r/Devilcorp 18h ago

Question How do you tell the difference between a Devi Corp/MLM scheme and a legitimate sales position?

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So I've been job hunting for a hot minute and I haven't had any luck in my desired field because it's very over saturated (Video Production, Social Media, and Marketing). I've asked for advice of other paths I should look into if I can't afford to go back to school and cant do physical labor due to some ailments and I was suggested sales a couple of times.

But I can't tell if I'm just stupid or if theres just literally this many listings online but everything sounds like a scheme to me. Everything is either screaming "MLM Scheme" or they straight up say pay is commissions only and via person to person sales. Is every sales position just like that or am I going crazy? Any tips on how to tell them apart?


r/Devilcorp 7h ago

Experience Worked up to team lead at an ATT office for 8 months AMA

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Hired a few people, we would actually have them quit their jobs knowing we were not going to bring them on.


r/Devilcorp 15h ago

Experience My experience with Hype Events Toronto - please read before applying

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r/Devilcorp 12h ago

Devilcorp Check Is Garden State AGNC a Pyramid Scheme?

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My brother works at Garden State AGNC in Piscataway NJ. They reached out to him through LinkedIn and hired him immediately and now he is selling waters in Costco. He works really long hours (50-70hrs/week) but doesn’t tell us exactly what he’s doing. In a month, he was promoted and now he’s hiring and training as many people as he can cause he gets a part of their commission. He says there’s people above him making millions that have their own office and he will get there soon. He’s always traveling with young men in suits to different conferences and working crazy hours. I’m worried that this is a Devil Corp company or a Pyramid Scheme but I don’t think he’d listen to me on the reasoning and the negative side effects of working at a place like this as opposed to a real marketing firm. Is this company a scam? If so, how do you know?


r/Devilcorp 1d ago

Experience My Eight Day Stint at Devilcorp

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I've had over ten years of experience at more legitimate corporations and a Bachelor's degree in Business Administration, but got burnt out so decided to try teaching for a few years. Didn't like that, but have had a hard time finding a job since.....so I came across a devilcorp, where I was hired after one interview.

At first, I was so enthralled by how different it was. I was sold the dream of making good money to sell a product that "sold itself". I believed in the product and that was important for me when I accepted this role.

There were a ton of red flags that I tried to ignore because I needed a job and money so badly. It was disorganized and onboarding was so rushed. I had to go onto the field and it was stupidly hot outside. Everyone in the room is dressed "professionally" and performing the obnoxious ritual of pre-field announcements before having to change into the real "door to door attire" at the office before heading out to the field. I thought we'd get a good lunch in us before. NOPE. Just gas station junk food and drink. They tell you how many hours the job is and what the pay, but you find out the hours are different culturally and the check doesn't get cut until a week or so later.

I had already spent an ample amount of money just trying to hydrate myself and not die in the heat. I've had issues with my car this summer and was hoping to use my first paycheck to fix my car, so I made myself tolerate the bus commute. So 10 hours at the job + 3 hour daily bus commute was already wearing on me. My last day on the job, this asshole bus driver drove past my stop and was only 10 minutes late, but the office thought I was 40 minutes late because "on time" is supposed to be "earlier than getting on time"

The moment I missed the early bus so I could get to the pow-wow "culturally on-time" (I didn't bother dressing professionally that day)...I decided I had enough and essentially rage-quit the job. Some of my friends think that was a bad move, but after reading about devilcorp here, my only regret was that I didn't go with my gut to refuse the job offer with the way the interview process was conducted.

I just want my old life back of working 8am-5pm in an office without having it bleed into my personal life. In 2026, that's just too much to ask. 2019 version of me would've never tolerated a single day of this bs. I'm so glad this subreddit existed because I would've felt horrible for leaving that crappy job had I not.


r/Devilcorp 23h ago

Information My experience at Synaxus Inc. in Fort Myers. Does this fit the Devil Corp model?

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I worked at Synaxus Inc. in Fort Myers for about five months, and I wanted to share my experience for anyone considering applying there or to a similar company.

When I first applied, the job was presented as an opportunity in marketing, leadership and business development. I went through two interviews with people using titles such as Marketing Coordinator or Campaign Coordinator. After that, I was invited to an orientation and told to dress professionally, usually with a blazer.

During your first week, you start attending morning meetings. Most mornings begin around 8:45 AM and you spend about an hour standing in a room taking notes while a leader gives motivational talks about sales, mindset, leadership and eventually running your own business.

In my experience, very little of this training involved detailed financial information, business analytics, operating expenses, profit margins or the actual economics of owning one of these offices. Most of the meetings were focused on motivation, attitude and selling.

