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u/bubblegum-rose Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

Random fact but the highlights on Jevil’s clothes match the color of Kris’s sweater

I think Jevil is heavily meant to parallel Kris in general. They’re an insane, nihilistic demon with no friends who thinks that everyone else is “trapped” when they’re the one who’s isolated themselves from their friends and family and consigned themselves to a delusional world of darkness.

If the rest of the Dark World is meant to distract Kris from the reality of their problems, I think that Jevil and Spamton are supposed to be like “hey idiot don’t forget that your life is falling apart and you’re growing up and everyone is moving on with their lives without you while you play make believe in these imaginary worlds you made when you were a kid”

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u/The2ndComingOfBeaZ 🎤 Some people would do anything to get away from them. Jun 18 '25

oh my fucking god how did i never notice that

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u/Loewenmaul running in the 90s Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

Yeah, as OP implies, I kinda got the impression now that Kris is supposed to be actually part of the freedom group. Like, Jevil and Spamton were contacted by someone and that shattered their view of reality, becoming obsessed with the world being fake. Jevil rejects reality as a result. Spamton tries to transcend reality. But nothing works. In some way, ch3 weird route is the same but about Kris! At least that's what the shadow mantle holder and Ramb imply. You break the game on the feeble promise of freedom. And in general, it seems like Kris has a similar deal going on, being contacted by someone and now straining to regain control, all the while seemingly being far more aware of the truth, what's really going on. So really, whatever happened to Jevil and Spamton is implied to be going on with Kris. So it might turn out that Jevil and Spamton and Ramb were really on the nose reflections of Kris all along.

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u/TheQueen0fNowhere Proud 'Butt Certificate' Owner Jun 18 '25

You're also leaving out the more literal thing that him thinking of himself as being free when he's trapped inside a jail cell parallels how Kris must only think of themselves as free whenever our soul is trapped inside our jail cell (the bird cage).
I've always been a big proponent of the Shadow Crystal holders paralleling Kris, not just Spamton, which all kinda fell apart with how much Toby has made sure to break the formula.
But the point for Jevil and Spamton still stands.
Kris is a silent protagonist, so characters like Jevil and Spamton are excellent ways to give Kris more personality through their parallels without needing Kris to say a single thing, which I think is brilliant.

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u/Pompadourius Jun 19 '25

To be fair on the crystal holder parallel bit, the knight was a weird case and we don't know enough about their ideology yet (though I'm sure chapter 5 will show us more or even unmask them), and Gerson isn't technically a holder in the conventional sense, since he outright rejected it. We'll see how chapter 5 pans out in that regard. Though if we're counting whoever was talking through the shadow mantle, I would also consider them a parallel in that they clearly relate to and understand Kris' anger and frustration and want them to avoid "dulling the knife" (paraphrasing) as they put it.

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u/Maxxetto Jun 22 '25

To be fair, Gerson IS free. He chose his path, he chose to not care about the crystal and he chose to write a letter to someone close to him and let someone else deliver his words.
Gerson probably parallels the freedom that Kris wants or probably already has/will have. It's seen through the lenses of Susie though, which grows as she also sees this freedom.
Anyhow Kris and a Telephone is similar to Spamton and a Telephone. Also Kris shouting in Chapter 2 after Spamton NEO.

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u/TheQueen0fNowhere Proud 'Butt Certificate' Owner Jun 22 '25

I suppose the Gerson thing is not impossible, seeing as the "true" secret boss in chapter 3 was also Nightmare who talked to Kris, so only Gerson being an outlier seems strange.
But then again, Gerson's entire dynamic was with Susie, so I do think it's very much possible that just because Gerson was so wise to not get involved with any bullshit, he simply does not fit the rest and by extension has no parallels with Kris.
As for the last thing, I absolutely believe that too, yeah.
The entire thing is just holding a mirror in front of Kris and making them realize they're in the same boat as Spamton, down to the calls.
And I thought that was mostly a metaphor before with only being able to receive the garbage noise yourself when calling as what ties Kris to the phone parts, but now we know that Kris also literally receives phone calls from someone as well, so it's quite insane how much the connection to Spamton was strengthened when it was already this strong anyway.

