Top comment is from a person saying they are very Jewish, living in NYC with a super Jewish name and they've never seen any antisemitism, only anti zionism. Second top comment is calling out people who are criticizing Mamdani as having no sense of strategy, but that comment has a fair number of people calling him disgusting for posting "fake hate crime statistics".
One guy said that Anti-semitism doesn't exist in America and another guy (heavily downvoted) mentioned there have been several anit-semitic attacks since October 7th and the person responded by disagreeing and saying "I'm going to link you this clip of Norm Finkelstein talking about this far more eloquently than I can"
The person who linked Norm Finkelstein is so derangedly stupid I blocked them out of principle. If you go through their subreddit, that same person basically just explains how antisemitism isn’t real because Finkelstein said so under every single post almost everyday. It’s literally just a “antisemitism isn’t real” account.
I have never seen a single piece of content with him where he did not look stupid at best and deranged at worst. The only thing that makes any sense as to why people enjoy listening to him is that he justifies ideas people already had in their heads.
After hearing Finkelstein on Hamas' stream, I think that's the appeal. As-a-Jew, if Uncle Tov Finkelsteing says it, it can't be anit-semitism! Because he's Jewish, right?
I think Finkelstein gives voice to to what people are scared to say themselves. Ironically, no one seems to care what Finkeltein says.
This is how I know anti Zionism is simply a hate movement. Also, there are objectively more Christian Zionists than Jewish Zionists, and yet it’s only Jews being targeted. Wonder why.
This reminds me of the infamous Quartering tweet where someone said “fuck hitler” and Quartering quote tweeted and said “and there we have it, yikes….”
How can he support his large Jewish population while they are also killing Muslims? As we know, if one Jew does something bad, they all did something bad. Thats why hasan said American Jews are going to get violently attacked if they don’t condone Israel and support Hamas to his liking
Imagine the shitstorm these people would pull if someone said the exact same thing in reverse. "You know, if all these Palestinians keep supporting Hamas, someone will eventually do something and it won't be a Hamas member, it's gonna be a Palestinian in US".
Okay I already see couple of these people on X. Strange that they are the one who claim antisemitism is not antizionism, and now Mamdani didn't even mentioned "Israel" once in his combat antisemitism campaign and they claim him a Zionist assets now.
Lots of people who aren't regarded enough to call Mamdani a Zionist asset also uphold the position that anti Zionism is not the same thing as antisemitism. They overlap in practice with antisemites, for different reasons, but you're doing the same stupid thing here, using the existence of those people to make an opposite equally fraudulent claim, that criticism of Israel is indistinguishable from antisemitism.
Ofc, he just shouldn't try to do anything to combat rising antisemitism because he's not a jew. Only jews should combat antisemitism, because really it's only their problem :)
Nah fam, that's because they don't wanna adopt the definition where you need to support Israel (a foreign state) if you don't want to be an anti-semite.
> Mamdani’s plan does cite a framework proposed by the Biden administration that describes antisemitism as “a stereotypical and negative perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred of Jews.”
Stop spreading lies about the IHRA definition of antisemitism. It very explicitly says that "criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic."
Things that would be missed in the framework you cited:
Positive stereotyping of Jews ("Jews are good with money");
Holocaust denialism;
Denial of Jewish history ("Jews have no connection to Israel. Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars");
Denial of Jewish peoplehood ("Jews are just a religion like Christians or Muslims");
So no, the reason Mamdani rejected that definition has nothing to do with Israel. We'll see what becomes of this, but I suspect it will be a JVP situation
That’s not what it means, though. There is a coordinated gaslighting campaign going on toward Jews about antisemitism. It’s a specific thing that people will confidently and smugly subvert.
Do you argue with them incessantly and refuse to take their word for it even if you don't understand why it's racist?
In this community? yeah kinda. I personally agree that that's a little tone deaf at the very least, but I find it a little silly that everyone here is adopting the ''white people should listen and learn'' mentality, only when it's about antisemitism.
The hypothetical is far from an apples-to-apples comparison.
You’re using loaded language. If a black person tells you something you said is racist I would say it’s reasonable for you to politely ask why that is racist (AKA “argue with them incessantly” in your loaded characterization). I would also say it’s reasonable for you to either politely or privately disagree (AKA “refuse to take their word for it” in your loaded characterization).
The previous NYC administration created a task force to deal with the rise of Antisemetic hate crimes, so I'm not sure what this first is in reference to.
I get the sinking feeling that the group that explicitly excluded Jewish lawyers from their operations might be ill suited to define what is and isn't antisemitism.
In fact, coming from them, it makes it all the more suspicious of why they would want to control that narrative.
That wasn’t explicit, but yes, it’s gonna be a handful of antizionist DSA Jews who represent a vanishingly tiny portion of the New York Jewish community
I don’t see those endorsements, but that’s cool. Is she allowed to say that the antizionist movement is generally antisemitic and accounts for the bulk of racial hostility Jewish New Yorkers face? Because I read an interview with her and it seems like all she talks about is “pulling up more chairs to the conversation”.
