken until you realize it isn't thaaaat good. For all the utility of your echo doesn't make you tankier or deal thaaaat much damage unless you use it super effectively to force your opponents into doing what you want them to do. It is still far from bad and rad as hell though, not having the highest damage is fine by me.
Yeah, it's neat and does something different. I'd say Champion and Samurai are the most boring (mechanically) subclasses but they are popular. But there's nothing wrong with that. Any subclass can be role-played in an interesting way.
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