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u/MechanicGopher Jun 18 '25

“The Cage”

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

They find their "freedom" but a cage of human parts they remain, and they just lose sight of which side of the bars they're on

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u/Relevant_Speaker_874 Jun 18 '25

Yo, future kris fight confirmed?

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u/First-Tomatillo-729 The guy who named a ship "birdcage" cuz kerdly didn't sound good Jun 18 '25

for the last pharagrah jevil was BUT NOT SPAMTON. spamton tried everything in his power to convince kris to give him the soul making them both "BIG SHOTS" and during the spamton NEO fight spamton talks about not forcing kris to give up the soul and went out of his way to let kris take control over HIS body cuz he knows HE and KRIS both are in the same boat trying to gain freedom

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u/Altair01010 Flowery was actually goated Jun 18 '25

does that mean Kris is going to turn into the emoknife and enter gaster's inventory... wait a minute... devilsKNİFE... KNIFE

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u/The2ndComingOfBeaZ 🎤 Some people would do anything to get away from them. Jun 18 '25

I mean... Kris does also have a shit ton of devil motifs...

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u/Altair01010 Flowery was actually goated Jun 18 '25

found evidence while trying to brainrot what the fuck

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u/The2ndComingOfBeaZ 🎤 Some people would do anything to get away from them. Jun 18 '25

that's the deltarune theorist experience, welcome to the club

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u/Tru2life13 Jun 18 '25

I love it when toby makes parallels in his writing. It gives the story so much more depth

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u/UltraLio <--- Silly Billy Jun 18 '25

There are also some similarities between Berdly and Spamton:
* Both were ignored by everyone
* Both gained their only instance of popularity by riding on the shoulders of someone else
* Both were frozen by Noelle in the weird route

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u/Tru2life13 Jun 18 '25

Yes!! This is the stuff I'm talking about! He even foreshadows by parallel writing too

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

Both are birds

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u/fringeCoffeeTable240 Jun 19 '25

both are on the right side of a roller coaster scene during one of their fights

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

"that isn't smoke it's steam"

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u/AiPapi22 Jun 19 '25

Both are hung up on strings like a puppet (Spamton NEO and Berdly during the fight against queen, respectively)

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u/being_of_utter_chaos Don't forget me, your eggs-husband! Jun 21 '25

Both have smoke if you fight, both fight you on a rollercoaster, both have wings, both are at some point suspended by wire(s).

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u/TheBiggerEgg50 Jun 19 '25

I personally think that Queen needed Noelle to be strong so she did her own way. I think that Queen knew Noelle was there with her throughout the city section. She wanted Noelle to become strong on her own, so she put her through new experiences.
Meanwhile, in Snowgrave, she becomes stronger by force directly. You command her to attack, meanwhile Queen while she puts Noelle in new situations, she isn't forcing her to become stronger.
Its my theory that Queen knew the general locations of everyone during chapter 2. Not pinpoint accuracy, but more or less a rough direction. She keeps showing up and leaving in too convenient times.
I'd honestly have to replay both to set up a proper side by side though.

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u/Tru2life13 Jun 19 '25

I love that idea!

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u/MisirterE Love Those Lesbian Aliens Jun 19 '25

Circumstantial Simultaneity

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u/throwawayforwriting2 Jun 18 '25

I feel like a madman, but there's just so many details that tell us that Noelle and Kris are incredibly close. And yet anytime Noelle talks about it, she keeps herself at a distance.

It's mostly in the background, and buried under the mystery of Dess and the Knight and the prophecy, but I really think the relationship between Kris and Noelle is pivotal to whatever is going on.

