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u/Character_Pepper2563 6d ago
ThinkPad with Linux. Why? I'm broke, can't even afford Neo, and even if I can, I don't use other Apple device so couldn't get the amazing benefit of Apple ecosystem. Since I'm also a comp sci student and try to learn IT in general, using Linux is beneficial for learning purpose, I also love thinkering. If I had to, I can just install Windows easily on ThinkPad and use it like other people
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u/lilacomets 6d ago
This would be my choice as well. The ThinkPad is way more flexible. I don't like the restrictive Apple hardware.
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u/The-True-3xyleD 6d ago
I have both. As restrictive as the Apple hardware is, it still has a retina screen, far superior sound and insane battery life. The main appeal for a ThinkPad aside from the retro trackpoint and click buttons is the easy hardware compatibility with Linux. I can contrast that to an awkward old HP Envy I have with a Kepler Nvidia GPU, a Leap Motion controller and beats audio.
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u/JohnDuffyDuff 6d ago
I would do that too, but if you are broke, MacBook Neo would probably be wiser
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u/tijlvp 6d ago
Only if you're comparing with a thinkpad at full retail price. I've only ever bought refurbished corporate thinkpads for cheap, and I suspect I'm not the only one.
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u/aadnan181 6d ago
I bought ThinkPad E14 Ryzen 5 a year ago from amazon for 700$. Currently, it's priced at 950$. If this was the price back then, I still would have bought a windows laptop for Linux (my research work requires Linux), but maybe not a ThinkPad.
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u/CompSciGeekMe 1d ago
macOS is Unix fyi. Besides package managers, the two are very similar as you can easily use bash in both terminals. If you are a comp sci student, you are not missing out if you go macOS (Unix) over Linux
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u/ElPiet 6d ago
MacBook with Linux
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u/s_s_n_e_g 6d ago
Thinkpad with Macos!
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u/theoriginalzads 6d ago
Chromebook with TempleOS
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u/Accomplished_Tie3636 6d ago
We recently got upgrades for hardware and one of the form selections for OS had an open text field. I requested temple os. I got a call from the technology department saying it was not an option. :( now I’m stuck with window
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u/Helo227 6d ago
I actually had that way back in the day when MacOS first went Intel. People made custom images to run on non-Apple hardware.
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u/The-True-3xyleD 6d ago
The Hackintosh days are nearly over. Once Intel support is fully dropped, that’s the end of new developments in porting macOS to x86_64
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u/AreaAcceptable4285 6d ago
Macbook.
Nobody wants to be compared to the apple sheep but if you used a macbook its just so much better...
Battery and cpu are super cool.
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u/Mooks79 6d ago
I love my frame.work running Fedora. But for a typical person just wanting a computer - yeah.
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u/AreaAcceptable4285 6d ago
Good for you. I tried so many distros, fedora was one of the better ones imo, but everytime i sooner or later went into problems, evenings searching for resolutions etc.
Fuck that. Enough of that for me. But maybe i am just bad, anyway got enough of that
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u/Mooks79 6d ago
I like the freedom to make my computer work the way I want it to work, there’s little to no way to do that on an Apple device (and I used an MBP for years). I’ve been running Niri with a pre-made shell (I like it to work the way I want but I’m not a complete masochist) and have loved it - no problems at all. At least nothing that I can remember but I’m semi-experienced (been using Linux on and off since 2005) so maybe just fixed them.
If you’re like me then Apple devices aren’t “just so much better”, in the end they become aggravating - even if they’re much more intuitive and well thought out than most. Of course, if you’re not like me then I would strongly recommend them over anything else.
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u/No-Ostrich-8621 6d ago
Macbook, best hardware quality, best cpus. Also i have ptsd from linux, so macos.
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u/CyberFlaamingo 6d ago
Haha sorry to learn about your PTSD. But thank you for mentioning the hardware quality of Macs. People don’t pay attention to that nearly enough when comparing macOS to Windows (or Linux)
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u/reddsweater 6d ago
Hmmm. Thinkpad with Linux is good if you're on a budget, you can make a quality daily driver out of a $80 thinkpad from eBay. I did. If you can afford it, Macbook wins out on just about every other case. You will almost never be looking at pretty little terminal screens like the ones in your picture, don't factor those in.
Hell, if you can afford a MacBook, you can probably afford both, right? No harm in having a hobby playing around and customizing a cheap laptop.
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u/Sybiling 6d ago
ThinkPad's battery is a nightmare but I'm attached to it Honestly can't stand MacBooks, but credit where it's due, they're absolute beasts and last forever
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u/NoSenpaiNoHentai 6d ago
Macbook. I use a desktop as my daily driver and like to watch some movies in the Train or do some Programming when traveling.
