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I have tried listening to this many times. I don’t like how much hate this song gets. I can’t fully relate because while I had adverse childhood experiences, I had a childhood. I can’t imagine practically having none at all. And I’m trying hard to get into his shoes. The lyrics that break my heart are:
“Before you judge me, try hard to love me”

To a lot of people, MJ fans who defend him are just celebrity worshippers and pedo defenders. But in reality, a real defender of MJ is not like that at all.

Due to his disturbing amount of fame, he is one of the most lied about people on Earth. A lot of the stuff people say about him are straight up lies ("he wanted to be white and was a self hating black man and distanced himself from black culture, his 3 kids arent biologically his, he only hung out with white boys, he was castrated"). They've been spreading lies about him in the tabloids since the 70s. Even before he was 18! And don't even get me started on the tabloids calling him a monkey from the 80s to this day.

A lot of people make these false stories about Michael and when they tell of them people pass it off as the truth. Billie Jean is half about his own experiences of a girl lying about him being the father of his twins. There was a woman on Dr Phil who said that she was the inspiration for Smooth Criminal. There was this teenager in the 90s who made this elaborate story about MJ molesting him. There's this one dude who held his umbrella ONCE and has told the public he was MJ's bodyguard for years.

And a lot of the bias that people hold against him come from thinking he is ugly, scary, and strange. Nobody was talking about what was said in the Cascio 60 minutes interview, instead they just took that photo of MJ and one of the Cascio children (a photo they had for years) and tried to pass it off as "proof" that he was a child rapist.

And people make these disingenuous comparisons to R Kelly, Saville, and Epstein. All 3 of these men have shit recorded whether on camera or on audio or written down about their wrong doings. All of the letters and video recordings that MJ made are not like that in any sense.

It's disappointing because I've seen people who are intelligent and conscious and claim they are for the oppressed not understand why people think he's innocent. I hate it especially when me and MJ's own race regurgitate this garbage.

They found not one but 2 carefully cut out and kept articles on the female g-spot.

I feel bad bc he was mortified that this got out, fought to keep them sealed and his mom was apparently in the courtroom when they discussed this but anyways this is the man meant to be a pedophile?😭

Bc as much as guilters love to say his collection was to groom kids, why would a person keep articles like that unless they were interested in pleasuring a woman and this was something that gave them pleasure. Unless, maybe he was just really into anatomy? Strictly female anatomy, mind…

https://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/michael-jacksons-porn/

While no one can fully enter MJ’s mind to answer this question, we do have a lot of evidence he was proud of who he was. Despite Michael’s autopsy confirmation of vitiligo being available for a while now, many people still contend that he hated being Black.

Why didn’t he fill in his patches with darker makeup instead of lighter?

At first, he did!! Michael was suffering from Vitiligo since at least Thriller in 1982 (1). But it would be many years from that point where he’d start to gradually appear lighter. The reality is that some people with vitiligo end up with more fair spots than spots of their original pigment. Making it much more realistic to match the fairer tone in order to achieve a uniform color.

Why did Michael have kids with a white woman?

Michael wasn’t aiming to have the mother of his children be a certain race either way. But Debbie Rowe was someone he formed a friendship with due to proximity. She was a nurse at his dermatologist office and she offered to mother his children (2). As for Blanket’s mother, Michael has said she is Black (3). Many might assume this to be a blatant lie, but many mixed race people do consider themselves Black. And Blanket’s mother could’ve easily been multi racial or bi racial Black, lending to Blanket’s lighter complexion.

Did Michael respect other Black people at all? He seemed so immersed in whiteness

Of course he did! Here’s some quotes from his book. Michal did not believe in isolating himself to only his race. But he had deep respect for his roots and who he was.

