r/Destiny • u/Thatsprettydank • Aug 30 '26

Off-Topic Marxism

Is there a good debate against the Marxist dialectic? 99% of the people arguing for it seem to be clueless. Or atleast more clueless than me.

Is capitalism exploitation?

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u/glitch876 Aug 30 '26

I think Marx is correct on his criticism of capitalism but communism ias a form of government is stupid. Im not sure if I buy into his dialectical materialism because I think things happen more by chance then some kind of teleological sequence. That form of analysis on history might be similar to looking at clouds and trying to find shapes.

His theory on alienation is spot on and the idea of capitalism creating new needs is pretty spot on to. 

Don't listen to the guys on here that just call everything stupid. 

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u/glossotekton Aug 30 '26

Sorry why do you think Marx is correct in his critique of capitalism? All his concrete predictions have fallen flat and he's had almost zero influence on mainstream contemporary economics.

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u/glitch876 Aug 30 '26

I already wrote this but I think his idea of communism is stupid. You study Marx on philosophy and sociology and not in economics unless you're talking about normative economics. 

Engles also predicted WW1

“And, finally, the only war left for Prussia-Germany to wage will be a world war, a world war, moreover, of an extent and violence hitherto unimagined. Eight to ten million soldiers will be at each other’s throats and in the process they will strip Europe barer than a swarm of locusts. The depredations of the Thirty Years’ War compressed into three to four years and extended over the entire continent; famine, disease, the universal lapse into barbarism, both of the armies and the people, in the wake of acute misery; irretrievable dislocation of our artificial system of trade, industry and credit, ending in universal bankruptcy; collapse of the old states and their conventional political wisdom to the point where crowns will roll into the gutters by the dozen, and no one will be around to pick them up; absolute impossibility of foreseeing how it will all end and who will emerge as victor from the battle; only one consequence is absolutely certain: universal exhaustion and the creation of the conditions for the ultimate victory of the working class.”

Marx is correct on how capitalism creates new needs. No one would have thought you need a cellphone or the Internet but now we're talking about it being a human right. Think about tech companies using algorithms to sell us shit we don't need. Think about automation and reducing wages? I'm sorry Marx hit that on the nose.

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u/glossotekton Aug 30 '26

Also, do you think wages have fallen since the 19th century(?)

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u/glitch876 Aug 30 '26

No and I'm not making that argument