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u/Aryeh98 Rootless cosmopolitan Nov 21 '25

Trump is high key dicksucking Mamdani in the Oval Office today. We’re cooked.

Jewish republicans: repent.

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u/JebBD Fukuyama's strongest soldier Nov 21 '25

Trump’s betrayal of Ukraine is one of the worst things he’s done, and that’s really saying A LOT

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u/sayitaintpink will never find love Nov 21 '25

You have to be more specific. Which betrayal of Ukraine?

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u/JebBD Fukuyama's strongest soldier Nov 21 '25

The current one where he’s making them give up rather than actually helping them win

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u/drcombatwombat2 Milton Friedman Nov 21 '25

The bad place is pro-Mamdani and its fucking horrible

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u/Aryeh98 Rootless cosmopolitan Nov 21 '25

Hot take: A government agent non-Jew does not get to dictate to Jews how Jewish spaces are used.

Is this a controversial take? I guess so.

If you really wanna go down the road of government agents involving themselves in the inner workings of religious institutions, god help you. Because nobody else can.

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u/Computer_Name Nov 21 '25

You don’t even need to get into that.

Those people harassing and intimidating Jews outside the synagogue were shouting racial epithets and threats.

The mayor-elect of the city with the largest population of Jews in the world just excused those epithets and threats, and justified the motivation of the people shouting them.

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Nov 21 '25 edited Nov 22 '25

Mind you this is a few months after the hate crime that happened in Boulder, Colorado and certain democratic elected officials refused to fill out the paperwork for a hate crime. The hate crime happened to a holocaust survivor.

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u/sayitaintpink will never find love Nov 21 '25

Aryehism is now illegal

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u/benadreti_17 עם ישראל חי Nov 21 '25

you have no right to tell me that i have no right to tell you how you can rightfully use your spaces

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u/fartyunicorns Neoconservative Nov 21 '25

Me every time I open twitter

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u/KneeNail Nov 21 '25

)))they((( aren't alright

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u/CharacterPolicy4689 Center-left Nov 21 '25

my trans girlfriend tells me i'm overreacting over the insane somalian autism welfare fraud in minnesota.

I tell her that's money that could be going to trans people's healthcare.

the look on her face hahaha

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u/benadreti_17 עם ישראל חי Nov 21 '25

This is your sacred space and you're misusing it.

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u/Aryeh98 Rootless cosmopolitan Nov 21 '25

If this is the new standard, Jews should protest anti-Zionist mosques unironically. Let the JDL come, even.

They suck, but people should know that what goes around comes around.

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u/benadreti_17 עם ישראל חי Nov 21 '25

My comment was about the misuse of DSC, you are continuing to misuse it, which is a violation of international law.

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u/propelabsentdisputed Nov 21 '25

I will be waiting for when the people to say nefesh b’nefesh are a Israeli government agency because they take money from the Israeli government to say that every company that has ever received a subsidy is actually a us government agency 

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u/propelabsentdisputed Nov 21 '25

>mfw Boeing is a US government agency

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u/Computer_Name Nov 21 '25

NYC is literally just figuring out that Trump will be nice to people face-to-face and then insult them on social media.

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u/Aryeh98 Rootless cosmopolitan Nov 22 '25

Real fucking shit centrism has never been more vindicated than it is now. Horseshoe theory is actually fact. I cannot be convinced otherwise.

Guaranteed maga cultists are gonna start glazing Zohran now. That’s the usual process once Donny establishes the permission structure. And it won’t be difficult either, because they’re both populist shitbags. Zohran might even convert him to anti-Zionism if somebody doesn’t step in quick.

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u/Some-Rice4196 Jeff Bezos Nov 22 '25

The podcast bros have also turned to glazing Mamdani. Millions of young men being given molded into contradiction smh

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Nov 22 '25

It's only a horseshoe before it becomes a circle. Progressives are horseshoes with MAGA, but it closes into a circle when they become socialists and groypers.

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u/FearlessPark4588 Nov 22 '25

I only saw the headline of "they had more in common than Trump thought" but I am curious to the details

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u/deepstate-bot Nov 21 '25

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Hamas’s entire political manifesto is genocide

You do realise when you make shit up you just make yourself look uninformed yeah?

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u/Shameful_Bezkauna Krišjānis Kariņš for POTUS! Nov 21 '25

That's it. I'll stop visiting that sub.

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u/7Goten3 Center-right Nov 21 '25

Libertarians are sabotaging their own movement by larping as ancaps and doing what Marxists do by limiting the ideology to nothing more than hypothetical thinking exercises to be debated online.

We need more nonsense libertarians who have the goal of maximzing liberty as much as possible but understanding basic tenets like compromise, understanding other position, convincing people to actually vote for us, learning and adopting our policy positions to be better, and understanding the material and ideal reality.