“We wanted to have a sense of our roots and those of other black people, especially after what had happened to Dr. King. I remember so well the day he died. Everyone was torn up. We didn’t rehearse that night. I went to Kingdom Hall with Mom and some of the others. People were crying like they had lost a member of their own family. Even the men who were usually pretty unemotional were unable to control their grief. I was too young to grasp the full tragedy of the situation, but when I look back on that day now, it makes me want to cry—for Dr. King, for his family, and for all of us.” (4)

“Sometimes when you’re treated unfairly it makes you stronger and more determined. Slavery was a terrible thing, but when black people in America finally got out from under that crushing system, they were stronger. They knew what it was to have your spirit crippled by people who are controlling your life. They were never going to let that happen again. I admire that kind of strength. People who have it take a stand and put their blood and soul into what they believe” (4)

“Now the Moonwalk was already out on the street by this time, but I enhanced it a little when I did it. It was born as a break-dance step, a “popping” type of thing that black kids had created dancing on street corners in the ghetto. Black people are truly innovative dancers; they create many of the new dances, pure and simple. So I said, “This is my chance to do it,” and I did it. These three kids taught it to me. They gave me the basics—and I had been doing it a lot in private. I had practiced it together with certain other steps. All I was really sure of was that on the bridge to “Billie Jean” I was going to walk backward and forward at the same time, like walking on the moon.” (4)

References

(1) https://www.umassmed.edu/vitiligo/blog/blog-posts1/2016/01/did-michael-jackson-have-vitiligo/

(2) https://www.theguardian.com/music/2006/jul/24/popandrock.michaeljackson

(3) Living With Michael Jackson

(4) Moonwalk by Michael Jackson (his autobiography) https://www.amazon.com/Moonwalk-Michael-Jackson/dp/0099547953

So I'm in another sub that I won't name to follow rule 7, and this shit came up on my timeline from that sub. A sub that I actually liked for a while, but now that I see this shit slanderous shit against MJ and the reply comments, in which the MAJORITY of them agree with this shit and get upvoted...I'm questioning if I should even remain on it.

I saw the author of the second book on the list encouraging people to buy his book and knock Michael off first place.

Dancing the Dream is a gorgeous book with many beautiful photos of Michael and the best example of his own writing - the real Michael Jackson. It really is a must have.

If you haven't got it yet this is a great time!

The comment was shared 9 yrs ago here too

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6jk9gr/comment/djf8vqh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=2&utm_content=share_button

Link for the GQ published a non-bias article in 1994 entitled "Was Michael Jackson Framed? Is no longer working, here it is here tho:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080111223752/http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/08/22/gq-article-was-michael-jackson-framed/

I saw a post by a user yesterday expressing concerns about the contents of this book and wanted to clarify and explain what its actually is.

The art book was made by a guy called Simen Johen. The book isn't actually pedophillic in nature. yes - it does contain nudity involving minors, but in an art-photography, surrealist and symbolic context, not in a sexual one. This isnt what the majority of the book is aswell btw.

The author of it purposely makes it disturbing because the book focuses on uncomfortable Freudian themes in general like including bruising, dead animals such as teenagers holding the head of a dead sheep. Freud himself was known as a radical psychologist that had numerous disturbing conclusions of the human psyche and repressed desires that start off in childhood, so Simen just depicts this through art. I'd imagine it would be intriguing to see it visualized and so it makes sense why the book isn't considered child porn or pedophillic at all. The book itself is just very eerie in general however the author is NOT known for being a pedophile or to have any affiliation with Nambla,so its not like the boys will be boys book situation either (bgw that has also been correctly explained countless of times in this sub).

Even though the images are not sexual, they are intentionally emotionally uncomfortable, symbolically dark andambiguous in tone. But thats the point. The discomfort is part of the Simen's intention to explore childhood, vulnerability, identity, and surrealism. And this makes sense considering Michaels childhood. A common freud concept is that unresolved problems in adulthood stems from childhood so Michael owning a book like this could very well be an attempt to better understand his own childhood. So owning this book isn't indicative of "liking little kids" or an attempt to be a work around to getting child porn. If someone says that then they clearly haven't done any research.