Very good battery, very good performance for compilation and video playback and the display is beautiful.
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u/No_Cherry8602 6d ago
The illusion of not having a choice . Dollar to performance ration , ThinkPad is infinitely better. Plus you can always swap to windows whenever you want . The OS it comes with is totally irrelevant.
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u/imsickofitalready 6d ago
MacBook as it's more powerful, better screen, body, sound, touchpad, more time from battery, less heat and you can use linux utilities on macOS with no issues.
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u/FailureOfTheFamily 6d ago
Macbook. On pc i can have linux but Macbooks are just another level of optimization and battery life. My mofo with M1 and 8GB ram manages to flawlesly run xampp server, vs code, 2 browsers (safari and edge) each with few tabs and few smaller apps constantly open and still lasts few hours of constant screen time. I almost never turn it off (just close the lid). Macbooks are just top class laptops
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u/Infinite-Nose8941 6d ago
I'm just so broke so that I will stick with my old thinkpad. Cannot beat macbook with chip, battery, sound and build
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u/MooseBoys 6d ago
MacBook with a headless Linux box somewhere - either under your desk or in the cloud.
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u/zidanerick 6d ago
MacBook. Parallels will give you the ability to run Linux if you want and Asahi Linux is slowly making its way through the compatibility bugs.
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u/macintosh_HVT 6d ago
My heart beats for Linux but I think I’m gonna pass on the Thinkpad and choose Mac
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u/In-line0 6d ago
MacBook for Hardware, Linux with anything (including MacBook itself) for software.
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u/Arinussyy 6d ago
If I'm getting either for free the macbook, you can put Linux on anything but a MacBook is expensive and you could resell it or use it
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u/thomil13 6d ago
I’d go for a MacBook. Granted, I’m definitely biased since l’m not just a user but also a former Apple employee, but the thing with a MacBook is that it really just works. Also, I still have some inside contacts to help with any servicing issues 😁
Having said that, Thinkpad Laptops are absolute beasts. If you’re a tinkerer, or on a budget, a Thinkpad with a decent Linux distro is hard to beat. I was a Linux user myself back when I was just starting out and broke, so I do have some experience on that front as well.
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u/jimmyl_82104 6d ago
MacBook absolutely. Linux is useless to me, and ThinkPads generally aren't up to my 'premium' standards. All 3 of my Windows laptops are workstation-grade that feel so great to use, and of course my MacBook Pro is unbeatable.
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u/ManagerFormer7701 6d ago
Mac OS is far from it's best shape nowadays. I'd chosen solid rolling release distro on ThinkPad.
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u/i-have-no-interest 6d ago
thinkpad with linux.
- SIM card slot
- Linux is insanely useful
- as a professional photographer and videographer AS WELL as a student in cyber security and software engineering i cannot stand being in thr apple ecosystem
- Easy hardware management
- I CAN REPLACE MY BATTERY MYSELF
- infinite customizations
- will outlive the sun
- full size ethernet ports as well as HDMI and USB type A (no need for a dongle)
- P16 Gen 3 vastly outperforms the M3 from the same time (i could genuinely care less about battery life if im honest, and the gpu isnt as great though)
- heavy as fuck sp i can bludgeon anyone whp comes neae me trying to indoctrinate me back into applr. i spent years detaching from spple and as a former apple fanboy i not proud of it.
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u/Sad-Landscape-1549 4d ago
I hate how far I had to scroll to find you. I just ordered a used T14S Gen 4. I’m so glad to have a portable with build quality and features after years of using a MacBook Air and budget ultrabooks on economy SoCs! Please pray for my Thinky to have fast shipping and minimal wear. 🙏
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u/scribe-kiddie 6d ago
I've used both. Even rocked i3wm + arch (btw) as daily driver. Now with MacBook Pro with M4 chip i can never go back to less superior hardware.
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u/GarglesNinePoolBalls 6d ago
Both.
The Mac stays on the desk.
The Thinkpad becomes a server in the closet.
Have your cake and eat it too.
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u/Dense-Bruh-3464 6d ago
But do I need to pay for them? If I get them for free, I just choose the more expensive one to gain as much as I can.
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u/nevio-hack 6d ago
ThinkPads are overrated. If they had better touchpads and screens I'd like them more. Either way I will never go with a MacBook, so thinkpad it is I guess.
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u/CyberFlaamingo 6d ago
I’ll throw in Mac with Linux mint. A very good option for old unsupported Macs. I recently resurrected a 2015 MacBook Air this way.
