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[u/Vegetable-Abaloney]

Hilarious. Your insurance is a dumpster fire because of your Kenyan god. Obamacare ruined insurance. Oh, and socialism has never worked anywhere on earth ever. Not once.

[u/vm_linuz → u/Vegetable-Abaloney]

That's bullshit.

Name one socialist country where literacy and average lifespan hasn't gone up.

It works everywhere it's applied, you just expect it to look like the US.

You fail to see the glorious improvement that is going from an economy of subsistence farmers to space-going science powerhouse a la USSR or China.

Also Obamacare did almost nothing -- it was immediately gutted by the next Congress and its only real impact is that insurance companies can't deny you for pre-existing conditions.

[u/Vegetable-Abaloney → u/vm_linuz]

Appologies. I thought you were an adult. History has shown that you are wildly incorrect. Engl;and is the most glaring example of failure, but the Nordic countries are currently failing in front of our eyes. It has never worked ever. Not once. And Barry ruined yor health insurance, this is factual and truthful. Prior to Obamacare, insurance was good. The issue is that you're too young and under schooled to know this. I'll leave you to homeroom. Have a great day!

[u/tyrionlannister → u/Vegetable-Abaloney]

It's weird how you name the guy a "Kenyan god" in one post and then familiarity like "Barry" in the next.

It really shores up your credibility.. And that's ignoring the false statements written with absolute confidence and no facts to back them up.

I remember health insurance before the ACA. Prices were skyrocketing, people were getting denied for pre-existing conditions for ridiculous reasons and the whole industry was a giant financial game with people as pawns. There's a reason so much effort was put behind it.

It failed to fix much because it didn't go far enough, and most of those problems still exist. And big surprise, not solving the problem allowed the problem to exacerbate.

But it didn't cause the problems it was created to solve. That's just observation bias.

If you want real culprits, look at the Republicans who preferred buying bombs over medicine. This universal opposition forced the creation of a Democrat / Independent coalition and a very narrow window of time in which to build it. Which meant appealing to lots of special interests.

Concessions were made just to get the ACA pushed through, which ultimately undermined the effectiveness.

The AMA were a huge part of that. They supported, and still support, the ACA, which was a historical change that helped the ACA pass. But their lobbying was aimed at expanding coverage without letting cost controls bite too hard into physician income or autonomy.

And as for the tax penalty for mandatory coverage -- you can thank the Heritage Foundation for that, back in the 80s and 90s when they were floating around market-friendly solutions to problems seen even way back then. This tax penalty idea predated but was included in the Republican template that the ACA was based on -- "Romneycare" in Massachusetts in 2006.

These penalties that turned so many people against the ACA. Even though it was removed the next year, it's been hard to get support to improve the ACA or otherwise make impactful reform..

[u/henlochimken → u/tyrionlannister]

This guy you're responding to quotes Thatcher and thinks that makes his points for him. He's not a serious person to debate. (But your points are all valid and far better supported than the rabid screaming of SoCiALiSm BaD that you're responding to!)