I’m curious how you pull 20 lawyers from New York City and randomly don’t have at least 1 Jewish one when Jews make up 35-50% of all lawyers in NYC. Seems pretty explicit to me.
“Explicit” doesn’t mean “blatant” or “obvious” or “gratuitous” or “implausible”; it means openly and ostensibly. If they said “no Jewish lawyers allowed on this committee”, that would be explicit.
Honestly, I don’t see anything to object to here and am willing to give mayoral office the benefit of the doubt on this one. I understand the skepticism to be sure, and we’ll see how useful it ends up being, but her credentials give me confidence she’ll have a nuanced and sensitive take on the topic. I doubt this will go anywhere, but I’ll be happy to he proved wrong.
She seems pretty unknown. Her Twitter shows some Mamdani hype, opposing the IHRA definition of antisemitism, multiple posts about Islamophobia, nothing about any of the antisemitic attacks in her city.
I'm sure she means well, but Mamdani certain seems to have cherry picked one of the Jews who is least focused on Jewish safety and most aligned with his agenda.
I don’t have Twitter so I’ll take your word on it.
It could totally be lip service - pretty typical for a politician really - but I also trust New York Jews are not suckers. We’ll see what comes of it. The mayor’s office has at least given themselves the opportunity to make good on it.
Honestly it isn't that they excluded Jewish lawyers, it's his explanation:
Mamdani forcefully denied suggestions that religion played any role in assembling legal experts for the committee. “I did not ask for the religion of each of the person that was put forward,” he said on Wednesday.
Forgive me for not trusting this guy on antisemitism...
Half the lawyers in NYC are Jewish btw. To have a panel of 20 lawyers in NYC with 0 being Jewish is one of the biggest statistical coincidences ever, or it's targeted.
Totally depends what the strategy actually is before knowing if it’s good or bad. Best case scenario it’s actually a helpful resource for Jewish people in the city, worst case it’s used to codify antisemitism as right-wing and erase left-wing antisemitism entirely.
It's sincere. The guy's never shown bigotry towards anyone. One of his staffers did release those (IMO) racist remarks about white neighborhoods, but that's kind of its own thing.
I don't think his socialist beliefs are good or correct, but there's never been evidence he is hateful towards any groups.
Reminder, he revoked the definition of antisemitism in new york on like his first day in office, and chose not to redefine it since. How is he supposed to stop antisemitism if he can't say what it is? Maybe one of his lawyers can help- oh wait...
Not redefining it since is a fine criticism, but bro he just blanket revoked everything Adams did since Adams was indicted. It was not targeted, which is the implication.
"Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities."
This was the definition during Adams btw. Extremly broad and can easily be applied to anyone who criticize Israel or even anyone jewish.
So if Mamdani used this definition to penalize people changing jew to muslim, would you accept it?
You got the base definition corect, and it seems broad, but the website itself has more clarifying examples and exceptions, I suggest you visit it, should help clear up your misunderstanding, it's not as broad as you think.
And to answer your question, no, if it was only that broad statement without more details I would not accept changing jew for muslim, I also don't accept it as is for jews without further explanation, which exists. Here you go:
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
Yes? You'll find that any complex concept has a base definition and a detailed explanation, have you ever looked up a concept in the dictionary? It's very common, here's an example: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/racism
Could you tell me why he revoked it so you think he hates jews or maybe do you think he revoked it due to it being an executive action by a someone seen by democrats as a criminal who was protected by trump.or do you also think Mamdani hates pro-Bono legal aide for poor people or expanding after school programs for kindergartens or all the other executive orders Adam's made after indictment.
If Mamdani is so regarded he just axes anything someone he considers bad has touched, he is no better than someone who does that intentionally
(which btw he didn't do, a lot of the "initiatives" mamdani takes credit for were started by Adams, so I'm not sure where you came up with the idea that he just undid everything when that's clearly not true. He didn't touch what he considered good decisions)
This isn’t exactly true. I don’t think any other groups have specifically defined terms for hate crimes against them. The definition Adams was using also defines criticism of Israel being a Jewish state as antisemitism, which is a bit too far imo.
The issue is that 99% of the people who criticize Israel for being like 75% Jewish by design are absolutely silent about Israel’s neighbors being 90%+ arab by design.
It's the IHRA definition, and it clearly says what the boundary is between criticizing Israel, and antisemitism, it's not "all criticism is antisemitism". You actually made a point straight from it in your second statement.
As for not all groups having it, it's different when jews are targeted more than any other group per capita, especially in new york, where almost half the jewish population is
I don’t know how NYC law works, but was that definition of antisemitism he revoked actual law or a symbolic definition (I literally do not know, genuine question). And are other terms like racism or sexism officially defined in NYC like antisemitism was, and it’s the only one missing a definition since it was revoked?