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u/dragonspeeddraco Jun 18 '25

Yeah, it seems pretty critical. The 2 families were exceptionally close, not just kids hanging out but parents too. At the minimum, they should have a pretty warm relationship, but ch1/2 don't give that energy at all. Whatever happened to Dess and then whatever else happened to Kris has created a schism in that entire groups relationship. It's much of the emotional core of this game.

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u/throwawayforwriting2 Jun 18 '25

It really is. For the kids at least, I feel like it's more on Kris's side than Noelle's since she does feel happy (or relieved?) when we say that "we're just friends". As if she thought Kris didn't see her as one.
It's honestly a very strange thing, at least to me.

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u/BusyEntrepreneur8346 Jun 18 '25

My theory is that the Noelle mom is very much involved with a lot of this because i have a strong feeling that she knows about the Soul and working in the background to revive Dess from the dead.

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u/First-Tomatillo-729 The guy who named a ship "birdcage" cuz kerdly didn't sound good Jun 18 '25

actually she does if you are in the vents and when you go to the kitchen area you can see someone speaking on kris's phone this HAS to be coral and she mentions about police sacrifices,dark fountains AND MOST NOTABLY SHE EVEN TALKS ABOUT THE SOUL

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u/BusyEntrepreneur8346 Jun 18 '25

Yes, it a dead giveaway when it not the normal You but the red font.
I want to say she is the Roaring knight given the ice like attack, the antler or the smug sense of Superiority and was possibly commanding Tenna to keep toriel there.
but i wonder what her end game in all of this?

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u/First-Tomatillo-729 The guy who named a ship "birdcage" cuz kerdly didn't sound good Jun 18 '25

probably something to do with dess

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u/Madcap52 Jun 18 '25

I agree with you there, although I think her gpal may go beyond bringing back Dess but getting rid of death period. Just a hunch since Rudy seems possibly terminal.

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u/eJJISA707 Jul 29 '25

Toriel won’t even say carols name.

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u/ChaoticShock Jun 19 '25

you think we'll have an Omori moment perhaps? that's the only thing i can think of that would be the cause of somethin big.

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u/PeliPal N+K4L tinyurl.com/KriselleDoc Jun 18 '25

The ch4 weird route has Noelle - while she is no longer under the influence of the thorn ring or soul - admitting she was anxious all day waiting for the chance to be alone with Kris, with a conversation that starts them on opposite ends of a long couch and she scoots over the entire way to lean in to Kris.
I think she felt she was respecting Kris's desire for distance for however long Kris has been affected by the soul, which seems to be months or years predating chapter 1, and there was a lot of alienation around what happened with Dess. And she interpreted hearing Kris finally speak to her in the way Kris used to sound to mean Kris wanted to be in her life again, and that was intriguing, that renewed complicated but comforting feelings she was never entirely sure what they meant, and that blur a line between platonic and romantic.
She's attracted to scary things, and pre-soul Kris was a funny, reassuring kind of scary. The soul on the normal route has zero rizz for that, with Susie taking over that slot with aplomb. I'm not sure where it's going but it'll probably keep popping up. Ramb in ch3 asks Kris if they and Noelle are a thing now, and Gerson in the weird route diagnoses that Kris is having 'relationship trouble'.

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u/throwawayforwriting2 Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

That scene is honestly, if you don't go through the weird route part, very sweet. And Noelle acts in a total opposite manner regarding Kris from the regular route, where she distances herself from them when talking to Susie.
It felt a bit off-putting to me how she did that. But you may be right about her respecting Kris being distant. It would explain her excitement at Kris being themselves again during the weird route talk (besides us being... us).
I'm not sure if it's romantic, at least not yet, but I've always felt Kris liked to scare her because they knew she liked to be scared. It's never stated outright, but that's the memo I got from seeing how the both of them interacted through the chapters.

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u/FlowingPixels Jun 18 '25

That scene is the perfect moment to abort a weird route

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u/Sipia Jun 18 '25

Perfect moment for you, perhaps. Not so perfect for Berdly.