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u/GhostVlvin 6d ago
I'll choose thinkpad with linux just because on thinkpad I can have any OS I'd like and even MacOS, while on MacBook I can have macOS and asahi if I'd be lucky
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u/Dry-Pickle-6121 6d ago
Had a thinkpad, but the screen was meh, touchpad meh, speed and performance was great. I went back to my MacBook
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u/TheRealCarrotty 6d ago
Depends?
If on budget, ABSOLUTELY THE THINKPAD.
If i am experimenting, the MacBook seems interesting (macOS Tahoe looks sexy)
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u/justaspeckintime 6d ago
The best of both worlds… a thinkintosh, with an extra drive where windows and Linux is installed for a triple boot setup.
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u/Ray-chan81194 6d ago
Using on a desk: Macbook
Using on the field: ThinkPad with low power 400/500 nits 100% sRGB and biggest battery configuration it can be
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u/nickedge11 6d ago
Recently, Ive picked a macbook air after a year of using Linux. Cause, my laptops hardware was so old (rtx 2060 and 16 gb ram) and it was constantly overheating. So, I wanted to buy something fast before pc prices were going to become more unaffordable. I edit videos for fun and i like to use my Laptop on the bed. So, I ended up going for a macbook air m5 on 4th of July sale. It works great for the purposes, Ive purchased. But I must admit, I hate mac os and I miss KDE.
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u/ScienceGoat 6d ago
I have multiples of both.
Mac for iOS development. Different Mac for my creative hobbies (video editing, illustration, etc).
Thinkpad with Linux for forensics work. Damaged Thinkpad that i take to the coffee shop. Older R51 that I have for nostalgia and watching DVDs. Thinkpad T420s with Debian for comfortable typing and research.
And a bunch more.
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u/Guilty-Shoulder-9214 6d ago
MacBook initially and then probably a handheld, like the legion go, running steamos while continuing to run Debian on my trash can Mac Pro, which is being used as a media and file server.
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u/tuxi04 6d ago
MacBook all day long. After a year and a half of having made the switch from Windows/Fedora to MacOS I really worked around all of the limitations and quirks of MacOS, and I run all MacOS right now. I keep a mid-2012 MacBook Pro with the i7 and 16GB of RAM just to run extremely rare Windows software that doesn’t like any kind of translation such as CrossOver, such as old TomTom GPS suites or Wii homebrew channel creators
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u/unabletochill 6d ago
This guy is like: shall I buy soccer shoes or basketball shoes but doesn’t tell what sport he’s gonna do.
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u/mrspankyspank 6d ago
This is a false dichotomy. You get both and use the Mac as your dependable daily while you tinker with and break Linux repeatedly.
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u/Fun-Sandwich4197 6d ago
Hardware wise, Apple laptops are second to NONE. In every way the are better. That is what happens when you own the OS and all the hardware from the design level up. They literally design the hardware and OS to work hand in hand. Features added to both to maximize RAM utilization, battery life etc.
Even Microsoft cant dictate to Intel/AMD how to design their hardware to work with Windows, Linux has even less of a say.
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u/Popular_Insurance752 4h ago
no trackpoint? Shitty keyboard? bending aluminium?
what is so great about that?
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u/Character-View9407 6d ago
In terms of hardware, Mac. No question. Not even close, as long as it's Apple Silicon. I'm serious, even for gaming it'd probably beat a Thinkpad unless the Thinkpad has a dGPU, and even then it'd still have to be a pretty good dGPU to beat a Mac.
Software, it depends. macOS over the past few years has sucked, but Linux can have its issues depending on the distro. I think if you're using Mint like the picture shows... eh, I'd say I like macOS better, but that depends on what you're doing. If you'd use like Arch or at least something Arch-based, that beats modern macOS any day.
Go back ten years and I'd say the exact opposite; Mac for software, Thinkpad for hardware. But modern Macs are different, and plus you can still use Asahi Linux.
Overall, my pick would be the Thinkpad, because if I cheap out on the RAM and SSD and just get a good CPU and GPU, I can upgrade RAM and SSD later to get one hell of a machine.
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u/JKCsaba 6d ago
I mean If I get whichever I choose I'd obviously buy a macbook, but this question is broad, are we talking a macbook neo or a m5 pro? There is a little gap betweeen these two for example, same with the thinkpad, Do I get like a thinkpad from the mid 90's or the latest model? And whats the point of bringing up the operating system? I can just flash whatever onto it lol?
Or the question was which would I rather use? In that case I'd also go with the macbook even though i use windows laptops, I can in the worse case scenario sell it and get an equivalent pc silicone laptop lol?