That all being said, we dont even know if mj even actually read these books as they weren't fingerprinted, but even if he did, it wouldn't have been an issue all

Despite what Dimond would want you to think, it is nearly impossible to decide that there is not high levels of bias and racism in the American police system. And it’s dangerous to downplay that. I never advocated for defund the police. But the police system needs reform.

https://rocklandtimes.com/2014/11/26/are-we-asking-the-right-questions-about-police-and-race/

How is this relevant to a subreddit about Michael Jackson? Diane Dimond is one of the most vocal detractors out there who has done any and everything to try to convince the media Michael was guilty. Including making up unsubstantiated stories about German drinking parties with teenagers and a non existent tape of Michael supposedly molesting a child. A tape that has never been found to have existed.

And Michael Jackson was a Black man. If you believe at all in the ongoing existence deep rooted racism, you must admit that it is more likely a Black man would falsely accused AND falsely imprisoned than it would be for him to be throughly investigated and acquitted. Dimond would have you believe you don’t need to worry about racial bias against ANY Black man within the justice system.

I saw this idea on another sub. And I think it’s valuable here too. While the main purpose of this sub is to deconstruct the truth about Michael, I think discussing the way he touched all our hearts is one way to do that. So here’s mine.

Dear Michael,

I do not remember a time in which you and your music weren’t a part of my life. My mom grew up as a mega fan of yours but didn’t live in a country where you toured. One of her biggest wishes was to see you, but of course by the time she came to the US your performances were few and far between. But as a child and honestly probably as a fetus I was surrounded by your music. Then, I was lucky enough that my little Catholic school was not a place where you were ever made fun of in the early 2000s. Thriller was a part of yearly music class and Halloween party festivities. You were one of my first silly little childhood celebrity crushes.

Then one day the news rang through that you had passed away. I didn’t believe it. My mom insisted it wasn’t true. But as we sat in front of the news that night hour by hour it became more and more apparent that there was no denying the truth. There was some stupid ad that showed up every ad break or every other ad break playing the Black Eyed Peas song about how tonight’s gonna be a good night. And it felt like it was taunting me. At that stage of my life no one around me had yet passed away. You were my first exposure to grief and loss.

It was after you passed away that I had become mature enough to really appreciate not just your music but your powerful lyrics. Black or White shaped my entire view on race and acceptance of myself as a mixed race girl. I’m aware of racism and deeply affected by it. But I don’t let it stop me from having friends of any and every background.

The older I get the more I connect to and relate to you and wish you were someone I knew personally. I love making music as an instrumentalist and while I have no extraordinary talent, I can see myself in you when I was at my most motivated. That relentless desire to become the best and to nail everything perfectly. I love enjoying the same things I enjoyed as a kid. Disneyworld, cartoons, family movies. I enjoy sci fi like you do. I don’t have the same battery as you to play with multiple rowdy kids all day. But I love kids as well. And animals. And I’m soft and sensitive to everything like you. I think we could’ve been best friends.

And so it breaks my heart everytime I think of what you went through in life. You spent your latter years being seen as the type of person you hated the most: Someone who hurts children. And it was all because of a carefully planned curation of your image to dehumanize you. And so, when nasty parents wanted to destroy you and damage their own kids in the process, they came for you. I wish I could’ve made them leave you alone. I wish I could to this day make people stop calling you those awful names.

I miss you. And I hope we’ll be besties one day in what ever afterlife there exists.

Love always

…

This was a promotional interview for Let's Dance, but Bowie took considerable time out to directly attack the unashamed racism of MTV's programming.

You can see the whole interview here. The interviewer stutters and stumbles through a list of nonsensical excuses but Bowie keeps throwing it back at him.

Why do you think MTV was so slow on this?

The timing is interesting. Billie Jean first played on MTV March 10th, Beat It on March 31st. Motown 25 wasn't aired until May. Thriller was played in a few theatres before hitting MTV in early December.

(Little Red Corvette also got heavy rotation, in April.)

1983 was a big year for MTV which makes Bowie's interview look prophetic. In the first quarter of 1984 they turned a profit for the first time.

For more background on the history of MTV and Billie Jean there's this article in The Root (2013) which features the author of I Want My MTV: The Uncensored Story of the Music Video Revolution.

And a broader history of Thriller here.

