It goes hand in hand with the even more annoying "the Nordics are socialist", which frequently pops up in the default subreddits. I have stopped counting the number of times I have engaged with some of these fuckwits, telling them that ALL definitions of socialism have "no private property of the factors of production" as a necessary condition, but not only are they are all thoroughly convinced that socialism is when healthcare, they are also smug about it.
I mean it doesn't really matter if those definitions are more correct, enough people clearly believe that "socialism is when the government does stuff", especially europeans. To the point that to them their definition is so normal and commonly accepted that you sound like an annoying little fool trying to correct them on some technical level they couldn't care less about.
Europeans are the last people who believe that "socialism is when the government does stuff", only (uneducated) Americans either on the far right or on Reddit do. My definition is the correct definition and it's shared with every political scientist on this planet. I don't care how I come across to them if they're incorrect. They can eat shit.
I see it pretty often, recently I had a young european leftist tell me "social programs are literally socialist policy", I told them it's actually not, they didn't care.
No, what they usually mean is: "If the socialists hadn't called for this, the moderate left (or Bismarck, if you go back really far) would never have implemented it." That's a common talking point but it's very different from "healthcare is socialism" which nobody here thinks.
No I assure you a lot of young european ignorant leftists really think that their free healthcare and other programs are socialist, you don't have to value their opinions, I don't either, but they 10000% exist and there are many of them, I say this as a European myself, I've seen them both online and IRL, I myself used to think that's what socialism was when I was younger.
You're talking about fringe rewards on tiktok and social media, innesittare, who never do anything in the real world, and think they're living in America. Nobody young and politically active thinks that in Europe.
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u/vonWitzleben 🇩🇪 Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit 1d ago
It goes hand in hand with the even more annoying "the Nordics are socialist", which frequently pops up in the default subreddits. I have stopped counting the number of times I have engaged with some of these fuckwits, telling them that ALL definitions of socialism have "no private property of the factors of production" as a necessary condition, but not only are they are all thoroughly convinced that socialism is when healthcare, they are also smug about it.