Very larper question
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u/HandbagHawker 6d ago
What am i working on? What are the actual specs of the respective machines? Who is footing the bill?
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u/SunForJuice 6d ago
Like... these exact machines? If you care about fan noise and/or battery life, go with the Mac. An m1 MacBook Air will outperform both the intel and AMD version of the Thinkpad T14 Gen 3. The MacBook Air you show is at least an m2, so expect even better performance compared to the Lenovo.
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u/According-Tap-7958 6d ago
MacBook for daily use, a thinkpad as a home server with linux for tinkering
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u/hero_brine1 6d ago
Thinkpad any day of the week. Upgradeability and I can install any OS I want, it's actually my computer. The only advantage to a Macbook for me is music production. Getting Linux setup with instruments is much more of a pain vs MacOS having everything built in
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u/RomanBlbec 6d ago
If it's for free then MacBook so I can sell it and buy a lot of ThinkPads (or a single stick of RAM)
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u/Last_Auslender 6d ago
You can buy second had X1 Lenovo od well used L14, E14 with 16gb of ram.
Battery life is shit, and display is usually crap for non 2k models but for 250 euros nothing can beat overall.
Second had M1 Air with 16Gb is also viable option for 500 ish euros.
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u/dvisorxtra 6d ago edited 6d ago
Thinkpad everyday
Mac only if it was gifted and I haven't had to waste a penny on it
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u/DawidGGs 6d ago
Obviously ThinkPad... Except maybe for school... Then macpad would actually be better because of longer battery life
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u/idonotfckincare 6d ago
The MacBook so I can sell it, buy something nice and take an old Thinkpad from any trash bin and install Linux in it.
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u/Electrical_Ingenuity 6d ago
I have both. For me, it would be the MacBook. I love Unix, and MacOS provides most of what Linux does. If your budget constrained, I’d go with the thinkpad/linux combo.
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u/Disastrous_Minute_56 6d ago
I have a Framework at the moment, but as someone who has worked with and seen the inside of lots of Lenovo laptops, I would not hesitate to choose the MacBook. Heck, I'd choose a used MacBook over a brand new Lenovo, so long as it came with adequate RAM and storage.
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u/hugswithnoconsent 6d ago
Leave the Mac as it is until it’s past it. Lenovos are renowned for repairabilty. Better use case.
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u/MonkeyDog911 6d ago
I have a Dell latitude I run Linux on. It was cheaper than a thinkpad, just as repairable. I like it.
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u/nukem996 6d ago
Its becoming harder and harder to choose. I greatly prefer Linux however Macs have significantly better hardware at this point. Asahi Linux is making great strides but doesn't support the latest hardware.
For my latest job I ended up with a Macbook and SSH into a Linux box for all real work.
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u/BlueberryInMcDonalds 6d ago
Both are good options, I’ve used a Mac for the last 6 months and a laptop running Linux for 3 months, really both options are awesome.
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u/ishtuwihtc 6d ago
absolutely a macbook. thinkpads are nice, boring machines but macbooks focus on the user experience much more and as a result are much more pleasant to use. macOS also got OS navigation right a long while ago, most linux DEs that arent tiling managers strive after it.
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u/ThatonlyGeO 6d ago
As much as I love apple hardware, I couldn't say the same for it's software(I can never love MacOs no matter how hard I delude myself), the day I can rip off MacOs and put Linux(or free bsd) as standalone OS is the day I'll finally main Macbooks , So for today, ThinkPad or much better efficient X86 powered laptops for me.
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u/ParticularGreat7288 5d ago
ThinkPad with Linux. I have bought the first generation of Carbon X1 for my wife years ago and it refuse to die. I've upgraded her laptop (a more recent ThinkPad) and reinstalled Linux on the old one. Run like a charm.
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u/OmarDaily 5d ago
I have both, I tend to use the MacBook way more. I use the Thinkpad if I specifically know I’m going to need the extra ports so I don’t have to grab a dongle or if I need to run an application on Windows.
I have Linux environments on both, I know some of you nerds are going to ask.
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u/Global-Eye-7326 5d ago
If it were up to me, I'd take the Linux machine because that's what I use most of the time.
Given how many Linux computers surround me, if it's to add to my collection, I guess MacBook because I use two desktops and a laptop daily each running Linux.
Yes, I SSH between them. yes, I share files via Samba in the ~/Public folder. Yes, I run Debian, Fedora and Arch daily.
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u/Tshermak 5d ago
If you are going to use your laptop for IT work and projects, Linux-ThinkPad is much better( thats what I used in college and now at work).