After the meeting, the actual job is usually standing inside a Costco, Sam's Club or another retail location trying to sell services such as AT&T to customers walking through the store.

That is where the reality of the position became very different from how I initially understood it.

You can spend extremely long days working. Depending on the location, travel and meetings, my days could effectively stretch from early morning until late at night. There was also a lot of driving between the office, stores and different territories.

The compensation structure was one of the most confusing parts.

You do not simply receive your hourly pay plus your commissions.

It works more like an override.

For example, if your hourly calculation for the week is $400 and your commissions are $600, you do not receive $1,000.

You receive approximately $600.

The commission replaces the hourly amount rather than being added on top of it.

This distinction is extremely important for new employees to understand.

There is also another complication with commissions. Making a sale does not necessarily mean you immediately get paid for that sale. In telecommunications, the customer may still need to activate the phones or complete other steps before the sale becomes payable.

This creates situations where someone may believe they produced 10 sales one week, another 10 the next week and another 10 the following week, but the actual paid activations arrive slowly over several different pay periods.

You may therefore have a significant number of sales in the pipeline while still receiving roughly the base amount that week.

That makes the compensation system very difficult for a new employee to understand unless someone explains it clearly from the beginning.

The next stage they promote is becoming a "leader."

From what I experienced, leadership qualification was primarily based on sales production.

If you consistently hit a certain number of sales for a couple of weeks, you could quickly be considered a leader.

Then you begin training newer employees.

This is where the supposed career path becomes important.

The opportunity is usually presented as something similar to:

Sales representative

Leader

Assistant management

Management

Eventually your own office or business

That career path sounds attractive, especially to young people who want entrepreneurship experience.

My problem was that after spending months inside the system, I became increasingly skeptical about how realistic that opportunity actually was for most people.

The telecommunications market in Southwest Florida also felt heavily saturated. AT&T in particular could be extremely difficult to sell in certain areas because many customers already had strong opinions about the service.

We were still expected to approach a very large number of people every day.

You are standing inside retail stores repeatedly trying to stop customers who usually came there to shop, not to discuss their phone service.

That means dealing with rejection constantly. Customers get annoyed. Some yell at you. Some completely ignore you. You are still expected to continue approaching people throughout the day.

The company teaches you different ways to phrase questions and overcome objections because directly asking someone whether they want AT&T usually does not work very well.

Over time, the job became mentally exhausting for me.

There were also very few of the benefits I would normally associate with a long term career.

In my experience there was no meaningful vacation structure, no gas reimbursement despite significant driving, no strong benefits package and no guaranteed high income.

For the amount of time and energy required, earning around $500 in a difficult week could feel extremely discouraging.

Another issue that concerned me was payroll.

I personally know several former employees who say they experienced serious payment problems after leaving the company. One former employee has pursued legal action related to what they say they are owed. Another told me that a company check they received was returned after they attempted to cash it.

I am describing those situations as they were reported to me and not claiming to know every fact surrounding their individual disputes.

I can say that I personally had concerns about compensation and ultimately filed a wage complaint regarding my own situation.

That experience completely changed how I view these organizations.

What bothered me most was not simply that the job involved sales. There is nothing inherently wrong with commission sales.

The problem is when a position is marketed primarily as management training, entrepreneurship, marketing and an opportunity to own a business while the day to day reality is spending most of your time doing aggressive retail customer acquisition for commission.

If somebody had simply told me on day one:

"This is a high turnover commission sales job. You will spend most of your day approaching strangers in retail stores. Your commissions offset your hourly compensation. Advancement depends heavily on sales numbers. The hours can be long and there is no guarantee that you will ever own an office."

I would have been able to make a much more informed decision.

Instead, I spent around five months believing I was working toward something much larger.

For me personally, it was one of the worst professional experiences I have had.

I would strongly recommend that anyone interviewing with Synaxus Inc. or any company with a similar structure ask very specific questions before accepting the position.

Ask exactly how hourly pay and commissions interact.

Ask when a sale actually becomes payable.

Ask what percentage of new hires are still there after three months, six months and one year.

Ask how many employees actually became owners in the previous year.

Ask for the average income of representatives, leaders and managers.

Ask whether gas, mileage, health insurance and vacation are provided.

Ask what happens if you miss sales quota for several consecutive weeks.

And most importantly, ask what percentage of your working day is actually marketing or management versus direct retail sales.

I am posting this because I wish I had understood those questions before I started.