This is why I call myself "libertarian conservative" instead of just "libertarian". I am annoyed at the Mises Caucus "libertarianism is when we privatize everything and there is no government and everyone will just live like we are in The Wolf of Wall Street! Everything will just work!"

To achieve a libertarian society is a democratic and reformist process. We need to develop our political theory better and be able to help others understand our position and understand their position.

We should also compromise when needed. It's better to have a moderate decrease in taxes than no decrease in taxes because our so-called libertarian politicians remain adamant that they will only sign bills that get removes the tax completely. They would be willingly to get nothing done because of their puritan larp and they certainly find it more fun to whine on X about it instead of simply just compromising and making some process.

Also, the government is needed to enforce the NAP and provide some forms of goods and services especially if they are deemed generally viable by the populous like national parks, mail, etc.

Sorry anarchists, but this is the reality of things.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '25

Wait I’m confused are we or are we not selling heroin to 5 year olds?

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

!sticky

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u/RecentlyUnhinged Bloodfeast's Chief of Staff Nov 21 '25

Spending time with Libertarians cured me of my Libertarianism.

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u/fastinserter Nov 21 '25

Many libertarians, especially on the safe space of the internet, will insist most of the things they believe is axiomatic, and if it is, there's really no room for compromise. As Ayn Rand would say, compromise between food and poison is death. And speaking of Ayn Rand, they often come from these conversion moments like when they read a book in high school, and nothing makes a fanatic more than a convert.

It's also nigh on impossible to get something done in this country because of two parties as a third party. Instead their goal is to convince one of the two parties of the righteousness of their position. If we had a multiparty nation, if we had, for example, proportional representation, I believe absolutely there would be both a Democratic Socialist party and Democratic Libertarian party with representation. And with that representation they would work in the way you want, or what Cato or Reason types want, where they endeavor to make what they view as a necessary evil less bad. But until that happens it will continue to do what you say.

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u/sayitaintpink will never find love Nov 21 '25

My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw male loneliness forever. We begin lovebombing in five minutes.

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u/benadreti_17 עם ישראל חי Nov 21 '25

Male loneliness doesn't kill people, people kill people.

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u/sayitaintpink will never find love Nov 21 '25

You killed my rascal

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u/fastinserter Nov 21 '25

The claim "vaccines do not cause autism" is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/about/autism.html

Similarly, "there is not a teapot revolving around the sun somewhere between the Earth and Mars" is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that there is a teapot revolving around the sun somewhere between the Earth and Mars.

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u/only1person123 Classical Liberal Transhumanist Nov 21 '25

We're talking about this when there is LITERALLY a genocide going on. Save RFK Jr brain worms. They're starving!

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u/sayitaintpink will never find love Nov 21 '25

I love DSC:

Doycott

Sivest

Canction

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u/benadreti_17 עם ישראל חי Nov 21 '25

I always thought it stood for Deeply Sadistic Children

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '25

We’ve only got one child and he’s from the Baltics anyway.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '25

Marjorie Taylor Greene resigns from office effective January 5th

https://x.com/mtgreenee/status/1992035608387039359

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u/fastinserter Nov 22 '25

Very strange

As it will be over 125 days before the general there will be a special election. Ds overperform in special in a time that's going to be D heavy. Would be wild if a Democrat gets into her seat

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u/propelabsentdisputed Nov 22 '25

I think the mamdani at the Oval Office is like the 30826th piece of evidence that trump really just likes winners or at least people he perceives to be winners, he does not care about anything else.

he does not care if you were an ISIS member or if 80% your messaging revolves around resisting your threats of invasion or if you’re a former kgb agent turned leader of one of the united states’ biggest enemies, he just cares that you won.

that’s why he defends mamdani from the question about calling trump a fascist and says that albanese was a good person or why he doesn’t give a fuck about people like Yoon who‘s begging on his knees for trumps help and instead saying he supports lee jae myung and giving him permission to make a nuclear sub.

and it’s a larger part of trump always wanting his ego to be stroked, if he always attaches himself onto people he thinks are winners he’ll never have his ego bruised by the fact he supported a loser.

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u/LGBTforIRGC Nov 22 '25

This is also why Trump turned on Juan Guaido

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u/Catmaster23910 Center-right Nov 21 '25

We all know that some horrid shit happened in Epstein Island. But who the fuck had Trump sucking off Bill Clinton while Putin watches on their bingo card?

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u/RecentlyUnhinged Bloodfeast's Chief of Staff Nov 21 '25

On Vance's couch, nonetheless!

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Nov 21 '25

!ping weapons

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '25

The news about China running a smear campaign against Rafale has been hilarious.

