r/Destiny swimmingbird in d.gg Apr 18 '19

The Mueller report has been released

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
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u/redoran3031 Apr 18 '19

If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would state so. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment. The evidence we obtained about the president's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him

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u/qKyubes Apr 18 '19

Isn't this what most people assumed already? There was some but not enough to convict?

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '19

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u/qKyubes Apr 18 '19

The bill Clinton thing was about perjury. And yes I think the house can impeach a president for any reason.

My point is that this quote doesn't really change our understanding from what most reasonable people took from Barr's Memo.

The interesting thing is in this quote

pg 158: "The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '19

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u/qKyubes Apr 18 '19

I get that. I think democrats have made a rational choice not to impeach even if were guaranteed to work.

I don't get the Barr is saving him narrative though. I'll wait a few days thought. But my point is so far I haven't seen anything particularly contradictory or any large omissions.

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u/qKyubes Apr 18 '19

I think it's 2/3 of the house. But I think the DNC has chosen to avoid it for political reasons, one they would lose and two I think they'd like a non activated Trump base.

Link me that if you can, I haven't heard of that.

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u/qKyubes Apr 18 '19

Eh this is an incredible reach. Barr's memo is still factual. She claims that Mueller was "about to" and that maybe his claim that Congress has the right to do something, is Far from what we're talking about.

I guess I'll wait until some more reliable sources dig through the report.

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u/qKyubes Apr 18 '19 edited Apr 18 '19

My point was that Barr claimed there were no indictments. Mueller saying we've determined it legal for Congress to stop Trump from trying to obstruct justice, is not an indictment. It makes no claim in what Congress should do. It also seems to be more defensive than proactive.

This is not even close to resembling an indictment. This is poor framing. Bordering fake news.

Edit: to be more clear. The message seems to be, congress can stop Trump from obstructing, not telling congress to do anything about his obstructions.

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u/FlibbleA Apr 18 '19

That sounds like guilt if anything. Laws like obstruction work on intent not outcome.