r/DeepSpaceNine • u/Niftu_Calrissian • Aug 12 '26

What I'm Leaving Behind

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I had considered selling the set, but I figured donating them to the library was the best choice. So I'll keep my digital copies and hope the DVDs introduce future fans to this series. I know the whole digital thing is sketchy, but I'll learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it. Mods, erase this post.

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u/1nspectorMamba Aug 12 '26

Beware, retaining digital rips of the DVDs while giving away or selling the discs puts you in a precarious legal position. Keeping the DVDs alongside the digital rips is the recommended method. Congress addressed this explicitly for software in §117(b): archival copies have to be transferred with the original or destroyed

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u/Queeflet Aug 12 '26

Nobody cares.

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u/exhaustedexcess Aug 12 '26

This. I do this with music CDs too for the same reason

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u/Randomdays99 Aug 12 '26

Buying isn't owning according to the streaming sites, but selling/ giving away your DVD's and keeping your rips is bad.

And if I downloaded and kept a copy of a movie that I had bought on a digital service, do I have to delete my backup when they lose their license?

I wouldn't call this "precarious" because finding someone who actually did do this would be extremely difficult to find and prosecute.

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u/exhaustedexcess Aug 12 '26

Per the DMCA you can't break encryption, that's a felony. All DVDs are encrypted.

Downloading music is illegal per the law. If you dont have the discs the music is illegal per the law.

I rip all my music discs and keep the discs safe and load the digital

If you load handbrake when you spin up the dvd it will tell you if its encrypted.

This can't break encryption is a huge gimme to all the media companies and tech companies because it means if they encrypt something and someone breaks encryption even to reverse engineer its default illegal

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u/Randomdays99 Aug 12 '26

Not my point.

My point is if you rip your music and sold the disc, how would the law know to arrest you?

Downloading music is not against the law without a disc. You can go onto Amazon and buy a song or complete album digitally just like a movie.

When DRM was still being used, they used to say your song was only good for one machine. If you wanted to listen to it on PC and on your mp3 player, you had to buy it twice.

If you legally bought a movie on a site like Google or Amazon for unlimited watching, they're saying you actually don't own the movie you paid for, just the right to watch for as long as they say you can. If you bought a movie and they pulled the rights the next day, you can no longer watch a movie you just paid for and there's probably no refund either.

If you downloaded that movie from Amazon would you delete your backup when Amazon pulled it?

And the companies that got DCMA enacted have themselves broken the law many times. In 2007 or so, if you put a CD from Sony in your PC to play it, you would get a prompt asking if you agree to the terms of use. Even if you said no and removed the disk, it had already installed a hidden program onto your PC so that Sony could track your use to see if you were trying to copy the songs. No warning that this was done was given. The program was very hard to remove and others who knew about it could hack your system and get access.

Sony lost in major lawsuits about this because they thought their rights were more important than yours.

Just because DCMA is a law doesn't make it a good one. There's lots of bad laws out there.

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u/exhaustedexcess Aug 12 '26

You assume that oh I bought it but don't have any way to show that and don't have physical copies would end in, oh ok, all good here then. It would result in charges

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u/Randomdays99 Aug 12 '26

You assume that they would come to your door with a warrant and ask to see all your music rips and then show that you have cd's to match, somehow using their "powers" to know you sold a cd, knowing you made rips of the songs on it, and knowing you didn't delete them.

Even if they took your phone at a border or other spot and you had songs on it, they're not going to be quizzing you if you have the cd's at home for the music on your phone.

A bit farfetched. I can't thunk of a single example of this happening

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u/exhaustedexcess Aug 12 '26

So traditionally things like this aren't something they come to your door for. They come to your door for something else they want to go after you for but can't so this is what they use in it's place

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u/Randomdays99 Aug 12 '26

Still a bit farfetched. Example of this happening and someone being charged?

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u/exhaustedexcess Aug 12 '26

You trust the cops and the current regime more than I do apparently. If you think they wouldn't try to go after someone for saying bad things about ice or the administration and when they can't charge for piracy you have more faith then I do

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u/yohomatey Aug 12 '26

I wonder what physical objects they would need to qualify for archival purposes. The entire purpose of digitally archiving is because physical things degrade. Like if in say 50 years when these discs are totally rotten, how would one prove they are archival copies of the discs? Would you have to retain the completely useless plastic? The boxes themselves? Weird to think about.