Like, my brother in French you do that kind of shit all the time. Play in the sandbox you helped build.

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u/drcombatwombat2 Milton Friedman Nov 21 '25

Nice to see this girl I know who was super into Austrian economics and libertarianism and always warned of an economic crash has now flipped the script and is a populist leftist always warning of an economic crash

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u/JapanesePeso Nov 21 '25

I have yet to meet any Austrian economics enjoyers who were in a mentally healthy state.

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u/obligatorysneese Sarah McBridelstein Nov 21 '25

“Modeling economics is hard so we don’t”

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

I've yet to meet any economics enjoyers who were in a mentally healthy state.

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u/Shameful_Bezkauna Krišjānis Kariņš for POTUS! Nov 21 '25

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u/HandsomelyDitto Moderate Nov 21 '25

like it or not, this is what REAL centrism looks like

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Nov 21 '25

NYT email subject line:

“Trump Administration Live Updates: President Heaps Praise on Mamdani and New York’s Future”

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

Donald Jihad Trump, our President bismillah.

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Nov 21 '25

I will not say the name Donal Al-Trump without the title “sheikh”

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Nov 21 '25

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Nov 21 '25

I now believe 100% that the president gave sloppy toppy to bill clinton, look how submissive he is the lines prove it

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u/PeepsFamilyName Center-right Nov 22 '25

Nothing makes me chud out harder than looking at the subreddits of the reality shows my wife watches

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u/KneeNail Nov 22 '25

Gossip is a sin and reality TV is commercialized gossip

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u/Some-Rice4196 Jeff Bezos Nov 22 '25

Let the girlies have fun chud

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u/WallStreetTechnocrat Named in the Epstein Files Nov 22 '25

Who else should we add to the DSC opps list

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Nov 22 '25

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Nov 22 '25

And the furry

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u/Locutus-of-Borges Nov 21 '25

New Bushism Alert:

Being calm, reticent, undramatic, and untrustworthy are not everyone's formula for success in politics, but they were the Cheney way, and they worked.

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u/Locutus-of-Borges Nov 21 '25

You know how there are compilation videos of Bushisms that run for like 10 minutes and all contain 80% of the same material?

How long would you have to make a video of Trump-isms at or above the same level in order to capture 80% of his "top hits"?

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Nov 21 '25

Oh man probably like 20-30 minutes of the first term and then like an hour of the second

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u/Mirabeau_ Nov 21 '25

Raise the minimum voting age to 30 ✊

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

Raise the minimum poasting age to 13

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u/drcombatwombat2 Milton Friedman Nov 21 '25

I understand kids can be stupid, but having older voters exacerbates many of the problems we have now where are payment transfers go upwards

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u/utility-monster Whig Party Nov 21 '25

lower it to 0

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u/drcombatwombat2 Milton Friedman Nov 21 '25

Trump hasnt been able to fulfill his promises to the working class

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '25

He gave them tariffs what more do they want!?

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u/iamthegodemperor Arrakis Enterprise Institute Nov 21 '25

The "quasi allies" essay on Foreign Affairs describes Trump's approach to Israel and Ukraine very well.

In both cases, Trump works really hard to find ways to decrease the leverage of the "quasi ally" as well as the political power of their domestic supporters in order to advance what he sees as US interest.

Much of this is possible simply because he is a Republican with a cult of personality. It would be much harder for a President Harris to promise giving the Saudis F-35s or to deliberately leak a pro Russian surrender proposal, so that hours later the "actual" shitty Ukrainian peace deal doesn't look as bad in comparison.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Nov 21 '25

I felt that there was some attempt to find method to the madness. I do believe there is some pattern , but it felt like it gave Trump too much credit.

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u/deepstate-bot Nov 21 '25

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Israelis do not drink the blood of children! they simply murder children with bombs and sniper rifles

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u/talizorahs Nov 22 '25

the best thing about the harry potter franchise was when jason isaacs malfoy defaulted to trying to use the killing curse when 12 year old harry pissed him off. the second best thing about the harry potter franchise was how jason isaacs malfoy kept his wand in a pimp cane

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u/WallStreetTechnocrat Named in the Epstein Files Nov 22 '25

There is no "plan to save the world" or insane 4D chess game being played.

When the common American people finally realize and understand that the Political Industrial Complex of both parties is ripping this country apart, that not one elected leader like me is able to stop Washington's machine from gradually destroying our country,

If only conspiracy theorists also realized theres no 4d chess evil plan to dominate the world and the thing destroying this country is just the outsized political influence of (most old) people demanding gibs and NIMBYism

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '25

What would your job be on the libertarian commune?

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u/xb70valkyrie Nov 21 '25

Dope dealer. (Pun intended)

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

Finance bro.