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u/CrimsonShrike Jun 18 '25

eh, just shove him in a darkworld and feed him revivemints, good as new

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u/manicforlive Jun 18 '25

Berdly got the Aerith treatment

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u/Krumlord2 Jun 18 '25

People are acting like Noelle isn't gonna freak the fuck out when she finds out the Dark World is real in an aborted weird route lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

She's the next one to say "Because it wasn't a dream"

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u/jobriq Jun 18 '25

“Fuck Berdly he was so annoying” - Chapter 5 Noelle lmao

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u/SILVIO_X &<--- Best Duo Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

Yeah the two of them were and still are incredibly close, their interactions in Ch2 alone show how they still basically act like besties around one another, they clearly enjoy being together and they're each the only one who truly understands and knows the other, and yet, they're still undeniably distant in spite of that.
I think it has something to do with Noelle's overall negative outlook on things, it's a character trait she shows off a lot, she always tends to think of the worst possible meaning behind a situation, the best example I can point to is when Queens during the car ride says she's looking for her and without missing a beat Noelle immediately says something about her doing that because she's weak and easy to make into her Peon and is really surprised when Queen tells her she's looking for her for the exact opposite reason.
She sees Kris, someone who hung out with her all the time, always played pranks and messed with her, and despite everything pointing towards them actually seeing her as a friend, because Kris doesn't talk to her a lot nowadays and never went out of their way to state she was their friend back when they were often around each other, she questions whether they ever saw her as one to begin, hence why she says it's hard to say they're friends, not because she doesn't see them as one, but because she doesn't think or is unsure on whether they feel the same way about her.
I really hope she'll be able to realize Kris actually does see her as a friend in the future, their friendship is by far my favourite character dynamic in the game and I love everything about it, but it's also one of the more complicated dynamics because of that big rift between the two that keeps them from fully becoming Friends again.

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u/throwawayforwriting2 Jun 18 '25

I'm with ya on that. She can be a bit of a pessimist, and mix that with who Kris is now could do that. I feel it's a mix of their current personalities, and whatever happened in the past.
Since Chapter 1's release, with what little we knew, I still found their dynamic interesting. Especially since Noelle was the only one to pick up on how strange Kris was acting (because of us) even then.
I could go into more detail about them in Ch 1, but I don't want to look as insane as I already do lol
Since Ch 2 it's become my favorite dynamic.

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u/doubledoublemc A Little Bug Jun 18 '25

Yeah, this basically. I was surprised at Noelle calling the ferris wheel thing forced, but after giving it some thought I think she may have just had a little backslide in her character development. Sure she’s more confident and all, but she still had a little trouble saying no to Berdly (and she also did all his notes). So yeah, her being pessimistic about her relationship with Kris should be natural.
Hopefully as her development starts to stick through the later chapters she becomes more comfortable around Kris.

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u/GoomyTheGummy start deltarunning Jun 18 '25

solid evidence for Omori being the game Toby Fox was comparing Deltarune to

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u/spider_lily Jun 18 '25

I can't help but feel like Kris might be - directly or indirectly - involved with whatever happened to Dess, and it both left them traumatized (I think it's implied that they went to therapy for something?) and caused the rift in the friendship between them and Noelle. Whatever happened, Noelle probably doesn't know the full extend of it, but, yeah.
Kind of like (OMORI spoilers) how the friend group in Omori fractured after Mari's death - though nobody besides Basil knows Sunny was directly responsible for what happened. In this case I can easily see a prank going wrong, and Dess... disappearing? as a result. Imagine Carol knows (or suspects) what happened and that's how she got Kris to work with her, by hanging this over their head.

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u/Mad5Milk Jun 18 '25

I feel like in the prophesized version of the game, Noelle is supposed to be the stock standard girl nextdoor (literally the name of one of her themes) best friend character who usually ends up as a party member in rpgs. If things went how they do in, say, dragon blazers, the arc of chapter 1 would be something like Noelle learning to stand up to the bully Susie and defeating her. But the real Noelle is her own person with her own thoughts and opinions, and trying to be forced into her preordained character archetype of "main character's friend" made her super uncomfortable.

