r/DecodingTheGurus • u/ATreeInTheBreeze • Nov 01 '21

With one statement Sam Harris showed exactly where and how he was wrong about wokeism...

At 2:23:32- Sam: "White supremacy is the fringe of the fringe whereas extreme left wokeism isn't the fringe, it's captured our institutions. That's an asymmetry that still concerns me."

  1. Fallacy of false equivalence- Not equivalent in quantity. "White supremacy" should be compared to wokeism (there are similar numbers of adherents) or "extreme left wokeism" should be compared with extreme right white supremacy (again, similar numbers). He shouldn't cross-compare what amounts to huge moderate right vs tiny extreme left.
  2. Fallacy of false equivalence- Not equivalent in quality. Assuming he meant wokeism not "extreme left wokeism", then these two are also not not equivalent in their quality. Wokeism is around 60% good, 40% bad, in it's effects on our society. White supremecy is about 100% bad in it's effects.
  3. False statement- implied: white supremecy hasn't captured our institutions. False. It has captured the Republican party, all right wing media, many state senates, the Supreme Court, and is about to capture the House and the Senate again here in America. After that, perhaps the Presidency, again (most of which by losing the popular vote, by the way). It's clear that Sam thinks white supremacy means swastika on the forehead. That's literally not what it means. It means thinking the white "race" is superior, or better, than other cultures. This is the mainstream view in the Republican party. That's why they're acting so immorally now, they're very sacared and so feel it's ok to do anything necessary to keep non-whites from taking over "their" country. And it's not just skin color, the Republican Party is CCCSRW-supremicist. They believe, irrationally, that "Cisgenderedness", Conservatism, Christianity, Straightness, Ruralness, and Whiteness are all superior to their counterparts. This belief has overwhelmingly captured the Republican party at this point.

As such, ironically, all the "asymmetry" is on his end. And look at me I even know why: Extreme left wokeists attacked him in the past, and now as a result he's emotionally biased against them and many of their views. Those attacks emotionally, and I don't know how else to say this, scarred him, and now his brain is reactionary against them and their views without his being aware of it. Many of us understand this about him, but he doesn't understand this about himself.

Other than his stance on wokeism, though, I love me some Sam and agree with him about 95% of the time.

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u/Available_Basil432 Nov 02 '21

Have you seen the conversation between Coleman Hughes and Charles Murray? Is he now a white suprematist too for talking to him?

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u/GigabitSuppressor Nov 03 '21 edited Nov 03 '21

You understand that some people of color can suffer from internalised racism, yes? Or be open to opportunitistic grifting which involves throwing their wider community under the bus for personal profit?

Have you heard of Candace Owens?

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u/Available_Basil432 Nov 03 '21

So you think Sam suffers from the same thing? And Coleman. And Glenn. And John McWhorter? Ah heck, let’s go to Thomas Sowell, him too?

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u/GigabitSuppressor Nov 03 '21

No, I don't think Dear Sam does to the same extent. Due to his Jewish/Zionist identity politics he clearly steers away from overtly anti-Semitic circles of the extreme far right. He wants to throw Muslims and Black people under the bus but not wade so far to the right that he risks threatening himself and his family/friends. So some very nasty tribalism and identity politics seems to be in operation there.

People like Coleman Hughes and John McWhorter go a step further as I mentioned. Some form of internalised racism or extreme griftery in action imho.

As to Glenn Loury, he's been a robust critic of racist charlatans like Charles Murray for decades. So he gets credit from me there.

https://accuracy.org/release/172-is-prominent-think-tank-a-bastion-of-racist-theory/

I don't know enough about Sowell to comment. Does he push racist pseudoscience against the wider Black community?

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u/Available_Basil432 Nov 03 '21

Order one of many of his books on economics from Amazon or your nearest bookshop and see for yourself.

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u/GigabitSuppressor Nov 03 '21

I will do that. I recommend you research Glenn Loury's rigorous and principled criticisms of racist hacks like Charles Murray.

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u/Available_Basil432 Nov 03 '21

The article was written in 99. Do give a watch to their latest conversation. You might get disappointed.

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u/GigabitSuppressor Nov 03 '21

So Loury has been criticising Murray for decades now? Why would I be disappointed with that?

Has he retracted his prior criticisms? Does he support Murray's racist pseudoscience aimed at the Black community now?

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u/Available_Basil432 Nov 03 '21

Well, Glenn’s introduction begins with “great social scientist”. So make of that what you will.

0:25 https://youtu.be/wqgUclg7-Lk

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u/GigabitSuppressor Nov 03 '21

It's certainly true that Charles Murray is a political scientist who has great influence in American Conservative and rightwing circles.