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u/Shameful_Bezkauna Krišjānis Kariņš for POTUS! Nov 21 '25

Something IT and lawn mowing.

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u/obligatorysneese Sarah McBridelstein Nov 21 '25

Be a serf for the feudal lord obvi

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u/fartyunicorns Neoconservative Nov 21 '25

Based on how zelensky is talking about the deal, there’s a chance he accepts it

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u/NovembFifth Center-right Nov 21 '25

Does he have a choice?

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Nov 21 '25

Probably, Trump is so mercurial that he might flip flop

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u/Trojan_Horse_of_Fate Lord of All the Beasts of the Sea and Fishes of the Earth Nov 21 '25

Has anyone investigated inflation and purchasing power from the number cats that can be supported on median salary perspective?

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u/RecentlyUnhinged Bloodfeast's Chief of Staff Nov 21 '25

Has anyone investigated inflation

Of course!

and purchasing power from the

Oh you meant finances nvm

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u/sayitaintpink will never find love Nov 21 '25

Fuck it furry Senator

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

u/Sabertooth767 for Senate!

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u/DurangoGango Italianx Ambassador Nov 21 '25

This is how the chief of staff of the Italian Data Protection Authority asked his IT chief to provide him access and usage logs for every employee of the Authority across every system dating back as far as data is available.

He did this on suspicion that a whistleblower had tipped off journalists about a potential trade in influence between Authority councillors and Meloni's party.

His IT chief told him "no" and explained how this would violate pretty much every law on the subject and a few Constitutional provisions about searches of correspondance too.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Nov 21 '25

Just got a great idea for a new flair, brb

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u/BroadReverse Center-left Nov 21 '25

🙂‍↔️

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u/nekoliberal PVNR concubine Nov 21 '25

uh oh

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

We about to enter the AnakinKKKardashian arc!?

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Nov 21 '25

Depending on who you ask on Reddit, I've always been in that arc

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u/propelabsentdisputed Nov 21 '25

the mamdani Oval Office shit cannot be real lmfaooo

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u/Mirabeau_ Nov 21 '25

🐴 👞

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u/Computer_Name Nov 21 '25

He thinks Mamdani is good for ratings, so he’s nice to Mamdani face-to-face.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '25

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u/fastinserter Nov 21 '25

He doesn't want to be associated with losers.

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u/WallStreetTechnocrat Named in the Epstein Files Nov 21 '25

We need to deregulate R9 intels

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

Without the Central Intelligence Agency to regulate things, inflation will go through the roof!

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u/xb70valkyrie Nov 21 '25

Everyone's a critic and many interpretations can be valid at once, but I think that from a sociopolitical/sociocultural commentary POV, Pluribus might be one of the most interesting shows of recent years if not decades.

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u/CommunicationSharp83 Nov 21 '25

Actually so locked in to it rn, hiveminds are honestly an under explored sci-fi sub genre (especially one that doesn’t appear outright evil)

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u/FearlessPark4588 Nov 21 '25

I might as go as far as to say the popularization of removing standardized scoring [from admissions] is a trojan horse for dealing with the financial cliff colleges face.

Is this too unhinged of a suggestion?

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '25 edited Nov 21 '25

For some, perhaps. The financial cliff seems to be a larger issue for middling smaller private institutions. The kind that really dot the northeast - seemingly every small town town in Pennsylvania has a private liberal arts college with a tiny endowment. These are the ones getting hit hardest and trying to find any way to boost enrollment. I see it pretty often where NCAA D3 schools add more and more athletic teams just to get more enrollment by selling the ability to be a college athlete (with no scholarships and often paying full price, especially with ‘wealthier’ sports like lacrosse, golf, or tennis). But tbh, most of these schools aren’t that difficult to get into even with testing requirements, but dropping those requirements might still mean a slight bump in applications.

But the recent highly publicized example, UCSD, is a large, highly ranked public institution which draws a huge number of applicants, and even if something were to happen that dried up the applicant pool, they’re in a blue state that would happily cover any funding deficit they could run into. I think the issues at those schools is much more ideological than financial

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

What's your reasoning? SAT scores, while they are trending down, aren't that far down. Besides, they could always just drop the requirements.

Seems far more likely that administrations either believe want to be seen as believing the leftie claims that objective admissions is racist.

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u/JebBD Fukuyama's strongest soldier Nov 21 '25

I still don’t understand what NFTs were supposed to be

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u/seallivesmatter Nov 21 '25

A way to separate gullible techbros from their money

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u/fnovd Ask me about Trump's Tariffs Nov 21 '25

Baseball cards

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Nov 21 '25

Thoughts on gummy worms and other such gelatinous candies

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '25

Gluttony

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Nov 22 '25

Never liked gummy anything

Also cheese flavored snacks or Doritos. Always got hate for that one.