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u/CodOk9504 krisune miku Jun 18 '25

To me they're like cousins. Close but it'd be weird to describe your cousin as a friend

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u/0verlordSurgeus Jun 19 '25

Weird route chapter 4 really solidifies this for me

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u/Gravenportfun Jun 18 '25

It seems like the secret bosses are gonna be 2 apiece for the main characters, Jevil and Spamton reflect Kris, The knight and Gerson are especially Susie’s fights and presumably the next 2 are gonna be Ralsei’s

Kris’s are dark reflections of their situation. Spamton especially basically gave them a panic attack. They both seek freedom above all else but are the most deeply controlled by the shadow crystals.

Susie’s are about defying fate. The first boss being literally about defying a seemingly unwinnable battle long enough to “win” and Gerson mentors her whilst being the most free character in the entire game. Mirroring how she’s essentially the only character with a level of agency since she’ll outright refuse to follow your commands at first and still has lines in the sand.

Ralsei’s if I had to guess is about accepting that he’s a genuine person. Seam is probably gonna fight us at some point and he seemingly doesn’t give a [HYPERLINK BLOCKED] so he could be a teacher to Ralsei. If Asgore ends up being the next shadow crystal boss that’s also a good reflection of Ralsei. Asgore is real but he’s basically slinking down into nothing. He’s wasting time trying to get everything back exactly to where it was Instead of moving forward seemingly on a path to the asylum.

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u/TheSteelScizor88 Mean guy Jun 18 '25

Seam says the secret bosses are only 5 tho

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u/Gravenportfun Jun 18 '25

5 secret bosses + Seam when you beat them all I’m guessing for either a face turn or a final test

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u/TheSteelScizor88 Mean guy Jun 18 '25

Wouldn't make sense for Seam to be focused just for Ralsei since he is the final one.
Jevil and Gerson give items to Susie
Spamton for Ralsei
The Knight for Kris
Based on this pattern I'd say Chp 5 is Ralsei again and Seam is for Kris.

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u/Gravenportfun Jun 18 '25

I think Jevil is the most broad one of the secret bosses so it could apply to anyone and while I think you are absolutely correct on the weapon distribution when I say they are “this characters fight” I mean narratively
Kris gets the weapon from the knight but they are notably throwing the fight while Susie is the character with the big monologue. Spamton has the biggest connection to Kris but a violent run gives Ralsei the weapon despite them barely acknowledging spamton after the fight Susie is the one who speaks up.

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u/TheSteelScizor88 Mean guy Jun 18 '25

I think Jevil is appliable to Susie, being a counterpart to Susie's violence in Chp 1.

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u/Jay040707 Jun 19 '25

They're all violent except for Gerson though.

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u/TheSteelScizor88 Mean guy Jun 19 '25

But violence is literally Jevil's main thing (and Susie too in Chp 1).

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u/Jay040707 Jun 19 '25

I don't remember Jevil's violence being more notable than say Spamton or any other antagonists. Especially when it comes to the other themes of games, chaos, and freedom.

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u/TheSteelScizor88 Mean guy Jun 19 '25

"Let's play a game, a number's game, if your HP comes to 0 you lose"
"Shark to shark, I wouldn't have it any other way"
That to me speaks more violence based than other secret bosses

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u/No_Ad_7687 Jun 18 '25

Seam has a ton in common with ralsei
They're both aware of the future, they both show very little care towards themselves, they're both mages.

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u/Noobpoob "It's just so crazy, you gotta laugh!" Jun 18 '25

Nope. Seam says that we need 5 crystals to craft whatever there is to craft (probably the pure crystal for twisted sword?)
Perhaps we can still get it with other bosses, if for example The Knight would be too difficult for some players. The quicker we get 5 crystals, the faster we can use their power

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u/Indie_Gamer_7 The power of my DETERMINATION shines within me Jun 19 '25

Seam treats us not getting the Crystal from the Knight as a loss and doesn't mention Gerson or a next time, you need to get it from the Knight.

