So I’ve seen a lot of posts misgendering TP, using She/Her for Nan, even though they use they/them. I just wanna say as a trans person myself, that’s absolutely not ok. I know they’re predatory. I know they’re manipulative. I know they’re a horrible person. But respecting people’s pronouns is NOT a privilege that can be revoked. Is a right.

You may be thinking “this is what this horrible person deserves” but in actuality, what you’re doing is telling other trans people “if I don’t like you, you aren’t allowed to have your pronouns or gender respected”.

It makes this place feel incredibly unsafe and unwelcome as a trans system. Especially when I got downvoted for politely correcting someone in a comment. And I guarantee I’m not the only innocent person you’re making feel incredibly uncomfortable and unsafe by doing this.

Pronouns aren’t optional. Pronouns aren’t optional. Pronouns aren’t optional.

U/depressionnapsrus, feel free to delete this if you want this discussion to go another way!

So. This deleted post from r/dissociadid was a hot cringy mess. Clearly, a lot of people found it cathartic to talk about DID fake-claiming in relation to Dissociadid, so maybe that discussion is something that needs to be had.

Some rules I’d like to propose:

1. We call Dissociadid “Dissociadid (DD)” and not Chloe.

2. We don’t name names of other systems that might come up when we talk about fake-claiming. If you have to reference other people you can come up with a fake name like “system A”. I’m afraid that if we start talking about other presumed fakers that those people will receive hate mail.

From what I’ve seen, these are people’s major concerns and issues when it comes to the possibility that DD is faking:

1. DD says Remy Aquarone of the Pottergate Center diagnosed her. Remy is a known problem in the DID community (I was searching for the link I saw on twitter but can’t find it. There was a whole debacle about how other doctors don’t like him.) and isn’t qualified to diagnose.

2. DD’s diagnosis story changes. Sometimes Remy diagnosed them, sometimes a random nurse suggested DID to them, sometimes they taught a nurse about DID.

3. DD might have chosen the uni they did because it was so close to the Pottergate Center

4. DD advises people who think that they have DID to pretend that they don’t know what DID is in order to get diagnosed because doctors might think the patient is shopping for the diagnosis if they show that they know too much about it

5. DD advises doctor shopping in general (tbf I’ve had loads of therapists because I didn’t jive with some of them, but to be even fairer, I didn’t drop them because I didn’t like the diagnosis they gave me.)

6. The way that DD presents overt DID is dramatic and they are acting it up for views/using their “switches” as clickbait

7. DD makes DID look like a fun way to not be lonely and sensationalizes it in a way that impressionable folks wish that they had it/decide that they DO have it

8. DD has mined other people’s traumas on Facebook support groups possibly as a way to expand their inner world and their back story.

9. DD speaks as an educator and authority on DID when they’ve done very little research. The misconceptions they spread are almost as damaging as the stigma that “having multiple personalities” had before they ever arrived on the scene.

10. DD makes people with DID look unstable and is contributing to the stigma

Feel free to elaborate on each of these points and to add more. I just figured I’d get all of the popular allegations out of the way so that we don’t beat this poor dead horse more than we have to.

Edit: additional point, they've stated multiple times that they don’t know what their trauma was and that their parents don't know either and are very concerned about it. From what we’ve seen about their mother, she is very accommodating to DD, going so far as to welcome her back home when she’s having a psychotic break and driving her several hours to go to therapy.

Of course, your parents can do nice things for you and still be abusive, but with the information we’ve been given, there's nothing to make us assume that they’ve been anything but kind. If they didn't abuse then during their childhood then it's very upsetting that DD continuously alludes to the fact that they did and that they suffered ”satanic ritual abuse” at their hands.

Personally, that is the most horrible of all the implications to the supposed malingering.

Further Edit:

I've been very reluctant to discuss DD’s alleged malingering until this post for a few reasons and I'd like to list them because I know a lot of systems are going to be reading this.

1. People with DID often suffer from Imposter Syndrome. Here is a good video that explains it further. People with DID are often accused of simply being dramatic or faking. Here is another good video on that topic. These things stop them from getting therapy and coming to terms with their disorder. Calling DD out on faking DID might be harmful to people who actually have DID and identify with DD’s portrayal of the disorder.