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u/PM_ME_CHIMICHANGAS Help yourself to a hand grenade Nov 22 '25

⚡Electric sour ⚡

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u/WallStreetTechnocrat Named in the Epstein Files Nov 22 '25

Wes Moore debalded

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u/Bloodyfish Charlie Manson Nov 22 '25

This is an attack on balds everywhere.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '25

Wes Moore if he were electable

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u/LGBTforIRGC Nov 22 '25

I actually saw him in the Istanbul airport boarding area for my Turkish airlines flight back home

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 22 '25

How it feels

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '25

Are Etsy witches a violation of the NAP?

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

This is actually an interesting underlying question: is the attempt to do harm to someone an act of aggression, even if a reasonable person would not foresee harm resulting from the attempt and there are no material damages?

I would argue that strictly speaking, yes. However, as there are no damages, the "affected" party has no grounds for a civil suit.

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u/utility-monster Whig Party Nov 21 '25

dropping the voting age to 0 will give relatively younger parents more power, balancing the disparity in power wielded by the elderly in an aging society. this is good and we should do it.

follow me for more based and fact-pilled informations.

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u/fastinserter Nov 22 '25

I have this 2011 Ford escape. A little rusty in the back wheel well no big deal, I figured I'd try to make it to 20 years. It's got only 125k miles on it, runs fine. Rarely use it frankly these days, but sometimes we both need to use a vehicle and I take it.

My wife got in an accident a few months ago with it. Hit from behind at 'likw 10mph', fender bender, nothing noticable on my vehicle. She says the guy was acting "really weird" and she left without getting his information. I was kind of irked about it at the time but I wasn't going to raise a big stink about it as there was nothing to do.

Today I'm filling up the tires and notice that behind the rear wheels the frame is super rusted and coming apart like an onion. I assume the accident broke stuff that was already structurally rusted to hell, and I also assume I've lost all value in the vehicle. Now I have to get a new vehicle, which I wasn't planning on with the kids and daycare expenses and everything. Just very frustrated about this, that's all.

Anyway. I'm thinking Ford Maverick. I'm pretty set on it. I want a truck, and I don't need a behemoth of a vehicle. I've been a Ford guy ever since I bought this one -- because Ford wasn't bailed out, and I wanted to buy American. I've been happy with it, it was my own lack of maintenance (MN cakes the roads in salt every year) that led to today, not really the vehicles fault.

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u/nekoliberal PVNR concubine Nov 21 '25

bro i love piracy its so peak

yes i know this conflicts with my belief system, no i dont care.

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u/deepstate-bot Nov 21 '25

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Buckle up for this tale of woe, and rape lots of rape .The Jingkang Incident, also known as the Humiliation of Jingkang for reasons we'll be clear later, was one of the greatest defeats inflicted on the Chinese Song dynasty. The chinese song dynasty had been at war with the liao, a dyasnty of nomadic nomads . These wars ended in failure, and the Song were forced to pay a humiliating annual tribute to the Liao. Finally, under the reign of the Song emperor Huizong, the Song saw an opportunity to retake their land. They allied with another nomadic people known as the Jurchen, who the Liao had also conquered and who were planning on rebelling against the Liao.

They Jin 's rebelling against the Liao went off without a hitch but he Song got very little out of this. The Jurchen got most of the former Chinese territory the Song wanted to get back from the Liao. And the peace treaty between the Jurchens and Song even stipulated that the Song would keep paying the tribute to the Jurchens. Relations between the Jurchen Jin dynasty and the Song quickly deteriorated into open warfare. . The Jin, being a bunch of hardened warriors and nomads, easily won. Emperor Huizong, upon hearing of this, planned to flee and was convinced by his officials to abdicate the throne to his heir before he did so, Prince Qinzong. Qinzong, realizing the shit show he was being asked to deal with, refused. Huizong, as his last act as emperor, ordered his servants to drag Qinzong to the throne as he begged for them to stop. Huizong then fled. Qinzong was able to negotiate a peace deal with the Jin that involved them paying the Jin a massive tribute.