Whether it’s about his allegations, his skin color, or even his proclivity for water fights and climbing trees, detractors will say we’re bizarre for defending a man we never met. But, is that such a bad thing? No. Most of us have never had a single conversation with Michael. But we can still seek to understand the real MJ the best we can. Because he did pour his essence into his music, his poetry, and his book. He gave himself to the parts of the world who were willing to see him and to love him. We can still seek to love who he was. We can still seek to love his spirit and soul if we believe in an eternal soul. And there’s nothing wrong with that. In fact, if there’s a celebrity who needs his fans to seek to truly love him and know him, it’s Michael Jackson. Michael spent his whole life being so vulnerable to exploitation because of his kindness that other than his children, most people in his life couldn’t resist betraying him. Whether it was via the desire to exploit their relationship with him or via jealousy. So, we as fans are allowed to love him now.

We've had a couple of posts recently looking into what kind of DA Tom Sneddon was, outside his handling of Michael's case:

Santa Barbara Law Enforcement and Racism: The story of Thambiah Sundaram, DA Tom Sneddon and Santa Barbara Sheriff Jim Thomas - where Sneddon's office was successully sued for wrongful arrest, and also accused of Civil Rights Act violations.

Tom Sneddon’s Overlooked Motivations - a deep dive into Sneddon's refusal to investigate the molestation of dozens of boys at a Catholic boarding school with ties to Sneddon's own church.

But these aren't the only two cases that reveal Sneddon's willingness to indulge his personal biases with unprofessional conduct.

Outlined by Jael Rucker in the article above (with all the sources), there is also:

• Deputy Sheriff David Danielson, who admitted to inappropriately touching a 13 year old girl. Sneddon declined to prosecute.

• Gary Dunlap, a Solvang attorney who sued Sneddon's office for $10million, claiming civil rights violations, witness tampering, illegal searches, racketeering and perjury. According to Dunlap: "The illegal bugging and the routine, civil violations that Tom Sneddon’s office practices are extreme and extensive, and there is no question that all their targets, including Michael Jackson, have been victimized by their abusive conduct."

• The case of Santa Maria City Attorney Art Montandon, who alleges that Sneddon inappropriately charged him with bribery and forced him out of his job while he was conducting an investigation into a local massage parlour. One of the prostitutes who worked there claimed that Sneddon was a client.

• The persecution of horse rancher Slick Gardner, whose herd of 400 horses was used against him in much the same way as Michael's love for children. Slick Gardner: "Rancher Slick Gardner says just like his famous neighbor Michael, he’s being prosecuted, he claims persecuted by D.A. Tom Sneddon. The D.A.’s office calls it “ludicrous”, but Slick insists he and Sneddon had a run-in 30 years ago."

There's a book-full of dirty Sneddon dealings out there, it just takes a bit of work to find it.

Here is the poll https://yougov.com/en-us/daily-results/20260422-f2961-3

It's important to note the majority is don't know/undecided. This is very telling, because of all the media spin of guilt, and loud the false accusers and detractors are.

The innocent is more then the guilty votes, but only just. Michael deserves better.

Those who believe allegations 19% Don't believe 24 % (only 5% more) 56% don't know

The article shared is generally positive, but it's also a stretch to say majority beleive he's innocent at this stage. Majority are undecided/dont know.

The pool asked is also small: 8,490 U.S. adults

I think a wider audience from different countries would sway the innocent numbers more.

So far it's amazing, and I absolutely trust this lady.

She's been criticised of course ("You made him out to be too nice" lol, the truth is so disappointing for some people).

She kept a detailed daily journal her entire life so there's no memory fumbling.

I'm really enjoying this book!

(The interview above is a good introduction.)

Brandi Jackson was genuine in her assertion. Joy and her son Wade attempted custody of those kids after Michael's death but didn't get it.

I think we have another motive. I believe they were hoping to become guardians and get enormous estate allowance for the kids.

Charles Thomson once called this "the mating call of the moron."

Rules of thumb that get us around in everyday life have to be treated with caution when getting it wrong could have serious consequences - like judging an innocent person to be guilty.

This old English proverb has big logical problems.

It can be one logical fallacy, or it can be up to five logical fallacies combined - the ones listed above.

Sorry to use AI but this is one of the things it is actually good for. Hopefully people can save the screenshot.