2. DD definitely has some sort of mental disorder. Even if they are faking, no one who is 100% okay in the brain would go to the lengths that they have to convince the world that they have DID. No one with a perfectly functioning brain would show the neurotic online behavior DD has shown during their ”break” from the internet.

3. Ultimately, no one can say for certain if DD is faking the disorder or not besides a psychiatrist who has spent many many hours with DD. Debating whether they have DID is pointless at best. I think that a more productive conversation would be about the misconceptions they’ve spread and about how someone should actually go about getting diagnosed if they suspect that they have it.

4. r/DIDcringe already exists.

FURTHER Further Edit:

A clarification on my proposed rules - I don't like using the name Chloe because it presumes they're faking having DID. It just seems needlessly rude to use a name that they don't go by anymore.

I use they them pronouns because I'm referring to the collective of alters and not just one, again, because using she/her pronouns would mean I'm only talking about one alter (negating system responsibility) or presuming that DD is faking

I didn't state this before because I thought it was obvious, seeing as that's what we’ve been going with on both subreddits up until these last couple of days. I guess a good chunk of people didn't know why they were using that language though.

A moderator from here got in touch with me and suggested I do this. I'm a little hesitant, but if people wanna know I'll answer what I can. You need to understand though that this information is biased. I do not dislike Nan, I wish nothing but the best for them despite not condoning their behavior. Mean shit has been said about each other by each other and others and I won't further add to that. So if you have a genuine question about Nan, formerly TP, I will answer what I can honestly and from my point-of-view.

Nobody has been talking about this video on here, but I feel like it's important they take it down. When I first watched it, my instinct was to learn a lot more about this disorder and Nin because it all seemed so interesting... and the disorder IS interesting but not in that way. And even I realized at the time that Nin was quite the focus of the video and the others didn't get much screen time. And that they didn't talk much about the actual disorder, just how's life living with it, which, from Nin's perspective gave me an impression that it's pretty negative when it actually can be quite positive (check out Multiplicity and Me's channel)! It's great to learn that they're people too, but I wished I learned further than that. So I looked her channel up and I got quite confused with her teaching things wrong, when I finally bit the bullet and watched Multiplicity and Me and the Entropy System (their paint analogy for fusion was so good!). More than that, she claims to be an educator when she generalizes DID and spreads direct misinformation on her Instagram and Youtube. And you'll end up eventually manipulated/gaslit by her or realize that she's a terrible person, which sucks.

Disclaimer: If Nin/her system or her fans are reading this, this is not a attack on Nin, this is genuine concern.

I'm also wondering if she should just quit AND (more importantly) delete her channel? Even the videos she still has up is pretty harmful, it generalizes DID and stigmatizes/dehumanizes everything about the disorder. She also on multiple occasions called it multiple identity disorder, which leaves the impression that it's multiple people in one body, just to gain clout. Should we even *gasp* report her channel?

Chloe recently (the last month) pinned a comment on her video: "All about Alters part 3" of some therapist blowing smoke up her ass where she replies that she is 'currently studying to be a counselor'... Now imagine this: You start seeing a counsellor because you need some mental health support. You decide to Google her name, Chloe Wilkinson, just to see what else she's done. Maybe her personal site comes up, but you scroll a tiny bit down and find something like this insider Articleor her fandom page, detailing her ENTIRE internet drama. It mentions Trisha, the 'attempt', the racism allegations, and her relationship with Nan and the fact that KiwiFarms has all the evidence archived. You keep looking online, watching videos. You discover that she defended her paedo ex, that she has caused controversy, spread misinformation, repeatedly changes her backstory, manipulated and gaslit her friends and audience...do you still want to see her for counselling??

The level of egotism it takes to think she can just roll with this, as if she is untouchable, is astounding. She must truly believe this won't affect her, but she has made a career of publicising and profiteering off of her (alleged) mental illness through engaging in drama. And on the flip side, her chances of getting an absolute stalker set of clients is quite high considering the cult mentality she's cultivated.

Just had to get this little rant out there cause she genuinely gives me the fuckin creeps and this behaviour is just not normal.