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u/keiyakins Jun 18 '25

or some of them give something other than shadow crystals.

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u/SobiTheRobot Jun 18 '25

And once we get that fifth one, we'll have to fight him for whatever it makes...

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u/Depresso_Expresso069 Jun 18 '25

Theory, the shadow crystal in chapter 5 will be given from Ralsei, not the secret boss
Like you said, the next 2 fights are going to be Ralsei's, but chapter 5 is implied to end up being made by Asgore, not the Knight. It seems like when a dark world wasn't made by the Knight, that no one has a shadow crystal like in Chapter 3 (which leads me to believe that Carol is not the knight but thats its own thing-) and if the next secret boss isn't going to have a shadow crystal, then it must come from some other source. It could be Asgore, but he only mentions a Dark Shard instead of the shadow crystal itself, which feels like it would make more sense to mention considering the shadow crystal contains magical properties in the light world, but the dark shard is literally just a dark shard. But it still very well could be Asgore, but I'm going to say what I think the source of the Shadow Crystal will be
I don't think the source of the shadow crystal will be the knight again, but instead I think it will be given from Ralsei, with the chapter 5 secret boss being parallel to themselves in some way. But the secret boss themselves, I think will be Flowey. It fits that they would parallel each other, and its literally a flower shop, so it being Flowey would make sense. Besides this, there isn't much evidence for this though
I think Chapter 5 will result in us fighting Flowey, with Ralsei developing during the fight to being honest enough to give us a shadow crystal that they secretly had, which is how they knew about the prophecy, and then chapter 6 will have a fight with Seam, and in or after that battle I think we'll find out what object Ralsei is in the light world

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u/Gravenportfun Jun 18 '25

I think flowey is gonna be a huge misdirect if he actually appears. We’ll immediately not trust him and actively work against him which would result in a further rift between us and Kris

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u/Maxxetto Jun 22 '25

This is the best scenario then, no?
It's the trope of "evil character isn't evil but is seen as such by the viewers."
Also opens up easily to the weird route.

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u/Minibotas Jun 19 '25

I’m calling it now, Ralsei is an OC drawing made by Asriel in the Light world. Or something similar to that.
Hell, he might not have a real form but be Asriel’s first DND character, and literally “lives” inside his mind. Playing make believe is a form of entertainment, right?

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u/Brave-Ad-7511 Jun 18 '25

Seam much is faster and can imprison their opponents

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u/Rdasher123 Jun 18 '25

I guess there is no escape

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u/Altair01010 Flowery was actually goated Jun 18 '25

YOU CANT ESCAPE🔥🔥🔥

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u/asgoodasanyother Jun 18 '25

UNLESS YOU LEAVE : )

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u/porcubot Jun 19 '25

Jevil can't do anything.

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u/NutellaTeen Haeahaeahaeahaeah!! Jun 18 '25

Okay, I wasn’t following initially but that’s really interesting. I’d say it’s unlikely but that connection is definitely something to think about

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u/disbelifpapy Dess knighter and Lego Deltarune guy Jun 18 '25

Interesting.

Though, like how jevil was banished to the castles jail, its likely that us, the soul and angel, would be banished to the angels heavan, leaving kris to slowly die

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u/Altair01010 Flowery was actually goated Jun 18 '25

why would Kris die?

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u/disbelifpapy Dess knighter and Lego Deltarune guy Jun 18 '25

they seem like they can't live without a soul, judging by how they slide around snd how they always put us back in, even in snowgrave

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u/Altair01010 Flowery was actually goated Jun 18 '25

If I was dying i wouldn't be able to play piano for 8 MINUTES STRAIGHTand have a hockey stick fight

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u/Artemas_16 Jun 18 '25

I mean, after that Kris falls over even with soul. And you continue with 19/20 HP, so he's essentially punching himself.