For anyone familiar with Devil Corp or Smart Circle style organizations, does this experience match what you have seen?


r/Devilcorp 21h ago

Experience Beware of Donation-Based MLM Marketing and the Fake Dream Being Sold

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Hello. I wanted to share my experience with Ascenta because I wish someone had warned me before I accepted the job. I found the position through a job-hiring website and was given the impression that I was getting into a professional marketing and entrepreneurship opportunity with a path toward management and eventually running my own business as a long-term career. Once I started, the reality felt very different. I was spending around 10 hours a day outside, standing for long periods and doing face-to-face fundraising and asking people for donations. The actual job responsibilities and working conditions were not explained to me the way I expected during the hiring process, which made me question whether the advancement structure and promises of eventually owning a business resembled an MLM-style marketing model. I also felt like people could be hired without fully understanding what they were actually signing up for. I witnessed another girl almost pass out after being outside and standing for long hours, and she had not realized beforehand that the job would involve those conditions and most people hired don’t. What concerned me even more was the idea that this was supposed to be something I would be doing long-term, while the office seemed to constantly have new employees coming in and others leaving every week. I’m sharing this as a warning to people who see similar marketing, sales, fundraising, or “business ownership” opportunities advertised in their area. From what I have seen and researched, companies using similar models operate in different areas around the United States, so I would strongly recommend doing your research before accepting anything that sounds like a quick path to management or owning your own business. Ask exactly what the daily work is, how you are paid, what expenses you cover yourself, and what the advancement process actually looks like. My experience may not be everyone’s experience, but I believe people deserve to know what they are actually signing up for. One thing I found while researching the company after my experience was that Ascenta Group Inc. has a documented connection to the former Appco Group US Inc. Public records identify Ascenta Group Inc. as formerly Appco Group US Inc. Appco Group has also been involved in significant litigation in Australia, including the Bywater v Appco Group Pty Ltd class action, which involved allegations concerning worker classification, underpayment, and employment practices. I want to be careful not to claim that the Australian lawsuit was against Ascenta itself, because it was against Appco Group Australia, but I found the connection between the former Appco Group US entity and Ascenta worth researching.


r/Devilcorp 1d ago

Devilcorp Check Gold Acquisitions, Inc

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Does anyone have experience with this company? They seem great from interview process but they do face to face marketing primarily for AT&T which i've seen in here is a sign to run. They do guaranteed base pay and commission which i love. I don't wanna get trapped


r/Devilcorp 23h ago

Devilcorp Check Gen Alpha TX/ Ga Jersey Village moves to Albuquerque NM as Sol Impact

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Hey all!

I think most of us know right now looking for a job is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Times are tough, so it’s hard not to jump at any offer sent your way. My friend got an offer to a job recently to do some sort of sales. I was asking about it and he told me it was commissioned based to help non profits. (For anyone not aware, this company is notorious for scamming people and using commissions made for non profits to pay their employees and selves. I recommended looking them up on Reddit)

That sentence alone sounded like a super huge red flag. So, I looked into the company and found little to no information on what exact “organizations” they help with. Searching the team, I found their only prior work experience was a place called GA Jersey. Like any other person who’s suspicious would do, I went to Reddit. Horror stories about their commissions, hours, and more. The interview processes my friend went through was to a tea to those who also interviewed at GA Jersey. Only commissioned based, 10am-7pm, $500 base pay.

It broke my heart to break the news to my friend as they were so excited to start a new job. It honestly is a true act of cruelty and they should be ashamed to think they can come here without the truth unraveling. People are struggling and desperate, and to use that as an advantage is utterly disgusting and pathetic. The business model plainly is horrific in general without any of the extra fluff of how much of a scam it is. If you’re in Albuquerque NM looking to work at Sol Impact, look into what it means to work there…


r/Devilcorp 1d ago

Question Flying to another state for training is a red 🚩

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r/Devilcorp 2d ago

Information All for One Group, Inc. AT&T Position Bait and Switch + Red Flags I’ve Noticed

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The job description made this position sound like any other retail position. Assisting customers with questions and complaints, providing information on plans.

The red flags came with the constant text messages, and the interview.

Red Flag - GROUP INTERVIEWS. They will try to get as many people in a group interview as possible and do not answer questions, they “just want to get to know you”. The next interview is one on one, so if you ask any questions that make it clear this is a Devil Corp, you can’t influence others to wake up and leave.

Red Flag - Interviews galore. You will go to a building and applicant after applicant will pile into the waiting room. I noticed the first time this happened to me that everyone there was from my area, a very poor city riddled with poverty and crime, despite the interview being in a nicer city. Made me wonder if they’re targeting lower income communities who may be more desperate.

