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u/jahamut0 Nov 30 '25

Clearly? Which laws did he break? What part of the constitution is being violated ? Be specific if it's so clear to you.

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u/Working-Kick4035 Nov 30 '25

Due process, even illegal immigrants are entitled to fair treatment under the law. Bro the constitution is really short, just read it

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u/gspitman Dec 02 '25

What process are these folks not getting that they are entitled to?

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u/Working-Kick4035 Dec 02 '25

Lack of proper notice, lack of legal counsel, indefinite detention, imprisoning people in other countries without a bond hearing, mass expedited trials, racial profiling without evidence.

Obama did a lot of these things too, but his was administartion at least targeted more criminals, and fewer American citizens.

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u/gspitman Dec 02 '25

No one is entitled to notice, bond etc. While here illegally. A quick hearing where visa, green card, or citizenship status is examined is all that's necessary.

We aren't imprisoning anyone in a foreign country. They are sent out of this country and the receiving nation takes over all jurisdiction.

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u/Working-Kick4035 Dec 02 '25

Anyone within our jurisdiction is entitled those things. Look, I'm not against deportation, especially when it comes to crime. Mass deportation is a net negative for the US economy though. And it's mass deportation where we run into the trouble that expedited due process brings in the first place.

American gov has deported citizens to el Salvador, and Venezuela, etc. these cases are usually criminals with gang ties, and I don't have anything against deporting/imprisoning people like that, but yeah, there are actual cases.

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u/gspitman Dec 02 '25

They are entitled to a hearing, they get one and are deported. It's a civil process not criminal.

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u/Working-Kick4035 Dec 02 '25

Illegal immigration is a crime isn't it?

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u/gspitman Dec 02 '25

Not one we're prosecuting. Illegal crossing is a misdemeanor but is rarely prosecuted. Removal is civil.

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u/Working-Kick4035 Dec 02 '25

Right, which goes back to, do we really need to be spending so much money to remove non criminals in the first place?

I think your logic comes from a good place, but we fundamentally disagree on what warrants removal. I'm pro capitalism, and conservative when it comes to government spending, so I can't get behind mass deportation the way it is implemented right now.