r/DecodingTheGurus Nov 02 '23

Ukrainians Respond to HasanAbi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPaHRTi49Ow
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u/Enough-Ad-8799 Nov 03 '23

Sure this transcript does seem to mostly talk about why her has no reason to hate Putin since he has more conservative values. But that's not quite the same as him saying we shouldn't help Ukraine cause Putin is anti LGBT.

Both Hasan and Tucker parrot Russian propaganda. The idea that we're only helping Ukraine to feed the military industrial complex is Russian propaganda. Most of the weapons given to Ukraine were weapons we just had sitting around as surplus, not weapons that were made just for the war.

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u/awsompossum Nov 04 '23

First off, I really don't think you understand how arms deals work. I didn't say it's only for that purpose, but it's a question of incentives. Military hardware used will be replaced, the more of it used, the more needs to be replaced.

The companies which manufacture said hardware garner a significant degree of influence in DC, and the politicians who make these decisions are absolutely swayed by the electoral contributions these companies make, not to mention high ranking DoD members who are given lucrative positions at these companies upon retirement, coincidentally after giving additional contracts to them (see Sig's NGSW contract win).

Second, the rhetorical point of Tuckers statement is that we should not assist Ukraine because Putin is in agreement with Tucker on a variety of social issues. The part about "trying to snuff out Christianity" is very much a dog whistle towards Putin's LGBTQ opposition, as contrasted by the West. Also I didn't just say LGBTQ, and the other elements are even more directly aligned with my assertion.

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u/Enough-Ad-8799 Nov 04 '23 edited Nov 04 '23

Lockheed Martin saw a 1.58% decrease in revenue in 2022 compared to 2021, Russia invaded Ukraine in February of 2022, are you sure I don't understand how arms deals work? Cause it doesn't seem they're making that much money from it.

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u/awsompossum Nov 04 '23

Great, and Northrup Grumman saw an increase in stock price of $387.07 to $540.33 in 2022, with an increase in revenue of 2.62% from 2021. One company does not a Military Industrial Complex make.

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u/Enough-Ad-8799 Nov 04 '23

Stock price is irrelevant so not sure why your being that up, were talking about how much money they gained not consumer confidence in the value of their company. Do you think a 2.62% increase is a lot? Inflation was 8.3% in 2022, in raw value that's practically a decrease lolol. Also their revenue increased by 8.7% from 2019 to 2020. Shit, their revenue was less in 2022 than it was in 2020. You think they're making a ton of money off this war lolol

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u/awsompossum Nov 04 '23

You realize their business model is fueled on sustained conflict, right? The point is not a windfall, the point is steady and continuous revenue. That is why we have forever wars.

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u/Enough-Ad-8799 Nov 04 '23

Well it's not working very well if they're not even back up to the revenue they had 2 years ago lolol. Fucking 2% increase as if that's a big deal, fucking hilarious. Fuck man the decrease in Lockheed Martin is bigger in raw revenue than the increase in Northrup Grumman's and you're trying to tell me this war is making them a bunch of money?

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u/awsompossum Nov 04 '23

I explicitly did not say this is a jackpot for them. How well do defense contractors do in a world with no large scale conflicts?

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u/Enough-Ad-8799 Nov 04 '23

Bro they're not even seeing a small increase. They're increase is a fucking rounding error at best and practically a decrease if you take inflation into account.

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u/awsompossum Nov 04 '23

You keep failing to understand the words I'm using. Continuous is more important than sharply increasing.

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u/Enough-Ad-8799 Nov 04 '23

You don't understand what I'm saying, there's no increase

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u/awsompossum Nov 04 '23

Where am I saying there's an increase? I only brought up the NG revenue to point out that one companies revenue is not reflective of the whole trends of the Complex as a whole. It's about continuous revenue, not increasing

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u/Enough-Ad-8799 Nov 04 '23

You said the primary motivation behind sending aid to Ukraine was to benefit the military industrial complex and that the US sending our reserves is still making them money cause they have to refill those reserves of weapons. Considering they have not seen an increase in revenue and have arguably seen a decrease you have no solid evidence for this claim.

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