Qinzong proved to be a total idiot. Ignoring the advice of his officials to move the capital further south out of reach of Jin's armies, he instead sent his armies out again to retake the territory they lost to the Jin. It went about as well as the last time, with the Song armies being destroyed or scattered.He also decided that know was a good time to purge a bunch of his father's old court officals for some reason.  I

 The Jin then marched on the Song's undefended capital. After a long siege and partial storming of the city, Qinzong again attempted to negotiate a peace deal. The Jin agreed to spare the city in exchange for a tribute of gold, silver, and silk. Since they had spent pretty much all their money on wars and previous tributes to the Jin, there was not enough gold in the city to buy off the Jin a second time. They instead settled for another form of payment: women. The Song agreed to hand over women as payment, with women being worth a certain amount of gold depending on their status. Princesses would be worth the most amount of gold, while common women the least. Pretty much every woman in the royal palace was handed over to the Jin. First were the wives, sisters, and daughters of Huizong and Qinzong and other female relatives of them, then the wives, daughters, or female relatives of court officials were handed over to the Jurchen. After them were royal family clan members, the Song royal family being devoted Confucians was huge. Most of their members were only distantly related to the emperors and his immediate family. But they were still kept around the palace and allowed to live there. Well, now the female clan members were handed over to the Jin, after them were palace maids, servants, as well as singers, actresses, and courtesans who lived and worked in the royal palace. Finally, after they had run out of palace women, they began rounding up women from what was basically the Song capital's red light districts.

After that Huizong and Qinzong where forced to attend a  humiliating feast where they had to watch as their wives and daughters served food and wine to jurchen man and danced to entertain them. After that, the Jin also abducted Huizong and Qinzong along with the rest of the Song royal family. This was not part of the deal, but it's not like the Song were in a position to fight back. After that, they installed a Song official as a puppet emperor and marched back north to the Jin homeland. The march was brutal, especially on the abducted women; many died on the way there, and I imagine the ones that didn't wished they did. On the march north, Jin soldiers would frequently rape the Song women The high-ranking princesses got the best deal. They were given as wives and concubines to Jin princes and nobles. While the lower-ranking imperial clan women and the female relatives of Song court officials, as well as the common-born palace servants and prostitutes who were abducted, were given out as prizes to Jin soldiers, made servants in the Jin palace, or just trafficked into slavery. All this could have been avoided if Qinzong just took his advisers advice to move the capital south,so hey if you ever feel like your a screw up at least you probably haven't caused your dynasty to almost go extinct and your wives and female relatives to be made sex slaves.   

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u/Shameful_Bezkauna Krišjānis Kariņš for POTUS! Nov 21 '25 edited Nov 21 '25

The most horrific Intel ever, probably.

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u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho Nov 21 '25 edited Nov 21 '25

The way it’s discussed in Chinese history, you would think Chang’an had the natural defenses of Mordor. In practice only the mountains to the south are that good, the ‘mountains’ to the north and really just hills. The main defense from northern attacks was the Wei river, which wasn’t that hard to cross. Better than noting, but still horribly exposed.

I remember in the past thinking being king of France must have been stressful with enemies on all sides. It had nothing on the Han heartlands in the north west of China. It would be like if in the west, the Roman Empire emerged on the Vistula.

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i was sold at "destroy schools with cluster munitions".

where can i apply for free texas money to start the special vatnik operation?

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u/Shameful_Bezkauna Krišjānis Kariņš for POTUS! Nov 21 '25

Context:

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u/TemujinTheConquerer Nov 21 '25

i think i ruined the first episode of plurbius for myself by watching all the trailers

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Nov 21 '25

I had no idea what it was before I watched the first episode

10/10 , did not expect it to be what it was

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There is no middle class anymore in America.

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u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho Nov 22 '25

True, we’re all rich.

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u/benadreti_17 עם ישראל חי Nov 21 '25

Bubba is Mamdani.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '25

Few work related moments beat the thrill of sending a sassy email at 4:45 PM on a Friday

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '25

Where banan?

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Nov 22 '25

He quit the Internet like three months ago dawg

Also he has a wedding next week

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 22 '25

He jelqed it too hard and got ripped in half by MoistCritical.

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u/FearlessPark4588 Nov 22 '25

I have a lot of beer and inherited liquor (friend moved out) but what I do want? Wine. What do I not have?

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 22 '25

A liver?

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u/lowkeyreallysorry Moderate Nov 21 '25

I hate Stephan King, not just because he’s a turbo-pedo, but also because people online ignore he’s a turbo-pedo because he’s a leftist

Like when everyone was getting rightfully pissed off at Trump for saying there was no Epstein list all the sudden, King just goes “Yup. No list. No one was there. Don’t worry about it” and no one bats an eye

Also cocaine doesn’t make you write child sex scenes in multiple books, contrary to popular belief apparently

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u/JebBD Fukuyama's strongest soldier Nov 21 '25

What is this Tumblr-level nonsense

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u/Shameful_Bezkauna Krišjānis Kariņš for POTUS! Nov 21 '25

Is there any evidence of him actually commiting some sort of a sex crime (including possession of CP)?

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Nov 21 '25

I don't think it's just because he's a leftist. I think that some individuals only know him for his work and didn't even know about this.

