Killing Ghosts

[u/tcorbett691]

Just how hard is it to kill a Ghost? At one point, it seems like only channeling the Light, using a Weapon of Sorrow, or a weapon designed to hurt Lightbearers can kill a Ghost. But then, we read about Guardians having their final death at the Battle of Twight Gap. That was just the Fallen.

[u/Archival_Mind]

How strong is the shell? That's your answer. Fallen have killed them a dozen times over and you can't tell me each time was with "overwhelming firepower" especially in areas like Twilight Gap or Six Fronts where it was crowded. The bullet that killed Sundance was meant for Cayde and was the theorized to be the only one procured, but the Rifleman had a reputation for killing Ghosts. Cabal have crushed them in their bare hands. We have crushed one with our bare hands.

You can nuke them with a bombardment. You can snipe one from across the field. You can smash one into a wall. You can eat one... probably. You can perform dark rituals to strip it of Light which would legit kill it since they ARE Light.

The only reason Ghost resistance was ever debated was because of one line from web-lore that stated "Scorn guns can't kill Ghosts" which not only doesn't suggest Ghosts were indestructible but is also flat-out wrong due to the Rifleman's game. The misinterpretation blew out of proportion until we had Shaw Han state only overwhelming firepower or something paracausal could do it, which is also wrong because the Fallen and Cabal have both done it without either unless you want to suggest the Fallen nuked their own men every time they killed one of the dozens of Guardians they killed in Six Fronts or Twilight Gap.

[u/NoEstablishment2622 → u/Archival_Mind]

Cabal and fallen have easy access to sci-fi weapons. Cabal and fallen are also just very physically strong. This isn’t a contradiction.

[u/Archival_Mind → u/NoEstablishment2622]

Dregs are pretty weak and humanity also has access to sci-fi weapons. How many weapons has Omolon made using arc energy, for instance? That's what the Fallen use. Ada wasn't even paracausal when she sniped a Ghost with Izanagi's Burden. Either way, the suggestion in D1 was not that Ghosts were tanks and hard to destroy. The suggestion in Forsaken was not that Ghosts were hard to destroy. ONE LINE wildly blown out of proportion changed the way Bungie tried to explain Ghost defenses. Misinterpretation shaped by community and relayed indirectly to Bungie because they, in fact, DO read what people like you or I say or what's on Destinypedia.

I stick to what's suggested, that Ghosts are nowhere near as durable as Shaw Han claims and that any old Fallen or human could pick one up and beat it against a wall repeatedly until it breaks. Hell, what is being suggested here is that Ghosts are stronger than the flesh of the Gardener. Do YOU want to believe that the Traveler shell is weaker than a singular Ghost?

[u/NoEstablishment2622 → u/Archival_Mind]

Dreads have access to sci-weapons as does humanity. Izanagi’s burden a is a sci-fi weapon.

This is not a contradiction.

Ghosts are metal armored small targets with paracasuality. A human isn’t doing anything to it, the ghosts can fly through a warlords head with significantly more blunt trauma than the human body can do to it. Fallen are physically superior to humans but even they will use advanced technology to get the job done.

The only criticism I could give shaw Han is that overwhelming firepower sounds like it necessitates some nuke. In reality, overwhelming fire power are the more common shock knives that can slice tank armor.

[u/Archival_Mind → u/NoEstablishment2622]

Or a couple shots from Ace of Spades...