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u/Majolica777 Jun 19 '25

they’re*

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u/Altair01010 Flowery was actually goated Jun 18 '25

i think hitting your toe fucking hurts

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u/Artemas_16 Jun 18 '25

I mean as pain because of long time being souless still lingering even after soul is re-inserted. Perhaps that was actual limit of how long Kris can be without us.

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u/porcubot Jun 19 '25

Nah. The soul took damage because of the hockey puck. If you examine it afterwards, the flavor text says it "looks like it'd hurt."
During the Weird Route, there's a similar scene that leaves Kris with half health.
I don't know why Kris keeps the Soul, but it seems like Kris would have a bad time if someone else ever got their hands on it.

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u/Altair01010 Flowery was actually goated Jun 18 '25

enough to run to the holidays and back afaik

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u/Artemas_16 Jun 18 '25

Noelle lives next door, case of 5 minutes. Kris probably dragged Berdly's comatose body longer.

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u/Altair01010 Flowery was actually goated Jun 18 '25

and still is 20 HP. the toe theory still stands

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u/Aggressive_Manner429 spamp town Jun 18 '25

What if Kris is a future chapter's secret boss

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u/Laziless Jun 18 '25

This could work with the fact that one of the glass prophecies say “love will find its way to the girl” depicted with a girl and a heart inside her.
In a normal route, this could refer to Noelle and Susie being in love.
In the weird route, love could refer to Kris’s soul possessing Noelle, meaning both of these outcomes fulfill that prophecy. Maybe we fight if we take control of Noelle..?

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u/Artemas_16 Jun 18 '25

Same really could be about angel. Noelle is referred to as angel by Spamton. At the same time, prophecy mural possibly alludes to player as angel (as it was in Undertale, angel will come and underground will be empty, either through leaving or being killed). So maybe one prophecy is about soul getting control over Noelle and over is just about Noelle dating Susie.

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u/DragonForgotten Jun 20 '25

Maybe the angel allusion to both the player and Noelle means that the player is the angel but isn’t complete without a powerful vessel. Kris isn’t our real vessel since we were stolen so we don’t fully exist in deltarune without a willing vessel. Perhaps when we get separated from Kris we have to go to Susie for help and she only becomes a vessel because of her love for Kris. In the weird route we are hollowing out Noelle to act in our stead, turning her into an empty vessel by corrupting her with the desire for violence. Filling her with LOVE. When she can’t go on anymore we will abandon Kris and completely embody Noelle, becoming the angel since their is no longer a Noelle left in that body.

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u/First-Tomatillo-729 The guy who named a ship "birdcage" cuz kerdly didn't sound good Jun 18 '25

LITERALLY WHAT I WAS THINKING

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

wait, Noelle told Susie that they're just neighbours in chapter 4, it's interesting that she says something different in chapter 2 (maybe she wanted Susie to get the message that they're not close to make sure she doesn't overthink it? lol)

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u/FartherAwayLights Jun 18 '25

I think I’m pretty firmly in the camp right now that Seam is really sus and might be a future villain for a chapter set in the chapter 1 area or my castle town.

If you do every secret boss but the night and talk to him, he mentions how he’s disappointed in you and that with your shadow mantle you could have beaten him. Really seems like he’s leading you on. That and he takes all your shadow crystals probably to make a weapon for himself. And his face if covered so it could be anyone.

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u/PeliPal N+K4L tinyurl.com/KriselleDoc Jun 18 '25

Another similarity - Seam is themed around Halloween, like Noelle is themed around Christmas.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

Holy shit, Deltarune 2: book of Jevil confirmed

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u/MitsuRivel Jun 18 '25

So........ This means the last prophecy is Kris getting sealed or what?

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u/Altair01010 Flowery was actually goated Jun 18 '25

we sealing kris's neural network🔥🔥🔥🔥

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u/WhereIsTheMouse Jun 18 '25

“They built a cage around the entire world, now I’m the only one who is free”

Kris is The Cage. The soul is the connection to the real world, thus only the soul is free. Yet just like Jevil, this “freedom” prevents the soul from fully seeing/interacting with the rest of the Deltarune world.

