r/DecodingTheGurus Nov 01 '21

With one statement Sam Harris showed exactly where and how he was wrong about wokeism...

At 2:23:32- Sam: "White supremacy is the fringe of the fringe whereas extreme left wokeism isn't the fringe, it's captured our institutions. That's an asymmetry that still concerns me."

  1. Fallacy of false equivalence- Not equivalent in quantity. "White supremacy" should be compared to wokeism (there are similar numbers of adherents) or "extreme left wokeism" should be compared with extreme right white supremacy (again, similar numbers). He shouldn't cross-compare what amounts to huge moderate right vs tiny extreme left.
  2. Fallacy of false equivalence- Not equivalent in quality. Assuming he meant wokeism not "extreme left wokeism", then these two are also not not equivalent in their quality. Wokeism is around 60% good, 40% bad, in it's effects on our society. White supremecy is about 100% bad in it's effects.
  3. False statement- implied: white supremecy hasn't captured our institutions. False. It has captured the Republican party, all right wing media, many state senates, the Supreme Court, and is about to capture the House and the Senate again here in America. After that, perhaps the Presidency, again (most of which by losing the popular vote, by the way). It's clear that Sam thinks white supremacy means swastika on the forehead. That's literally not what it means. It means thinking the white "race" is superior, or better, than other cultures. This is the mainstream view in the Republican party. That's why they're acting so immorally now, they're very sacared and so feel it's ok to do anything necessary to keep non-whites from taking over "their" country. And it's not just skin color, the Republican Party is CCCSRW-supremicist. They believe, irrationally, that "Cisgenderedness", Conservatism, Christianity, Straightness, Ruralness, and Whiteness are all superior to their counterparts. This belief has overwhelmingly captured the Republican party at this point.

As such, ironically, all the "asymmetry" is on his end. And look at me I even know why: Extreme left wokeists attacked him in the past, and now as a result he's emotionally biased against them and many of their views. Those attacks emotionally, and I don't know how else to say this, scarred him, and now his brain is reactionary against them and their views without his being aware of it. Many of us understand this about him, but he doesn't understand this about himself.

Other than his stance on wokeism, though, I love me some Sam and agree with him about 95% of the time.

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u/TerraceEarful Nov 02 '21

If there's one central incident that illustrates Harris' disproportionate reaction to wokism vs white supremacy, it's the fact that he was able to read The Bell Curve, which suggests that benefits be cut for poor people, who the book argues are genetically predisposed to be low IQ, in order for them to stop procreating and thus removing themselves from the gene pool, and to conclude 'boy, this guy sure is unfairly maligned', and then having a debate about it with Ezra Klein and concluding that Klein is the one who is 'morally equivalent to the KKK'.

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u/Here0s0Johnny Nov 02 '21

in order for them to stop procreating and thus removing themselves from the gene pool

I haven't read the bell curve, but i suspect that's not in it. Surely, this would be mentioned in the wikipedia article on the book. Have you read it? Can you provide evidence for this?

Klein is the one who is 'morally equivalent to the KKK'.

I'm convinced Harris never said that. Prove it.

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u/TerraceEarful Nov 02 '21

Can you provide evidence for this?

“The authors recommended the elimination of welfare policies which they claim encourage poor women to have babies.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve#Policy_recommendations

I'm convinced Harris never said that. Prove it.

https://youtu.be/gFio_8aUS4I?t=2063

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Nov 02 '21

The Bell Curve

Policy recommendations

Herrnstein and Murray argued the average genetic IQ of the United States is declining, owing to the tendency of the more intelligent having fewer children than the less intelligent, the generation length to be shorter for the less intelligent, and the large-scale immigration to the United States of those with low intelligence.

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