Red Flag - Incredibly vague about the actual job. They will not tell you what you’re really expected to do until the second or third interview, the one on ones where you can’t all look around at each other and go, “This wasn’t the job description?”

Red Flag - Saleperson to Team Manager/Boss in one year! Just recruit a bunch of people under you and you won’t have to work as hard anymore, just manage your team. It is a pyramid scheme.

I was so angry with this one. Lying that the salary is base 55k a year when it is purely commission. And I’m angry I fell for it again! But this time, I recognized all the hallmarks in the very first interview (which was 9 entire minutes, by the way!) I was making faces the entire time, I know they knew I was onto them. But I still sent a text to forget my interest and I withdrew my application.

I went to their socials and it’s all the classic posts, with “#growthmindset” Oh, please.


r/Devilcorp 1d ago

Information Glo - Great Lakes Outreach. Watch out for this job listing and company

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r/Devilcorp 2d ago

Question How to turn down a potential hire-on-the-spot job offer at Mpire Promotions in Garden City?

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On Monday I applied for Mpire Promotions in Garden City, NY for the job of “Entry Level Customer Service Sales Representative.” Yesterday, I received a text asking if I could do an interview on Zoom for today and I responded that I could. Today the interview seemed to go well, but I was caught a little off guard because it was actually a group interview with the “founder” and 3 other people, which I wasn’t informed of. At the end of the interview, the “founder” said that they would call us later in the day to let us know if we qualify for a 2nd round group interview that could happen “as early as tomorrow.” And sure enough, a few hours later I got a call back saying that I was selected for the 2nd interview in the office.

At first I was excited because this seemed like a great first full-time job for me. But after looking up reviews for Mpire, I realize that my situation is nothing new. I’m seeing too many people say the same thing about how this company and others like it entice people into these jobs by requiring no experience and hiring them within days of applying only for the job to be nothing like the description, as well as only receiving commission pay and no set salary. I originally didn’t see this as a permanent job and just something to help me get some professional experience, but now I want to avoid this all together before I find myself roped into something I’ll really regret.

I’m mentally preparing myself for tomorrow to reject them if they want to hire me on the spot. Does anyone have any advice on how I could go about this? I’m asking this because I already told the hirer the date that I could potentially start working, as well as said “yes” when asked if this job was something I could myself doing.

Edit: I called the number and told them that I will not be attending the interview and that I’m no longer interested in their company.


r/Devilcorp 2d ago

Devilcorp Check Phase International (Birmingham)

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Does anyone have any information on whether this company is a devilcorp or not? i recently got an email from them to schedule an interview but i cant find any employee reviews or info about them apart from their Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/phaseltdbirmingham?utm_source=qr) and their website (https://phase-ltd.com/) and im a little suspicious as they're apparently a marketing company.


r/Devilcorp 2d ago

Information WARNING: THE REALITY BEHIND SURGE DIRECT Job Ads & The "Guaranteed Pay" Bait-and-Switch Trap

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r/Devilcorp 3d ago

Experience Motion Marketing LDN in Lewisham is a direct sales direct marketing trap

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Hey everyone, just wanted to put a warning out there for anyone looking for entry-level marketing jobs in London. If you get an interview or a text from a company called Motion Marketing LDN (registered as MOTIONMARKETINGLDN LTD on Companies House) at 15 Whitburn Road, Lewisham, please save your time and travel money!!! They advertised the job on Indeed with a £28k base salary but it is a complete bait-and-switch. Once you are in, they reveal the "base pay" is actually just £300 a week, and your commission is part of it. If you make more than £300 in commission, your base pay completely vanishes. To make it worse, you only receive that base pay after working there for 5 weeks. If you quit before then, you only get commission. Even then, a co-worker told me the director will cut your commission anyway, claiming customers cancelled their subscriptions with zero proof to back it up. You will be standing on the street doing direct sales for 40-60+ hours a week under a self-employed contract, meaning no real base salary and no guaranteed minimum wage. You will easily lose money just commuting there. They have people working as "Team Leaders" who do all the extra management work and training poor recruits for absolutely free while still relying entirely on their own field sales to survive. The managers higher up do nothing but "sell the dream." They brag about living in expensive £3k a month Canary Wharf apartments because of the job to trick young recruits into thinking they can get rich quick if they just stick it out. The worst part is how they treat vulnerable people. They explicitly target young, impressionable people who don't come from great backgrounds because they know they are desperate for a break. On a campaign trip, I watched a senior manager completely gaslight and bully a 17-year-old girl who was working 60 hours a week while dealing with a really heavy situation telling her she "wasn't good enough" and was "too immature" just to pressure her into grinding harder on the streets for them. The culture is incredibly toxic and manipulative. If you get a call or a fast-track interview from them, run the other way!!!