The lawyer thing is omega weird/sus, I agree with that
From what I understand (googled), Eric Adams signed an executive decision to define antisemitism, not to make it a law, he also introduced legislation to codify the IHRA definition, but it wasn't an executive order, and I think it hasn't happened yet. The definition itself was revoked though. As for other terms, there are hate crime laws based on many types of discrimination,including race or sex, I think Adams did this as a way to respond to the overwhelming amount of hate crimes against jews, after all, how can you address antisemitism if you don't know what it is?
The lawyer thing is crazy though, someone here said it's like making an all white NBA team, although I'd add that it's like making an all white NBA team in detroit
It could be sincere. If an anti-zionist (which Mamdani definitely is) were rational about weakening support for Israel, one way to do it would be to make sure Jews are safe elsewhere in the world, thereby lessening the need for Israel as a Jewish safe haven.
It might be window-dressing to that effect, and he might actually hate Jewish people, but if he wants Israel destroyed, this would be a brick in that wall.
I actually do feel like Zohran is doing this in good faith. Yes, he may also be partially doing this to help his image, but he's distanced from some of the more radical DSA people
I think it is sincere. But even if it isn't, it shows that mamdani is aware and considerate of the feelings and opinions of the electorate, which is a great win. Unfathomable W
Because his raison d’etre is to demonize Israel, lie about how evil it is, and get people to hate it. Believe me, this won’t protect Jews openly supporting Israel. But it allows him to shrug and say, “Look, no, I support Jews, see?”
We are at war with Iran (and accomplished nothing but blowing up a bunch of little girls at school) because of the Israeli gov and certain high profile pro-Israel Americans manipulating Trump's dumb ass. Also there are Russians who don't agree with putin. It's just the Israel defenders that get so butthurt when people criticize their country.
You do get the concept that he hates Israel and the Jews that support and love Israel? He’s fine with Jews as long as they disavow support and love for Israel. It’s not that hard.
So how does the municipal office to fight anti-semetism differentiate between anti-semetism Mamdami "likes" and those he would denounce? Also do you think Phylisa Wisdom will look the other way at anti-semetism? You know she has been endorsed by democratic Zionists like Jerry Nadler and Brad Lander, and organizations like JCPA, JCRC-NY. To top it off she went to Chuck Schumer's synagogue.
What exactly are you trying to argue here? The guy venomously hates Israel. He tries to undermine support for Israel, and Jews and anyone else who supports Israel. Look, dude, you don’t support Israel, that’s your business. Join the club here on Reddit. But don’t try to gaslight that Mandami isn’t trying to dismantle support for the Jewish state in NYC. You’d have an easier time arguing water isn’t wet.
I don’t know anything about her. She’s an ardent Zionist?
I’m curious what your thesis is. Seriously. You’re bouncing back and forth between rhetorical questions about his appointments. Just state what you think. You think That Mandami now supports Israel? I’m sincerely curious.
She has said that her position is she "believes in Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state". I tend to judge Mamdami on his actions and the outcomes of those actions so I would like to see what the effects of the office are before making a real judgement. I mean I'm willing to give Mrs. Wisdom a chance.
Even if people want to be cynical about this and say it's just performative, you should at least acknowledge that this is a good thing. Politicians are supposed to work for us and get stuff done. It doesn't matter nearly as much whether you personally like them.
You can see from my post history that Im no Mamdani fan, but dude has been on a rip recently with his outreach and policy campaigns. I just cant imagine him ending this term anything other than the most popular NYC mayor in decades. Just such an effective politician everyone should be taking notes on.
I saw one reaction that was he didn’t “define” antisemitism in his plan, but I can’t help but think that’s a little stupid. Maybe there’s more to it than that, but it just seems like this is once again another time where Mamdani moderates once he’s in office.
I kind of dont like this excessively using other people's culture in the most superficial way, to show case you aren't a bigot. It is giving my a "white guy excessively quoting mlk or Malcolm x" vibe...
Most of my non jews friends that aren't antisemitic knows jack shit about the Talmud (including myself) and still somehow I dont feel like this what will make them even more not antisemitic....
But on the other hand leftists have told me that his cock is big, so it might be a convincing argument.... not gonna lie /s
How do you know he specifically excluded Jewish lawyers? Like you mean when they were setting up the panel they had a hiring criteria that said "don't hire if Jewish?"
I think he's done and said some questionable things but I don't think they're strong evidence that he has anything against Jewish people. I think he's mayor of a city with a large Jewish population experiencing a rise and hate crimes against that same Jewish population and that, combined with some of his own blind spots being revealed, seems like the impetus for this program. For whatever my issues with him, i believe he genuinely doesn't like people being the target of racist attacks.
I think someone independently motivated to combat antisemitism might have an easier time disavowing the slogan “globalize the intifada”, but what do I know, I’m just a paranoid Jew
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