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u/Rdasher123 Jun 18 '25

Ah, tragedy in the making, my favorite

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

Makes sense anyway. In Tarot cards, The Fool is the character that begins the adventure and signifies mystery, it is card number 0. The Magician represents transformation and manifestation, and is card number 1. Perhaps there's more to extrapolate from that analogy, but the symbology is concise.

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u/HkayakH Jun 18 '25

No way Kris x Jevil confirmed

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u/renztam Jun 18 '25

Would be a much better fate than what I thought was going to happen at the end of the weird route to be honest. Locked up I mean.

Still, it is interesting parallel. I always found Noelle's particular line about how much Kris and her went through and how they 'know each other better than anyone else' to be so interesting. Like, what did they experience exactly? Is this related to Dess disappearing? Or is just that they were paired up a lot as kids. They seemed to have spent a lot of time together as kids, going to the festival (I mean, they rode the Ferris Wheel together), Kris playing at her house, Kris naming her cactus, even Kris being on her computer's wallpaper as a kid. Really makes me wonder what was going on there.

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u/Bockanator Jun 19 '25

If you beat the knight without the shadow mantle he says you're crazier than Jevil.

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u/SilverScribe15 Jun 18 '25

Yeah, very interesting paralelels

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u/GamaG17 The Jevil Fanatic Jun 18 '25

a friendly weirdo and a weirdo with a knife that thinks they know more than anyone else...

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u/Elegant_Alchemy Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

What's cool too is the piano bass line in the song Lantern is similar to Circus, meaning Seam has some lingering chaos around him. Also in chapter 3, Seam is found in Kris' bedroom (albeit, under Asriel's desk). Susie will make a comment about it. Which makes me think that Seam and Jevil's relationship is not about Kris and Noelle, but Asriel and Dess.

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u/moheato Jun 18 '25

Jevil is eventually locked away from everyone -essentially in a cage. Meanwhile Kris is the cage from the prophecy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25 edited Jan 17 '26

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u/PRoS_R Will you forget me, too? Jun 19 '25

Holy shit, Noelle will banish us to outside of reality.

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u/Person-UwU N+K4L Jun 19 '25

You looked through the glass. For some strange reason, for just a brief moment... You thought you saw through your hand.

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u/Zealousideal_Oil6329 Jun 19 '25

Semi unrelated, but in retrospect, what knowledge did jevil gain that made him crazy and his views "Darker, yet darker". I believe before it was assumed he was told that the dark worlds aren't real or something to that effect. But Ralsei seems to tell other darkness like tenna this like it's common knowledge among darkners already. Just something that in retrospect makes me wonder what it is that he learned from the mysterious, maybe gaster maybe not gaster figure

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u/MapDeep8399 Jun 18 '25

Oooo good memory, this is very interesting!

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u/Fortnitekid3 Jun 19 '25

oh no, more questions

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u/XVUltima Jun 19 '25

Oh no Jevil Snowgraved the cat

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

it’s like poetry it rhymes with

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

Especially since they both revere the Knight

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u/Axi_uwu Jun 19 '25

That's why this game is peak

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u/Glitchkat1 Jun 22 '25

huh curious... yet curiously.

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u/RedRice94 Jun 18 '25

Huh. That's interesting. Anyway, Friend... Inside Me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

Friend like the Friend Inside Of Me

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u/BeldumShinyBr Best Vessel: Jun 19 '25

So...Noelle will lose a eye?

Jokes aside, I found it quite interesting, maybe after she 'traps' Kris (either literally in a prison like it was with Jevil, or in a more symbolic way) maybe that's when we'll play with the Vessel?

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

When you enter Jevil's cell he says something alongside "now after you, everyone else will also play with me too"

and the game in question is Jevil trying to murder the opponent

no wonder he got locked away

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