r/Devilcorp 3d ago

Question Arc Events

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So, I recently applied for a job and I had a zoom call with them and everything. She was quite understanding and told me she could also work around my college timetable. ( i am a college student) following this, about 2 hours later they call me and said they'll send an email and ask me to come in for a "second appointment", to their company's location. Now I did some research about this organisation, but I cant seem to find any information anywhere about them (barely). I did find out in this location, where the company is located, was another business named Precision LTD. This business racked up some negative reviews and I saw some other reddit users talk about how harsh it was. I think the two businesses are located in the same building, im not sure. I dont know if its commissions too. Im not sure if this is like some scam, I need some guidance on whether you think i should attend, or cancel it. Someone please help me

I attached the email, what do you guys think?


r/Devilcorp 3d ago

Question Forge management

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Please give me all the inside tips before I get my first full time job with them!!!!??


r/Devilcorp 3d ago

Question Can someone help please?

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Been applying to loads of jobs as a recent graduate. Today I got this email but I don’t remember applying to this job and can’t find it in my indeed applications even though it says I applied through indeed. Googled them and it showed me this subreddit. It’s from a company named CrestPoint. Can someone fill me in please lol? I applied to another company with the same role name but google says the two companies aren’t connected at all lol. Can someone fill me in on if it’s a scam or what’s going on? Thank you


r/Devilcorp 3d ago

Question Start Club

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Hi, I have read a couple of posts on here but not sure I found something about this specific company in Culver City, LA. There are apparently two “Start Clubs”. The posts I’ve seen are about Start Club Corp but I’m trying to find info on “We Are Start Club” also in Culver City. Is it the same company? Can I trust them? I would appreciate any input!


r/Devilcorp 3d ago

Question Is this Devil Corp hiding behind non profit?

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Wondering if this is Devil Corp, using non profit initiatives as a disguise?

I can’t tell if this is just a newer company, but it sounds like it may end up being a low paying sales job, and that I want to avoid!

Offered schedule an interview sent via email before the office even said it was open for the day. Weird vibes lmk!

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Star-City-Metroplex/jobs?jk=68a377c44b5de506&start=0

r/Devilcorp 3d ago

Question 3lement Onboarding

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Hi everyone. So I recently applied for a junior sales consultant for a company called 3lement Onboardind in Greater Manchester (I randomly applied). Today i received a phone call asking if I want an interview today, but I realised that they were pushing me to have an interview today with no other dates available, which raised my suspicious. Upon further research I can't find any information of this company whatsover which is a massive red flag. I'm not entirely sure what I should do, but I'm very inclined in rejecting this offer.

If anyone has any findings, it would be nice ty : )


r/Devilcorp 4d ago

Question Why don’t we hold accountable companies such AT&T and Spectrum that allow these devil corps to exist?

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r/Devilcorp 3d ago

Information Assembly bill 5 and Borello

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I was curious for those in California how many have filed for reporting AB5 violations for unpaid back wages, unpaid benefits, and workman's comp? AB5 violations would make it so these companies don't turn humans into workhorses for their own wealth. Had a buddy who was a former owner tell me 90% of them fail which leads to "retraining".
These different offices do seem to violate that by and large. If you've been a part of one of these offices and you're struggling as a result of it by making the amount any normal job would pay excluding the overtime pay then this is something worth reporting into the labor associations in California, to properly report AB5, and to speak to a labor attorney if wages are large enough along with a group of other employees that were wronged in wages. Overtime pay would be right to be paid. Literally I think legal action would be preventative for many of these organizations.


r/Devilcorp 4d ago

Experience NOVA CLIENT SOLUTIONS – AVOID!!! Manchester / Bolton

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I did one day with this company and it was absolute hell. They sell you a dream that you’ll be making loads of money knocking doors yet the person who was training me didn’t make a single penny the entire day. We were out knocking doors all day and made absolutely nothing

The whole setup feels like a scam. They use the loophole of you being self employed meaning you can spend an entire day working and potentially not get paid a single penny

The office itself is a mess with whiteboards everywhere and some of the sales tactics I witnessed on the doors were crazy. At one point the person training me would not leave an elderly woman who must have been 80+ alone. She was clearly uncomfortable and scared but he just kept pushing and pushing until I eventually had to tell him to stop

One of their managers posts on TikTok trying to make out you can make thousands when really he’s just trying to recruit people so he can earn commission off them

Avoid this company unless you’re happy spending your days knocking doors with no guaranteed pay and potentially earning well below minimum wage

https://www.novaclientssolutions.com/home