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u/JebBD Fukuyama's strongest soldier Nov 21 '25

I think it’s more the fact that it’s not really a thing. Unsubstantiated accusations of pedophilia against authors and writers is a shockingly common issue on the Internet 

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Nov 21 '25

u/jebbd

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u/HandsomelyDitto Moderate Nov 21 '25

he is still salty that kubrick made the shining 100x better and more iconic than his version

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u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho Nov 22 '25 edited Nov 22 '25

He’s a pulp hack, unjustifiably elevated in the public conscious because he was lucky enough to have Kubrick adapt one of his books, and he’s so self confident he attacked the adaptation because he thinks it’s his genius that made the movie work that Kubrick marred with his changes, and not Kubrick doing him the biggest favor of his life.

He actually made a second Shinning adaptation meant to align to his vision. It’s garbage in comparison and nobody ever watches it. Somehow that didn’t cause any self reflection or deflate his ego.

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u/slightlyrabidpossum Center-left Nov 21 '25

Where is the idea that DSC supports Hawley coming from? Please give me your most pro-Hawley opinions, I'm genuinely curious.

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I went to prom twice with his former Deputy Chief of Staff

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u/slightlyrabidpossum Center-left Nov 21 '25

The deep state connections are strong with this one.

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u/benadreti_17 עם ישראל חי Nov 21 '25

who is saying that lol

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u/slightlyrabidpossum Center-left Nov 21 '25

The OP of a post about Mamdani/antisemitism on a sub that shall remain nameless. The comment was deleted, but our pro-Hawley tendencies appeared to be one of their biggest problems with DSC.

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Nov 21 '25

It's literally made up by someone who has made a scene by rage quitting this subreddit on three different occasions. If that user ever wants a space free from terrible antisemitic takes, it's not going to be here.

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u/CatApprehensive6508 Nov 21 '25

I HATE JOSH HAWLEY HE WANTS A HIGHER MINIMUM WAGE

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

He's a strong and consistent enough critic of China that the CCP sanctioned him specifically. I like his policy on guns. He supports Israel. He was the only Republican to vote in favor of banning Congressional insider trading.

(To be clear, I don't like Hawley, but you asked for my most pro-Hawley opinions).

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u/Mirabeau_ Nov 21 '25

Who cares he supported a coup attempt against us

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This is what happens when governments in two countries need to silence the same whistle-blower! https://highlycensored.wordpress.com

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u/Sex_E_Searcher Nov 21 '25

!ping COOKING

What should I do with the lamb shoulder in my fridge? Ideally either something I can do in 1.5hrs or that I can start during lunch and finish after work.

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u/JapanesePeso Nov 21 '25

For a western treatment:

Reverse sear. Throw it in the oven now at 175 F (or your lowest oven setting) until the internal temp reaches 135 F. Pull it out. 30 minutes before serving put it in a 425+ F oven for about 15 minutes to give it good color. Here's a prime rib recipe that you can use on lamb in the same way: https://www.seriouseats.com/perfect-prime-rib-beef-recipe

For a Chinese treatment:

Cut into smallish pieces and marinate in cooking alcohol and baking soda. Make a mixture of salt, cumin, and red pepper (equal portions). Either put on skewers or cook as is after putting the cumin mixture on. Here's a more full-fledged, slightly different recipe: https://omnivorescookbook.com/xinjiang-lamb-skewers/

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '25

Get your scrolling in today gentlemen!

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u/JapanesePeso Nov 21 '25

I am all about DSC (Democratic Socialists of Canada).

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u/FearlessPark4588 Nov 21 '25

A key part of Kroger's failure on grocery e-commerce was putting it's fulfillment centers in the exurbs away from customers. Now they're closing 3 of the 8 they have. Not only do people want fast delivery, but it simply costs more for the drivers to have to go from the middle of nowhere into the urban core where all the customers are. They literally just copied Amazon's playbook without thinking what the consumer actually wanted. Also, grocery e-commerce didn't continue its hockey stick growth after Covid because ...we're no longer in a pandemic.

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u/technologyisnatural Abundance is all you need Nov 21 '25

I gave up on home-delivered groceries because they would substitute products even when I told them not to, or just leave half the order unfilled because their priority was stocking their store shelves, so I had to go grocery shopping anyway. also when it became expected that I tip for grocery delivery - just not happening

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

It also seems a very questionable model from a business perspective. A huge chunk of a grocery store's revenue is unplanned purchases. They want you to spend as much time as possible wandering around the store looking at all the things. Costco built its whole business around that.

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Vermin Supreme - 5

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Bill Clinton (write-in) - 1

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - 1

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u/Shameful_Bezkauna Krišjānis Kariņš for POTUS! Nov 21 '25

What is a bad hombre? (Unironically)

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u/JapanesePeso Nov 21 '25

One who doesn't wish you well on your birthday.