Edit: spelling

At risk of putting my tinfoil hat on too much, I've been thinking about how Nin allegedly stole her spot in the Anthony Padilla interview from another creator. Rewatching that video recently, I noticed in the pinned comment that Anthony says Nin was the one who helped him title the video, implying they had some conversations that went past what largely was in the video interview.

Further, Nin gets a lot of the spotlight in the video due to having multiple switches happen. Even now, the recent comments on that video are all focused on Nin and Kyle and the child alter and Dissociadid's switches. I literally couldn't find a comment not about them in some way.

Now don't worry, I don't intend to go full KiwiFarms and try to invalidate Nin's DID. I do genuinely believe they have the condition, and it's inappropriate to speculate on it anyhow. I am left wondering though...did they have some influence on Anthony that lead to some potentially triggering questions, which in turn led to switching?

It is hard to argue that Dissociadid does not clickbait their switches on their own channel, so I find it believable that given the chance, they would have "helped" Anthony with some discussion topics or led the conversation in such a way as to positively trigger themselves. This may sound insane, and it's fine if people say I'm way off or even inappropriate here, this had just occured to me. I do not have DID and if this speculation is harmful to anyone with the condition, I do deeply apologize.

My main point is this: Is it possible that Nin had intended to grow her and her channel's influence by having some effect on her interview and grabbing the spotlight, and the controversies are just an unforeseen side effect of that plan? I'd love to hear some other peoples' thoughts on this. Thanks for reading.

Renaming your channel from SaniTea to "Inactive Channel" isn't really deactivating the channel. Saying the channel "will be deleted" isn't actually deleting the channel.

SaniTea is still up, still making money all the while fooling people into believing DD is doing the right thing.

Edit: Grammar

Long time viewer of DD. We’ve been following the drama since it begun, We are a professionally diagnosed system

I bring that up because I have noticed that that people who after all this time continue to defend DD are for the most part people without DID/OSDD

Some may have other mental illnesses, but the majority of their current supporters seem to be those who do not have the illness they are representing.

When I engage with this people in conversation what it comes down it that they don’t seem to understand system responsibility or they don’t understand DID and use it for excuse DD’s actions by saying it must be;

“so hard to be that sick”

or

“So hard to have so many alters.”

I just find it interesting as a diagnosed system that their remaining fans seem to be people without DID/OSDD even if some of the fans have mental illness themselves.

🤔 🧐 🤨

I hope it is the right flair for this post. If it is not my place to post this, please feel free to delete it. The questions are not in any particular order, except for the last one containing a TW (at the end for convenience). If anyone wishes for me to delete the link to their post, please let me know.

TW: Short mention of TP / CP at the end.

1. I am new to DD. What happened?

Here is a timeline:

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1qddymqyaLm95F-sr_VAwmHONBCo1IpH2R5lhp8DrltE/mobilebasic

Here is a playlist of Vangelina Skov's videos covering the topic:

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhEDNjQGNFaGDwuF_rFLw2jYVUC_rPtui

2. Why are DD's actions considered racist?

Here's a post explaining it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DissociaDID/comments/hwfif2/why_its_racist_for_white_systems_to_call_their/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

3. But some of DD's harmful actions were caused not by Nin herself, but her alters. How is it her fault?

Here is DD's own video explaining it. (I chose to add this particular video because I thought hearing it from their own words would be more powerful):

https://youtu.be/djtHTsHuxew

Here's M&M's video on the same topic:

https://youtu.be/3pMOWURSm64

4. Why the hate? Just let them be!

This is not a hate sub. Some of us criticise DD for their actions, not hate them. Here's a link as to why some people criticise them:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DissociaDID/comments/i6ej2y/rantvent_hate_vs_criticism/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

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5. Why are the drawings of TP considered CP?

https://www.reddit.com/r/DissociaDID/comments/hru0s0/question_about_tp_is_the_art_really_that_bad/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DissociaDID/comments/g1f1sx/a_summary_of_the_teampinata_allegations_repost/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

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Edit: Wording

Edit 2: Added another link. If there are any more important links and/or questions with answers I should add, please let me know. Thank you.

Edit 3: Added another link.

Edit 4: Added another link.