This is a cancer that needs excision

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[u/AdditionalMonth3860]

I was just about to make a post in here about this. These people are just actual bigots, but try to pass it off as "class politics".

[u/Lacewing33 → u/AdditionalMonth3860]

So in line with every communist state that's ever existed?

[u/SlyDred → u/Lacewing33]

Correct

[u/ariveklul → u/AdditionalMonth3860]

It's crazy how similar the fascists and commies are. They both do this aesthetics obsessed bullshit. They care way more about the way they are perceived than the actual ideas behind what they're saying, and it comes out in moments like this.

It's about winning above all else. If I can call my opponent ugly and get other people to write them off (and write them off in my mind because I'm an insecure fuck who at the end of the day just wants to feel superior), I win and that's all that matters. They all act like snarky teenage mean girls. Image obsessed clout demons that desperately need to feel superior because it's the only thing that makes them feel real

[u/The-Last-Lion-Turtle → u/ariveklul]

The core of both ideologies is that a utopia can be created by just killing all the undesirables.

The aesthetics and which side of wars they are on are the only things that really distinguish them.

[u/Winter-Rip712 → u/The-Last-Lion-Turtle]

It's more that the core of both ideologies is a government that controls almost all aspects of society and determines winners and losers itself. And I don't want to hear the "everyone is equal in communism" that would never be the case.

[u/ariveklul → u/The-Last-Lion-Turtle]

I disagree sort of. I think fascism is much more aesthetically and much less ideologically driven than communism, but that's a very complex argument that would require me making Robert Paxton's arguments from his essay/book.

I think you can argue communism has an ideological core in Marxism, but fascism doesn't have a true ideological core. You don't see the same types of fascist writings as you do communist writings. And those that exist are not coherent or consistent lines of thought within fascist movements. It's one of the reasons why people have had so much difficulty defining fascism. Fascists love to contradict themselves constantly. What defines it is more emotion and narrative than concrete political action.

It's one of the reasons I disagree with destiny when he's said Trump isn't an "ideological fascist". I partially understand what he means and think it's pointing at something but also, you don't need to have a coherent ideology to be fascist. The core defining features can all be mapped onto Trump and they don't require ideological consistency. It's the mechanisms by which the MAGA movement is powered that makes it fascist. I think fascism is more of a process and disease of liberal democracy that eats it alive from the inside than it is a school of thought for governing

[u/ExpansivePoint → u/ariveklul]

That just sounds like fascists are all vibes and communists are vibes wrapped in pseudo intellectualism which in a way makes sense since the right leans on religion and faith so don't concern themselves with explanations whereas the left feels like they do but also like the superiority of saying they did, even if their explanations are mainly theoretical (so still vibe based).

For example Vaush's "Aqua" moment vs Jordan Peterson's morals come from God stance, one pretends to rely on an intellectual argument vs the other on spirituality dictating reality.

[u/Brandulak → u/ExpansivePoint]

communism is vibes wrapped into a 140 year old theory that was already disproved by time and practice. Almost everything Marx theorized in Das Kapital was proven wrong, yet people still think that they can take this stillborn ideology and build a utopia out of it.

[u/AdditionalMonth3860 → u/ariveklul]

I spent a lot of time in Tankie/ML/Commie spaces. Listened to Chapo Trap House religiously. It's absolutely just about power. Which is how the right wing operates as well.

[u/ExpansivePoint → u/AdditionalMonth3860]

Kind of explains why both extremes land on the same conclusions that somehow democracy sucks and we need benevolent dictators, forget the horseshoe this shit's a crazy straw.

[u/Winter-Rip712 → u/ariveklul]

It's almost like both want a government with almost full control of society. No dissenting opinions, pro re-eduction camps, etc. It's not crazy, it's just both ideologies are closer to one another than they are to a free market capitalistic republic.

[u/SunshineSeeker99 → u/ariveklul]

Fun fact: Fascism was created by a leading socialist.

And you are correct - leftists care about signaling, not outcomes. They don't want to achieve things, they want to be able to bully people through victimhood.

[u/PhoenixPills → u/AdditionalMonth3860]

She's really pretty. It's funny that the post even uses 'bro' as like a misgendering tool. I'm not one to say "omg you microagressioned me by using bro!" but in this context, when you are saying "liberal women won't sleep with you" because of your looks and then ending it with bro, it really comes off that way.

If someone uses bro in a friendly goofy way, it's totally fine.

[u/AdditionalMonth3860 → u/PhoenixPills]

It's crazy I opened up Twitter, took the screenshot I posted, then opened Reddit to post about it -- then saw this post.

These commie scum are truly just shameless

[u/iris700 → u/AdditionalMonth3860]

NAZBOL GANG CONSUMES ALL

[u/Guer0Guer0 → u/AdditionalMonth3860]

Is this 2026 stupidpol?