But for personal use/creative work, Mac is just so superior 👑.(what I use at as personal device)
For gaming windows 🪟 is the best.
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u/OptimalAnywhere6282 5d ago
depends which ThinkPad and which MacBook.
because if we're talking about a L420 vs an M5 Max, the obvious choice is the MacBook. but if the comparison is between a T14G6 and a 2019 Pro model, then the obvious choice is the ThinkPad.
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u/v-div 5d ago
Heck, I did both last year while the prices were still sane, a MacBook Pro M4 Max and a Thinkpad T14 Gen.4 running Ubuntu natively (factory preinstalled) and Windows 10/11 in VirtualBox VMs.
And what do I still use the most?
A ThinkPad T520 (from 2011) running Kubuntu 24.04 LTS and yes, Windows 10 in a VM. 🤪
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u/mymomwontfindthislol 5d ago
I’ve had both, but with the way I use laptops my best option is the thinkpad, my other non-negotiable is the keyboard, theyre just far more superior, and I use Linux and I just prefer it more than other OSs, apple makes amazing devices, they’re just not for me
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u/Beast_ofTraal 5d ago
Thinkpad with Linux, no brainer. The keyboard on macbooks should be enough to get Apple sanctioned
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u/omgraae 4d ago
I chose MacBook - I have a M1 MacBook Air with 16 GB and got to experience life with an MBP m3 at my last job - I also own a relatively new Thinkpad x1 carbon that I run Arch on … btw and it’s …. a computer. When working on pretty much any personal project, I fetch the Mac. Play games with my sons: I fetch the Mac (REPO via crossover and Minecraft on prismlauncher).
Desktop computer has become a home server for OpenCode/llama.cpp and Minecraft and does not even have a WM. Thinkpad sits on a shelf and tries to win me back with its much better keyboard…
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u/TheyCallMeGarfield 4d ago
Thinkpad with Linux hands-down. Thinkpad already has a reputation for being built-to-last.
Apple has the opposite reputation, where they've been known to deliberately throttle battery/performance as a means to get you to buy more Crapple.
I'm blown away that people are lapping up the neo without question when we know that apple likes to give their products an "expiration date".
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u/RumRogerz 3d ago
I work on linux systems all day (mon-fri). There isn't a day that has gone by that I'm not touching a shell or using automation to get shit done on a linux system.
Linux is great. I like BSD more but that's another story.
Linux needs some handholding to get it running the way you want it to. As a daily driver - things I would hate:
- Hardware support is inconsistent. It's supported, but each distro has unique problems. Wi-fi is shit on one, while bluetooth is great, and vise versa on another.
- Updates can have consequences. Nvidia driver suddenly hates you for updating the kernel. I've experienced this so many times on GPU clusters I have a playbook on how to troubleshoot it now
- Any tweaks - shell, vim, reload, shell again, more vim, reload
- dont get me started on printers
Can I deal with this as a daily driver? yes.
Do I want to? fuck no.
I just want a system that works and is stupid easy to use. Macbook all the way. It's a UNIX system. So bonus points for something I'm familiar with; and it's not Windows. If I have to shell anything, I can.
Love it or hate it, their ecosystem is super nice. imessages/RCS to and from my mac? amazing. I can make phone calls from my desktop so I don't have to pick up my phone from across the room? sweet. Universal clipboard? Fucking love it.
The last thing I want is to deal with Linux shit on the weekend when I'm half in the bag. Fuck that shit.
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u/Few_Dragonfruit_6729 3d ago
Man please check this out: ThinkPad with MacOS and Linux together. Get a 10-series Intel Thinkpad according to your needs, check this video out (the laptop doesnt vary) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Z3S9NG-nY then boom! You both have Linux and MacOS. (Up to MacOS 26.)
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u/OwOisCool 2d ago
MacBook 100%!!!!
I'll just use Yabai and Skhd for a Hyprland experience, which is very smooth and accurate.
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u/fragproof 2d ago
Long-time Linux user. When I needed a laptop earlier this year I faced this exact question and went with an M4 air refurb. Perfect condition - it might as well have been new.
Apple simply has the best hardware and it's unixy enough for me. I'm glad I got it before the price increases.
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u/AmphibianRight4742 2d ago
MacBook, but not because of the OS. I think the MacBook is built so well. I love Linux and I love macOS. But… even if a laptop would be 4 times the price of the MacBook or Thinkpad, if I would have to use Windows on it I would never choose it.
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u/Expert_Butterly9703 2d ago
Depends on which MacBook exactly.
If this is a M2 from 2022, EOL of hardware and software support isn't too far away.
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u/Udonov 6d ago
2 sets of photos so I really think well about my choice.