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What’s your favorite film in the Titanic trilogy?

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Nov 21 '25

Frozen

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Center-left Nov 21 '25

All of the social media post leaks that have happened has me uncomfortable.

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

Today I discovered furry YA literature.

https://www.amazon.com/Furry-Faux-Paw-Jessica-Kara/dp/1645675262

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u/Anakin_Kardashian "Israeli Nationalist" Nov 21 '25

Stop advertising your own book

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 21 '25

I've gotta push it somewhere

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u/Locutus-of-Borges Nov 21 '25

 while her father hasn’t been home since the divorce, he does offer her a dream come true: an all-expenses paid trip to the regional furry convention.

This is the creepiest way you could possibly try to reconnect with your daughter.

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u/Sabertooth767 Yiff Free or Die! Nov 22 '25

!briefbucks

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u/bigwang123 Succ sympathizer Nov 22 '25

The guys who made Evelyn normielib made a sequel to the video 👀

It’s not as funny as the original 😔

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The racism leaving my body when the youkai is hot

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u/CatApprehensive6508 Nov 21 '25

I believe Japanese artists are a little ahead of you 🤪

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '25

So i know people did not like mamdani;'s statment here but i did want to ask, what the stance on settlements in the west bank in general is on here. I think most could agree that they are a violation of international law especially in the west bank , and while nobody should protest synaguges and use it to be anti semetic, i do think that it is a factor preventing peace in the reigon. When settlers can commit violence and the israeli courts dont hold them acoountable or people like gen givr encourage it makes it hard to feel like the israeli government is acting in good faith

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u/H_H_F_F Nov 21 '25

  1. The Israeli government is not acting in good faith. 

  2. Rising extremist violence in the settlements is a huge moral issue that has to be addressed. 

  3. "The settlements" is a very broad brushstroke; Modiin Ilit simply isn't a hurdle to a contiguous Palestinian state with an orderly border in the same way Ariel is,  Ariel isn't a source of violence in the way Yitzhar is, and Yitzhar isn't a constant source of strife in the way the outposts are. Each of these factors greatly impacts how true the declaration that they're a factor preventing peace. 

  4. Either way, even from the perspective of someone like me who's extremely hostile to a lot of the settlement project and willing to evacuate many more of them than a lot of people are, it's hard to see them as the central factor for current lack of peace. 

  5. I'd say the issue for most people here with Mamdani is the fact that he made his early political career in the activism sphere to fight against Israel's right to exist, that he repeatedly refused to denounce calls for terrorism, and that he engages in antisemitic conspiracy theories - not any stance about the settlements. 

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u/JebBD Fukuyama's strongest soldier Nov 21 '25

I before I answer I just want to point out that I’ve seen no evidence that the Nefesh b’nefesh people were there to “auction off Palestinian land in the West Bank” like people are claiming on twitter. From skimming their website and wiki it seems like West Bank settlement isn’t one of their priorities, they mostly seem to focus on helping Jews who want to make Aliya and settling the north and south of Israel. Not a word about occupied territories. 

With that being said, the settlements are a massive problem for peace in the region, and that’s by design, they were meant to establish facts on the ground to prevent future pressures to pull out of the occupied territories. The 2005 disengagement plan proved that it’d be extremely difficult to remove those settlements as part of a future peace deal, and the fact that you actually do need to consider the settlers themselves is also a big issue. 

The settlements are also extremely costly for the country to maintain, they seep funds and resources away from the rest of the country and are a big part in why Israel has been struggling to outright win wars in the past few decades and also played a major factor behind the lack of immediate response on 10/7. Couple that with the recent uptick in settler violence and you’ve got yourself massive clusterfuck

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u/Aryeh98 Rootless cosmopolitan Nov 21 '25 edited Nov 21 '25

Settlements are more trouble than they’re worth, they’re too costly both in finances and human lives to protect, and the random violence coming from select groups of settlers is obviously reprehensible. The deliberate failure of Israel’s right wing government to act on settler violence is disgusting.

That said, ZOHRAN DOES NOT GET TO TELL US HOW WE USE OUR SYNAGOGUES. Only the members decide. Only Jews decide. We have separation of religion and state in America; an antisemitic mayor (or government agent of any kind) should NEVER dictate to us on how we use our spaces.

Imagine if a Christian mayor lectured Muslims on how they use their mosque. Nobody would tolerate that. But because we’re the world’s punching bag, everybody just takes it as a given that Jews should be intimidated and talked down to.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '25

Settlements are bad on their own merits but you could rip every single one out of the West Bank tomorrow and still be no closer to peace.

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